people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff

[Belvis Noland]

Should different schools give different stipends based upon cost of living? I'm just not sure. Requiring every school to just provide student housing to all scholarship athletes with a meal plan just makes more sense to me. That way all expenses are paid for, and no school gets the advantages/disadvantages that would come with a standard across-the-board stipend.

This already happens with the money that they are allowed for housing.   Once a student athlete moves out of the dorms then they just get a monthly check to cover housing.  That check isn't going to be the same at USC as it is at K-State.  So most of these kids are already getting monthly checks as it is.  Just beef them up a little bit so they don't have to hardly scrape by.   The thing needs to understand about this is they are already getting checks it's not something new and most of the issues you are bringing up have already been addressed.   

Most athletes complain about not having any money.  books/tuition/housing are all fantastic benefits.  Nobody disputes this.  But none of these benefits put cash in the bank.  Again, plenty of students get the same benefits the athletes get (minus the athletic gear and maybe healthcare).  The difference is that if a student wants to work on the side to put money in the bank, the student is permitted to do so.  You can't take a girl on a date using your free books and school supplies.  you need cash and, if you don't have cash, you need parents or a job.   

[Dr Rick Daris]

Should different schools give different stipends based upon cost of living? I'm just not sure. Requiring every school to just provide student housing to all scholarship athletes with a meal plan just makes more sense to me. That way all expenses are paid for, and no school gets the advantages/disadvantages that would come with a standard across-the-board stipend.

This already happens with the money that they are allowed for housing.   Once a student athlete moves out of the dorms then they just get a monthly check to cover housing.  That check isn't going to be the same at USC as it is at K-State.  So most of these kids are already getting monthly checks as it is.  Just beef them up a little bit so they don't have to hardly scrape by.   The thing needs to understand about this is they are already getting checks it's not something new and most of the issues you are bringing up have already been addressed.   

Most athletes complain about not having any money.  books/tuition/housing are all fantastic benefits.  Nobody disputes this.  But none of these benefits put cash in the bank.  Again, plenty of students get the same benefits the athletes get (minus the athletic gear and maybe healthcare).  The difference is that if a student wants to work on the side to put money in the bank, the student is permitted to do so.  You can't take a girl on a date using your free books and school supplies.  you need cash and, if you don't have cash, you need parents or a job.   

or pell grants or student loans

[Belvis Noland]

They get plenty as it is.  I had to work and get loans to go to school, being a stud athlete on scholly would have been so much easier.

You could have gotten great grades in highschool.  And if you'd done this, you would have had a full ride + books and tuition to a state school like K-State.  If you had to take out loans, it's because the academic institution didn't value your academic skills.  no offense intended.  Students are recruited to schools in much the same way athletes are. 

My friend's sister is in a graduate biology program at the University of Indiana.  She gets her tuition/books/housing all provided.  Oh yeah, and she also makes over 50K a year as a graduate assistant (according to my friend). 

[Belvis Noland]

Should different schools give different stipends based upon cost of living? I'm just not sure. Requiring every school to just provide student housing to all scholarship athletes with a meal plan just makes more sense to me. That way all expenses are paid for, and no school gets the advantages/disadvantages that would come with a standard across-the-board stipend.

This already happens with the money that they are allowed for housing.   Once a student athlete moves out of the dorms then they just get a monthly check to cover housing.  That check isn't going to be the same at USC as it is at K-State.  So most of these kids are already getting monthly checks as it is.  Just beef them up a little bit so they don't have to hardly scrape by.   The thing needs to understand about this is they are already getting checks it's not something new and most of the issues you are bringing up have already been addressed.   

Most athletes complain about not having any money.  books/tuition/housing are all fantastic benefits.  Nobody disputes this.  But none of these benefits put cash in the bank.  Again, plenty of students get the same benefits the athletes get (minus the athletic gear and maybe healthcare).  The difference is that if a student wants to work on the side to put money in the bank, the student is permitted to do so.  You can't take a girl on a date using your free books and school supplies.  you need cash and, if you don't have cash, you need parents or a job.   

or pell grants or student loans

You're right.  but, of course, you don't need to take out a loan when you have a job.  so, the question is whether their athletic services are a job.  I was a houseboy.  I had friends who worked in aggieville.  so we could have extra cash.  we didn't need to take out interest bearing loans for our drinking money.  Neither should these athletes who, through their labor, generate millions of dollars in revenue to pay university coaches and administrators.   

[hatingfrancisco]

I personally would love to see an approach in College like that of free agency.  Let the free market work everything out.

Like no rules?

Yeah,  mainly just see what that would be like.  Personally I think it would probably work out a lot better than the current situation does.  At least everything would be out in the open.   

Bottom line is that being a student athlete is a very time consuming full time job.  They should be properly compensated for what the market dictates.   

[eastcat]

They get plenty as it is.  I had to work and get loans to go to school, being a stud athlete on scholly would have been so much easier.

You could have gotten great grades in highschool.  And if you'd done this, you would have had a full ride + books and tuition to a state school like K-State.  If you had to take out loans, it's because the academic institution didn't value your academic skills.  no offense intended.  Students are recruited to schools in much the same way athletes are. 

My friend's sister is in a graduate biology program at the University of Indiana.  She gets her tuition/books/housing all provided.  Oh yeah, and she also makes over 50K a year as a graduate assistant (according to my friend).

You sound like you graduated in 1980. This crap isn't that cheap or easy anymore. I work 20 hours a week and will spend the better part of the semester just paying off my books ($1,700)

[Belvis Noland]

They get plenty as it is.  I had to work and get loans to go to school, being a stud athlete on scholly would have been so much easier.

You could have gotten great grades in highschool.  And if you'd done this, you would have had a full ride + books and tuition to a state school like K-State.  If you had to take out loans, it's because the academic institution didn't value your academic skills.  no offense intended.  Students are recruited to schools in much the same way athletes are. 

My friend's sister is in a graduate biology program at the University of Indiana.  She gets her tuition/books/housing all provided.  Oh yeah, and she also makes over 50K a year as a graduate assistant (according to my friend).

You sound like you graduated in 1980. This crap isn't that cheap or easy anymore. I work 20 hours a week and will spend the better part of the semester just paying off my books ($1,700)

For one, I graduated in the 2000s.  Secondly, I didn't say it was cheap or easy.  I didn't get a full ride either.  But, it's also incredibly hard to be a DI football player at a BCS school.  Only the absolute best of the best, cream of the crop, are good enough to get the benefits that come along with a BCS football scholarship.  Same is true for students.  It ain't easy, but there are at least 85 students at KSU (same as football scholarship limit) who are getting full rides to KSU (books, tuition, housing).  Your same logic applies to these stud academics.   With all of their benefits, "they get plenty as it is."  right?  why should they be able to earn some spending money?  just take out a loan.  sounds pretty Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) when you think about it like that, doesn't it? 

[illBisonYourdele]

They get plenty as it is.  I had to work and get loans to go to school, being a stud athlete on scholly would have been so much easier.

You could have gotten great grades in highschool.  And if you'd done this, you would have had a full ride + books and tuition to a state school like K-State.  If you had to take out loans, it's because the academic institution didn't value your academic skills.  no offense intended.  Students are recruited to schools in much the same way athletes are. 

My friend's sister is in a graduate biology program at the University of Indiana.  She gets her tuition/books/housing all provided.  Oh yeah, and she also makes over 50K a year as a graduate assistant (according to my friend).

You sound like you graduated in 1980. This crap isn't that cheap or easy anymore. I work 20 hours a week and will spend the better part of the semester just paying off my books ($1,700)

one semester my book was too expensive to justify funneling booze money towards it...so i did homework in the bookstore

problem solved

[TownieCat]

How many players at K-State are really worth getting paid in addition to what their scholarship covers...10? 20?

[ChiComCat]

I rarely bought books and rarely needed them.  Worst case would borrow from someone in the class and buy them a few brews.  I'm sure it depends on the major but $1,700 

[illBisonYourdele]

I rarely bought books and rarely needed them.  Worst case would borrow from someone in the class and buy them a few brews.  I'm sure it depends on the major but $1,700 

exactly.  if you pay full price for books...you are doing it wrong

[kostakio]

How many players at K-State are really worth getting paid in addition to what their scholarship covers...10? 20?

The thing is they are already spending crazy amount of money on these kis.  So the argument isn't really are they worth the money?  It's obvious that they are worth the money to the schools because the schools are spending huge sums of money on faclities, coaches, recruiting expenses etc to attract the kids and keep them happy once they get there.  The question isn't really about the money it's more about how it is allocated and how much do you let them decide how to spend vs. spending it for them.     

[Dr Rick Daris]

Should different schools give different stipends based upon cost of living? I'm just not sure. Requiring every school to just provide student housing to all scholarship athletes with a meal plan just makes more sense to me. That way all expenses are paid for, and no school gets the advantages/disadvantages that would come with a standard across-the-board stipend.

This already happens with the money that they are allowed for housing.   Once a student athlete moves out of the dorms then they just get a monthly check to cover housing.  That check isn't going to be the same at USC as it is at K-State.  So most of these kids are already getting monthly checks as it is.  Just beef them up a little bit so they don't have to hardly scrape by.   The thing needs to understand about this is they are already getting checks it's not something new and most of the issues you are bringing up have already been addressed.   

Most athletes complain about not having any money.  books/tuition/housing are all fantastic benefits.  Nobody disputes this.  But none of these benefits put cash in the bank.  Again, plenty of students get the same benefits the athletes get (minus the athletic gear and maybe healthcare).  The difference is that if a student wants to work on the side to put money in the bank, the student is permitted to do so.  You can't take a girl on a date using your free books and school supplies.  you need cash and, if you don't have cash, you need parents or a job.   

or pell grants or student loans

You're right.  but, of course, you don't need to take out a loan when you have a job.  so, the question is whether their athletic services are a job.  I was a houseboy.  I had friends who worked in aggieville.  so we could have extra cash.  we didn't need to take out interest bearing loans for our drinking money.  Neither should these athletes who, through their labor, generate millions of dollars in revenue to pay university coaches and administrators.   

it would be very, very, very challenging to make enough money from work to cover the cost of tuition, books and living expenses while still being a fulltime student. lord knows a freaking houseboy salary would not cut it.

[Belvis Noland]

You're right.  but, of course, you don't need to take out a loan when you have a job.  so, the question is whether their athletic services are a job.  I was a houseboy.  I had friends who worked in aggieville.  so we could have extra cash.  we didn't need to take out interest bearing loans for our drinking money.  Neither should these athletes who, through their labor, generate millions of dollars in revenue to pay university coaches and administrators.   

it would be very, very, very challenging to make enough money from work to cover the cost of tuition, books and living expenses while still being a fulltime student. lord knows a freaking houseboy salary would not cut it.

I'm not talking about books, tuition, and living expenses.  I'm talking about extra cash (i.e. drinking money).  The stud athletes and stud academics are all benefitting from free tuition/books/housing.  no athletes are complaing about that.  the issue is whether they should get extra money on the side.  You're saying that if they want that "extra money" they should apply for a pell grant. 

[illBisonYourdele]

You're right.  but, of course, you don't need to take out a loan when you have a job.  so, the question is whether their athletic services are a job.  I was a houseboy.  I had friends who worked in aggieville.  so we could have extra cash.  we didn't need to take out interest bearing loans for our drinking money.  Neither should these athletes who, through their labor, generate millions of dollars in revenue to pay university coaches and administrators.   

it would be very, very, very challenging to make enough money from work to cover the cost of tuition, books and living expenses while still being a fulltime student. lord knows a freaking houseboy salary would not cut it.

I'm not talking about books, tuition, and living expenses.  I'm talking about extra cash (i.e. drinking money).  The stud athletes and stud academics are all benefitting from free tuition/books/housing.  no athletes are complaing about that.  the issue is whether they should get extra money on the side.  You're saying that if they want that "extra money" they should apply for a pell grant donate plasma.

[Cire]

if they are going to pay, do they still get scholly's?

[TownieCat]

You're right.  but, of course, you don't need to take out a loan when you have a job.  so, the question is whether their athletic services are a job.  I was a houseboy.  I had friends who worked in aggieville.  so we could have extra cash.  we didn't need to take out interest bearing loans for our drinking money.  Neither should these athletes who, through their labor, generate millions of dollars in revenue to pay university coaches and administrators.   

it would be very, very, very challenging to make enough money from work to cover the cost of tuition, books and living expenses while still being a fulltime student. lord knows a freaking houseboy salary would not cut it.

I'm not talking about books, tuition, and living expenses.  I'm talking about extra cash (i.e. drinking money).  The stud athletes and stud academics are all benefitting from free tuition/books/housing.  no athletes are complaing about that.  the issue is whether they should get extra money on the side.  You're saying that if they want that "extra money" they should apply for a pell grant.

Yes. If that money is available then they should apply for it.

[Dr Rick Daris]

You're right.  but, of course, you don't need to take out a loan when you have a job.  so, the question is whether their athletic services are a job.  I was a houseboy.  I had friends who worked in aggieville.  so we could have extra cash.  we didn't need to take out interest bearing loans for our drinking money.  Neither should these athletes who, through their labor, generate millions of dollars in revenue to pay university coaches and administrators.   

it would be very, very, very challenging to make enough money from work to cover the cost of tuition, books and living expenses while still being a fulltime student. lord knows a freaking houseboy salary would not cut it.

I'm not talking about books, tuition, and living expenses.  I'm talking about extra cash (i.e. drinking money).  The stud athletes and stud academics are all benefitting from free tuition/books/housing.  no athletes are complaing about that.  the issue is whether they should get extra money on the side.  You're saying that if they want that "extra money" they should apply for a pell grant.

you said if someone had a job they wouldn't need a loan and i said that was stupid because it was. also, i absolutely do think that if a student athlete needs money, the financial aid office is the first place they should go. but i'm also hoping the athletic dept has already helped them out here and that financial aid is discussed before they even end up on campus. i also think they should get something a little more than what they currently get. the point is that for athletes who truly do not get help from family, there are ways for them to get money. pell grants would be available and you can get around 5k/year in them. that's more than $400/month, more than houseboy money, not a loan and can be used houwever the student wants to use it.

[kostakio]

You're right.  but, of course, you don't need to take out a loan when you have a job.  so, the question is whether their athletic services are a job.  I was a houseboy.  I had friends who worked in aggieville.  so we could have extra cash.  we didn't need to take out interest bearing loans for our drinking money.  Neither should these athletes who, through their labor, generate millions of dollars in revenue to pay university coaches and administrators.   

it would be very, very, very challenging to make enough money from work to cover the cost of tuition, books and living expenses while still being a fulltime student. lord knows a freaking houseboy salary would not cut it.

I'm not talking about books, tuition, and living expenses.  I'm talking about extra cash (i.e. drinking money).  The stud athletes and stud academics are all benefitting from free tuition/books/housing.  no athletes are complaing about that.  the issue is whether they should get extra money on the side.  You're saying that if they want that "extra money" they should apply for a pell grant.

Yes. If that money is available then they should apply for it.

It is available to some and they do apply for it and receive it. 

[MakeItRain]

i get angry when people include cell phone plans in their list of monthly expenses.  buy an ipod touch and use wifi.  get a rough ridin' flip phone from quicktrip and stop spending $100/month

should the athletic department just provide everyone with a phone? big group plan?

QT provides free cell phones and call plans

[Belvis Noland]

I concede that a student athlete can obtain funds from other sources.  So, their argument that they are broke is not entirely legitimate. 

At the same time, nobody in this thread has answered the underlying question:  Are athletic services "employment?"  Along the same lines, how are student A (compensated graduate assistant) and student B (uncompensated student athlete) any different?  fundamentally, why are they treated any differently?  both are students, both are getting benefits, but one student is paid by the university for their services whereas the other student is told to eff off.   

[MakeItRain]

They get plenty as it is.  I had to work and get loans to go to school, being a stud athlete on scholly would have been so much easier.

Its so funny that mediocre ass students who provided jack crap to their school think student athletes should be held to the same standard. You were a C machine who ate up university resources.

[Dr Rick Daris]

They get plenty as it is.  I had to work and get loans to go to school, being a stud athlete on scholly would have been so much easier.

Its so funny that mediocre ass students who provided jack crap to their school think student athletes should be held to the same standard. You were a C machine who ate up university resources.

while his whole post is wrong, you can't just assume he was a mediocre student or c maching that ate up university resources just because he took out loans and worked to be able to go to college.

[Belvis Noland]

while his whole post is wrong, you can't just assume he was a mediocre student or c maching that ate up university resources just because he took out loans and worked to be able to go to college.

true, but you can certainly assume that he was not an elite student athlete with his choice of academic institutions.  He's not like the football players on scholarship at a BCS school.   

[Dr Rick Daris]

while his whole post is wrong, you can't just assume he was a mediocre student or c maching that ate up university resources just because he took out loans and worked to be able to go to college.

true, but you can certainly assume that he was not an elite student athlete with his choice of academic institutions.  He's not like the football players on scholarship at a BCS school.   

well yeah. you can certainly assume that because he freaking already said he wasn't. it's like i don't even know what in the world you guys are talking about right now. i mean what's the freaking point?