Basketball, a shirt tuck manifesto.

[michigancat]

Frank was precisely as great as everyone made him out to be

He was a good coach.  Worse than Huggins, no better or worse than Kruger.

precisely

[catzacker]

Frank was precisely as great as everyone made him out to be

He was a good coach.  Worse than Huggins, no better or worse than Kruger.  <-- I feel like people make him out to be more than this.

you've pedaled this out there quite a few times.  so was dana a better coach at ksu than martin?  while a coach at KSU, martin > huggs.  i'd argue that martin was > kruger based on where each finished in the league (as a % of # of teams in the league).

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

If we could take any of them to be our coach now, I'd pick in this order: Huggins, Kruger, Martin, Altman.  I don't have an absolute rebuttal for anyone who picks Martin over Kruger, but I happen to feel more comfortable with Kruger's demonstrated ability to win over a longer period of time.

Huggins is just a HOF coach.  No shame that the other guys don't measure up.  And if we're just talking about what Huggins did in his one year at KSU, I still put him on top of that list.  He absolutely rebuilt the place from scratch, bringing in top recruits and winning with what we already had here.  I have little doubt we would've done better in Beasley's year if Huggins was coach.  And at least equally as well as Martin did thereafter.  But, hey, I can't prove that, so...

[CNS]

Huggins, Martin, WGAF. 

[chum1]

Weber could turn out to be better than Martin.  He's off to a good start.

[AndrewVonLintel]

The sad thing about this tale is that we broke in 3 coaches that all made the NCAA tournament and let them all get away.

We have a tendency to take a CHANCE  on an unproven coach and then let them get away when they are just starting to get settled into coaching.

Altman had a year at Marshall before he started coaching here?
Frank Martin was a really good High School basketball coach.
Kruger didn't have much of a track record either. He was 20-8 with texas pan american in 1987.

Frank still has a chance to prove himself better than Lon and Altman if he improve his recruiting and or coaching (Kruger and Altman did that in my opinion).

[kslim]

I wasn't happy that Frank Martin left, though I don't think he was as great as some folks make him out to be.  I also don't hate the oscar Weber hire.

Not sure where to call home.

The football board from the sounds of it.  woof.

nope we don't want him either

[kso_FAN]

Altman should not be in the conversation of being a "good" coach at K-State. Later yes, but his K-State record speaks for itself even with a tournament appearance and nit run.

[KITNfury]

I think pretty much any white person that uses African-American instead of Black is probably racist.

[my troll name ... Koppe22]

I think pretty much any white person that uses African-American instead of Black is probably racist.

crap

[wazucat]

Frank was precisely as great as everyone made him out to be

He was a good coach.  Worse than Huggins, no better or worse than Kruger.  <-- I feel like people make him out to be more than this.

Frank brought much more to K-State than being a successful coach.  We were nationally relevant to the media not solely due to him but largely due to his personality, antics, quotability.  Choice TV slots, talking heads discussion etc have vanished with oscar's arrival.  No rough ridin' way Frank lets his team lose to rough ridin' Lasalle in the first round either.

[MakeItRain]

I think pretty much any white person that uses African-American instead of Black is probably racist.

I lol a lot at white people who think the word black is racist. Nothing is more hilariously awkward than someone trying to describe someone who is black to me and are paralyzed by the word black.