big play waters

[bucket]

Fwiw, I think waters is probably a pretty neat guy in real life

But here's the deal, he reminds me of no other snyder qb, and, that is problematic as snyder is still our coach and that means the qb does not fit our scheme

Can't milk the clock to make up for defensive inefficiencies,  can't extend the play with his legs, can't wil a team to victory, can't can't can't...

But he can loft a ball in the air so the fastest guy on the field can bail him out, I'll give him that

Ever heard of Chad May?

Ok, 1 qb who wasn't that good but was the best ksu had since probably dickey so he was deemed really really good

How bout beasley, bishop, roberson, klein

You said you couldn't think of one. I was just helping you out.

[kslim]

Honestly water played well today he really did, but he mumped up his fair share as well

This one is on coaching, specifically defense

He didn't play well, he had a few nice completions to Lockett and that was it, that doesn't constitute a good game.  If you think he played well, then you're an idiot.  We need a QB who controls the clock and scores TDs, nearly all of our scores with Waters are on big plays.

i guess you missed the part where I said he had eff ups. Btw "well" is not good or great it's "well"

[yoga-like_abana]

those long bombs were a lot of fun.. and quite shocking considering our run game
great thread irl friend stunted

[AST]

Lol comparing waters to may, who was a 56% career passer with a 28-22 td to int ratio lmfbo

You just made my point

[kim carnes]

nearly all of our scores with Waters are on big plays.

Should he tell Lockett to just fall down 10 yards after he bails him out?

he can't string together a long TD drive, that is a rough ridin' problem

[kso_FAN]

nearly all of our scores with Waters are on big plays.

Should he tell Lockett to just fall down 10 yards after he bails him out?

he can't string together a long TD drive, that is a rough ridin' problem

Well, I can agree with that, but that's a lot different than bomb TD passes. No doubt the inability of Waters led offense to sustain drives with any regularity is a problem.

[bucket]

Waters can't score on long drives. Sams moves the chains, but when it's third and long he's mumped.

[kslim]

Waters can't score on long drives. Sams moves the chains, but when it's third and long he's mumped.

yep just flies threw the air five yds for a first

[michigancat]

How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?

[wetwillie]

How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?

8

[Katpappy]

How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?

8

not today.

[bucket]

How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?

8

Out of how many possessions? I take statistical analysis very seriously.

[eastcat]

Too much sideline control over the offense. The check down run out the clock checks are bullshit.

[Stevesie60]

I like when we use the #Lifewaters duo well, but that almost seems to have been lightening in a bottle. Sams should get all snaps within either 20 yard line. When we had it on our own 3 yard line today and trotted Waters out there, I knew it'd be a 3 and out. No doubt in my mind. After the first half, I honestly wouldn't have been too upset with Waters coming back in once Sams got it past the 20 yard line, especially if it meant we'd bring Sams back in once we got inside OU's 20 yard line. But who knows, these are just a dinkmentia-less man's thoughts.

[Rage Against the McKee]

How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?

8

How many of those has he converted?

[Rage Against the McKee]

I like when we use the #Lifewaters duo well, but that almost seems to have been lightening in a bottle. Sams should get all snaps within either 20 yard line. When we had it on our own 3 yard line today and trotted Waters out there, I knew it'd be a 3 and out. No doubt in my mind. After the first half, I honestly wouldn't have been too upset with Waters coming back in once Sams got it past the 20 yard line, especially if it meant we'd bring Sams back in once we got inside OU's 20 yard line. But who knows, these are just a dinkmentia-less man's thoughts.

Remember when Sams was playing well vs OSU and we put Waters in inside the 5 yard line? That worked out great. There really is no logical rhyme or reason to the way Bill uses his QBs this year.

[wetwillie]

How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?

8

How many of those has he converted?

8 is completely made up.  I think before he got bumped from the rankings this week due to lack of attempts he was converting at something absurd like 95% of third down attempts.  How many of those were 5 yards and beyond is a mystery to me.

[kitten_mittons]

If Waters were actually a good QB, how many more of those bombs does he connect on instead of missing?  He had come good throws down the field, but he had just as many poor ones.  Also, he seems to love taking sacks.

[Katpappy]

I like when we use the #Lifewaters duo well, but that almost seems to have been lightening in a bottle. Sams should get all snaps within either 20 yard line. When we had it on our own 3 yard line today and trotted Waters out there, I knew it'd be a 3 and out. No doubt in my mind. After the first half, I honestly wouldn't have been too upset with Waters coming back in once Sams got it past the 20 yard line, especially if it meant we'd bring Sams back in once we got inside OU's 20 yard line. But who knows, these are just a dinkmentia-less man's thoughts.

This is what I was saying to the guys I sit with at the game.  Most are tucks in their 50's, but they feel the same way. 

[troubledscribe]

How many times has Sams had a 3rd and long?

8

How many of those has he converted?

8 is completely made up.  I think before he got bumped from the rankings this week due to lack of attempts he was converting at something absurd like 95% of third down attempts.  How many of those were 5 yards and beyond is a mystery to me.

BY DOWN AND DISTANCE              CMP   ATT   YDS   CMP%   YPA   LNG   TD   INT   SACK   RAT   ATT   YDS   AVG   LNG   TD
3rd & 6+                                          8   13   92   61.5   7.08   16   1   1   1   131.0          6   25   4.2   11   0
3rd (or 4th) down and 9+ yards to go    3   5   35   60.0   7.00   14   1   1   0   144.8          3   20   6.7   11   0
3rd (or 4th) down and 3-8 yards to go    10   13   103   76.9   7.92   16   0   0   1   143.5       9   64   7.1   27   1
3rd (or 4th) down and 1-2 yards to go    0   0   0   0.0   0.00   0   0   0   0   0.0          9   80   8.9   32   1

Roughly 3 & 6+ yards he has had at least 19 attempts, he is roughly making a first down around 60% of the time on third and long.
Holy crap, here is your key Statistics comparison:

While waters is close with his completion rate on 3 & 6+ yards - 22 COmpletions   37attempts    416yards   59.5%
His rushing is 16 Attempts for 0 yards.  Combined for a rough estimate of 40% chance for a first down on third and long with 53 attempts.  So, while Water's has double the attempts, he also has 20% chance less likely of making the first down in comparison with Sams.

[Rage Against the McKee]

He's actually 33% less likely than Sams to get a first down.