Winning ugly

[catzacker]

it was basically the North Dakota State game except we had more time.

[wetwillie]

it was basically the North Dakota State game except we had more time.

i was going to be really mean to tom

[catzacker]

it was basically the North Dakota State game except we had more time.

i was going to be really mean to tom

I don't like that we bring pressure and play soft coverage.  seems a bit counter productive.

[bucket]

1. The quarterback carousel went a bit off the rails today. I realize TCU came in with one of the best rush defenses in the league, but overly relying on your thrower when the wind was a mess didn't make sense. Waters struggled with accuracy in the wind much of the day and Sams was effective running, but Snyder kept going back to the Waters well. The 3 Waters' throws from the 5 yard line was probably the most baffling. Down the stretch they seemed to figure it out a bit, and even though it didn't result in TDs, the Waters/Sams combo got in position for the FGs and the win.

feels a bit more comfortable every game. Sams' fumble and missing TT were atrocious.  Waters' INT and some of his throws were as well. 

That was a 45 yd toss off of TT's hands. I wouldn't call that atrocious.

[kso_FAN]

it was basically the North Dakota State game except we had more time.

i was going to be really mean to tom

I don't like that we bring pressure and play soft coverage.  seems a bit counter productive.

We don't have enough talented guys to play tight man, but we have to take chances with pressure. It actually works better than I'd expect; I mean Evans sack was huge today.

[kso_FAN]

1. The quarterback carousel went a bit off the rails today. I realize TCU came in with one of the best rush defenses in the league, but overly relying on your thrower when the wind was a mess didn't make sense. Waters struggled with accuracy in the wind much of the day and Sams was effective running, but Snyder kept going back to the Waters well. The 3 Waters' throws from the 5 yard line was probably the most baffling. Down the stretch they seemed to figure it out a bit, and even though it didn't result in TDs, the Waters/Sams combo got in position for the FGs and the win.

feels a bit more comfortable every game. Sams' fumble and missing TT were atrocious.  Waters' INT and some of his throws were as well. 

That was a 45 yd toss off of TT's hands. I wouldn't call that atrocious.

Maybe not atrocious, but he was VERY open on that play. Not quite as open as Lockett/Thompson were on Waters' throws, but he had his man beat by 4-5 yards.

[michigancat]

1. The quarterback carousel went a bit off the rails today. I realize TCU came in with one of the best rush defenses in the league, but overly relying on your thrower when the wind was a mess didn't make sense. Waters struggled with accuracy in the wind much of the day and Sams was effective running, but Snyder kept going back to the Waters well. The 3 Waters' throws from the 5 yard line was probably the most baffling. Down the stretch they seemed to figure it out a bit, and even though it didn't result in TDs, the Waters/Sams combo got in position for the FGs and the win.

feels a bit more comfortable every game. Sams' fumble and missing TT were atrocious.  Waters' INT and some of his throws were as well. 

That was a 45 yd toss off of TT's hands. I wouldn't call that atrocious.

Maybe not atrocious, but he was VERY open on that play. Not quite as open as Lockett/Thompson were on Waters' throws, but he had his man beat by 4-5 yards.

No one would fault Waters if he missed that pass.

[catzacker]

it was basically the North Dakota State game except we had more time.

i was going to be really mean to tom

I don't like that we bring pressure and play soft coverage.  seems a bit counter productive.

We don't have enough talented guys to play tight man, but we have to take chances with pressure. It actually works better than I'd expect; I mean Evans sack was huge today.

yeah, it's just that we could probably get more INT's if we played a touch tighter.  Yes, It has worked though we tend to take the stance that the other team will F up on 3rd down before we will give up a TD. 

[wetwillie]

1. The quarterback carousel went a bit off the rails today. I realize TCU came in with one of the best rush defenses in the league, but overly relying on your thrower when the wind was a mess didn't make sense. Waters struggled with accuracy in the wind much of the day and Sams was effective running, but Snyder kept going back to the Waters well. The 3 Waters' throws from the 5 yard line was probably the most baffling. Down the stretch they seemed to figure it out a bit, and even though it didn't result in TDs, the Waters/Sams combo got in position for the FGs and the win.

feels a bit more comfortable every game. Sams' fumble and missing TT were atrocious.  Waters' INT and some of his throws were as well. 

That was a 45 yd toss off of TT's hands. I wouldn't call that atrocious.

TT had to go superman just to touch it, should have been an easy score with the seperation IMO. 

[michigancat]

It's just Sams gets one opportunity to go deep every four games or so.

[star seed 7]

1. The quarterback carousel went a bit off the rails today. I realize TCU came in with one of the best rush defenses in the league, but overly relying on your thrower when the wind was a mess didn't make sense. Waters struggled with accuracy in the wind much of the day and Sams was effective running, but Snyder kept going back to the Waters well. The 3 Waters' throws from the 5 yard line was probably the most baffling. Down the stretch they seemed to figure it out a bit, and even though it didn't result in TDs, the Waters/Sams combo got in position for the FGs and the win.

feels a bit more comfortable every game. Sams' fumble and missing TT were atrocious.  Waters' INT and some of his throws were as well. 

That was a 45 yd toss off of TT's hands. I wouldn't call that atrocious.

Maybe not atrocious, but he was VERY open on that play. Not quite as open as Lockett/Thompson were on Waters' throws, but he had his man beat by 4-5 yards.

TT also slowed down slightly, then had to rush to fingertip the ball.  probably something weird with the wind again.  the throw doesn't even come close to atrocious tho.

[wetwillie]

1. The quarterback carousel went a bit off the rails today. I realize TCU came in with one of the best rush defenses in the league, but overly relying on your thrower when the wind was a mess didn't make sense. Waters struggled with accuracy in the wind much of the day and Sams was effective running, but Snyder kept going back to the Waters well. The 3 Waters' throws from the 5 yard line was probably the most baffling. Down the stretch they seemed to figure it out a bit, and even though it didn't result in TDs, the Waters/Sams combo got in position for the FGs and the win.

feels a bit more comfortable every game. Sams' fumble and missing TT were atrocious.  Waters' INT and some of his throws were as well. 

That was a 45 yd toss off of TT's hands. I wouldn't call that atrocious.

Maybe not atrocious, but he was VERY open on that play. Not quite as open as Lockett/Thompson were on Waters' throws, but he had his man beat by 4-5 yards.

No one would fault Waters if he missed that pass.

heh.

[kso_FAN]

No one would fault Waters if he missed that pass.

I would have, you don't get guys that open often.

Waters had too many bad throws to recall all of them, none were sure TDs though. The bounce pass to Sexton to start the late drive was really bad for example.

[wetwillie]

No one would fault Waters if he missed that pass.

I would have, you don't get guys that open often.

Waters had too many bad throws to recall all of them, none were sure TDs though. The bounce pass to Sexton to start the late drive was really bad for example.

airmailed lockett several times

[kso_FAN]

TT also slowed down slightly, then had to rush to fingertip the ball.  probably something weird with the wind again.  the throw doesn't even come close to atrocious tho.

Honestly, I immediately thought of the wind after he threw it, another reason I wouldn't go so far to call it atrocious. His overthrow of Lockett last week was a worse miss on a deep ball.

[catzacker]

1. The quarterback carousel went a bit off the rails today. I realize TCU came in with one of the best rush defenses in the league, but overly relying on your thrower when the wind was a mess didn't make sense. Waters struggled with accuracy in the wind much of the day and Sams was effective running, but Snyder kept going back to the Waters well. The 3 Waters' throws from the 5 yard line was probably the most baffling. Down the stretch they seemed to figure it out a bit, and even though it didn't result in TDs, the Waters/Sams combo got in position for the FGs and the win.

feels a bit more comfortable every game. Sams' fumble and missing TT were atrocious.  Waters' INT and some of his throws were as well. 

That was a 45 yd toss off of TT's hands. I wouldn't call that atrocious.

Maybe not atrocious, but he was VERY open on that play. Not quite as open as Lockett/Thompson were on Waters' throws, but he had his man beat by 4-5 yards.

No one would fault Waters if he missed that pass.

I would.  Waters made some crap throws too.  He really should have had 2 picks today.  Sams had some nice throws but I simply can't overlook him (or Waters) rough ridin' up.  They do nice things, and bad things.

[kso_FAN]

No one would fault Waters if he missed that pass.

I would have, you don't get guys that open often.

Waters had too many bad throws to recall all of them, none were sure TDs though. The bounce pass to Sexton to start the late drive was really bad for example.

airmailed lockett several times

Yeah, he has a problem with overthrowing routes toward the sideline on 10-15 yard routes, he has at least 1-2 per game. And I need to rewatch the INT, but my impression was that it was a terrible decision and a forced throw.

[star seed 7]

waters was very lucky not to have 3 INT's in this game.

[CNS]

At least two picks. The entire first half he was throwing through hands and into double coverage.  The crap he was throwing, it was just a matter of time.

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[pvegs]

Most exciting finish to a home game ever? The 4OT A&M game was pretty fun but the winning drive on that one had a feel of inevitability to it. Today I went back and forth between confident win and abject losery terror seemingly the entire 2nd half.

smh

whatevs.  beasley to morgan in the snow, jeffy kelly's fumble return, a&m, rb3 game, all great. last second fgs are pretty darn fun tho.

[wetwillie]

At least two picks. The entire first half he was throwing through hands and into double coverage.  The crap he was throwing, it was just a matter of time.

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that bullet to klein for the first down like went through a linebackers hands in some kind of weird matrix action. 

[troubledscribe]

I am 80% certain that Waters has a shoulder injury.

[michigancat]

I really think the coaches think an offense can't be successful without passes of 30+ yards completed.

[CNS]

I am 80% certain that Waters has a shoulder injury.

Side arm throws.

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[Cire]

I really think the coaches think an offense can't be successful without passes of 30+ yards completed.

IMO Bill has gotten much better at this.  Bish/Beas/Roberson NEVER got to dink and dunk.