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Re: The tails of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2014, 08:13:17 AM »
Tails? Like a tuxedo?

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Re: The tails of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2014, 08:19:29 AM »
Holy eff I fanning'd that so hard.
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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2014, 08:29:54 AM »
another round of applause for Kansas everyone. securing their spot as the punchline of the worlds jokes for another year!

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2014, 08:44:41 AM »
What do you even say at this juncture?






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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2014, 09:05:06 AM »
he doesn't come out and say it but I just get the vibe that Steve Dave doesn't like this man or his religious affiliation

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2014, 09:27:23 AM »
This seems like a bad idea.

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2014, 09:39:28 AM »
I mentioned this on twitter, but the icing on this Kansas cake for me is when my rep(willie dove) says that he is backing the bill because limiting the rights of the religious by not letting them deny service to certain citizens of the state is reminiscent of racial discrimination.  Willie Dove is black.   I mean, what!?!?!?!?!?

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2014, 09:41:57 AM »
I mentioned this on twitter, but the icing on this Kansas cake for me is when my rep(willie dove) says that he is backing the bill because limiting the rights of the religious by not letting them deny service to certain citizens of the state is reminiscent of racial discrimination.  Willie Dove is black.   I mean, what!?!?!?!?!?

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2014, 09:53:21 AM »
They really, really, really hate gay people.  Glad they are devoting time to this pressing topic that threatens the livelihood of the state's residents

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2014, 10:12:01 AM »
would be great if some homosexual folks just took over the gov offices and refused to serve straight people.

“It has do with marriage,” Brunk said. He said that the bill protects individuals from being forced to do something “that celebrates or solemnizes in some way a marriage, whether it’s a homosexual marriage or a heterosexual marriage.”

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2014/02/06/3271717_house-committee-approves-religious.html#storylink=cpy

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2014, 10:25:13 AM »
"Need your DL renewed?  Sorry, I think you are gay and I think that being gay is a sin."



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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2014, 01:50:44 PM »
another round of applause for Kansas everyone. securing their spot as the punchline of the worlds jokes for another year!

There's still a chance oklahoma will ban all marriages in an attempt to stop gay marriage, but I don't think it will pass.  :frown:
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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2014, 02:15:13 PM »
Under no circumstance should a state/local/utility/common carrier employee be allowed to deny anyone any service they provide. 

Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.


Of course when the conversation is going the other way, the libtards have no problems legislating their bigotry and imposing their will on people, so who are they to criticize.
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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2014, 02:18:09 PM »
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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2014, 02:20:43 PM »
Under no circumstance should a state/local/utility/common carrier employee be allowed to deny anyone any service they provide. 

Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.




This.

The example in the KC Star article about the wedding photog being able to refuse to do a same sex marriage job is something that shouldn't be legislated.  The sickening part is the law including public employees.  It does say that the service is not able to be denied, but that the employee can personally not be the one to supply the service without repercussion, which is bullshit.  If your religious views prevent you from doing your job, it shouldn't be your job anymore.  It shouldn't be the employer having to make that decision either.  If you are righteous enough to object to performing your known duties due to beliefs, you should have the strength of character to step away from a job that would require such breaches of beliefs.

Seems only the religious get to have their cake and eat it too. 

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2014, 02:28:30 PM »
Here is the bill itself.

http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2453_00_0000.pdf

And the most important part:

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Section 1.?Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no individual
or religious entity shall be required by any governmental entity to do any
of the following, if it would be contrary to the sincerely held religious
beliefs of the individual or religious entity regarding sex or gender:
(a)?Provide any services, accommodations, advantages, facilities,
goods, or privileges; provide counseling, adoption, foster care and other
social services; or provide employment or employment benefits, related to,
or related to the celebration of, any marriage, domestic partnership, civil
union or similar arrangement;

The bolded is especially problematic
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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2014, 02:30:59 PM »
Some court will eff this bill up though, right?

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2014, 02:33:02 PM »
holy crap, what a bunch of dickheads

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2014, 02:53:06 PM »
Briefly skimmed, will probably read later. I understand the thought process behind it, but it is just being handled in such a laughable and kansas-y way.  They want to give religious judges the right to refuse to be the one to marry a homosexual couple, but by including all government employees it's just going to create a huge clusterfuck when some bigot refuses to allow a homosexual couple to adopt a child.

It's just sad how mumped up our state government is

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2014, 08:52:16 PM »
Under no circumstance should a private citizen be required to provide service to any person they don't want to. If that's their decision they can be PI'd out of business.


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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2014, 08:59:54 PM »
Just so we are clear.  Brunk is also proposing a bill to require municipalities to inform their populations that "the latest science" confirms that fluoride in their water will lower their kid's IQ.

You guessed it.  Wichita.

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2014, 09:02:09 PM »
Just so we are clear.  Brunk is also proposing a bill to require municipalities to inform their populations that "the latest science" confirms that fluoride in their water will lower their kid's IQ.

You guessed it.  Wichita.

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2014, 11:21:20 PM »
It was also raging in Portland, OR, until last year.

How was it resolved?

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Re: The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2014, 11:31:01 PM »
Not sure, for whatever reason Calif and Oregon are opposed to it.  But you only hear about it when "crazy right wingers" vote it down.

Probably has something to do with the fact most tap water is used for showers, laundry and lawn, and not drinking

 http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/nohss/FluoridationV.asp
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