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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #150 on: November 05, 2013, 12:44:11 PM »
What would our record be if Waters was the QB 100% of the time?  no better than 4-4. 

What would our record be if Sams was the QB 100% of the time?  no worse than 4-4. 

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Correct. Also, the second situation bodes far better for 2014-15. FAR BETTER.

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #151 on: November 05, 2013, 12:45:41 PM »
Our coaching staff is awful and they want Sams to fail apparently.

well, I'd personally be 6-2 (at min.) right now as HC and I want us to do well. maybe I just love KSU more than anyone in the world, tho?

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #152 on: November 05, 2013, 12:50:35 PM »
Yeah, I don't think ignoring the stats (points) for something the "fans don't/can't see" is very rational. JMO.

Perhaps, but its practical. Maybe its part of the over-analysis coaches do, but they don't spend 80+ hours a week and have all those practices for the hell of it.

How is it practical?

And I honestly think Snyder does spend more time than necessary over-analyzing just for the hell of it.

his car's always in the parking lot rus. he doesn't eat until midnight.

he tried to get hypnotized so he could live off 3 hours of sleep a night so you think you know more about time management than LHC Bill Snyder you ungrateful prick?

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #153 on: November 05, 2013, 12:52:23 PM »
Yeah, I don't think ignoring the stats (points) for something the "fans don't/can't see" is very rational. JMO.

Perhaps, but its practical. Maybe its part of the over-analysis coaches do, but they don't spend 80+ hours a week and have all those practices for the hell of it.

How is it practical?

And I honestly think Snyder does spend more time than necessary over-analyzing just for the hell of it.

his car's always in the parking lot rus. he doesn't eat until midnight.

he tried to get hypnotized so he could live off 3 hours of sleep a night so you think you know more about time management than LHC Bill Snyder you ungrateful prick?

the stats don't show it but it's pretty clear that bill knows something we don't or else sams would be playing. YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN HIM ABOUT FOOTBALL?

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #154 on: November 05, 2013, 12:54:56 PM »
Yeah, I don't think ignoring the stats (points) for something the "fans don't/can't see" is very rational. JMO.

Perhaps, but its practical. Maybe its part of the over-analysis coaches do, but they don't spend 80+ hours a week and have all those practices for the hell of it.

How is it practical?

And I honestly think Snyder does spend more time than necessary over-analyzing just for the hell of it.

his car's always in the parking lot rus. he doesn't eat until midnight.

he tried to get hypnotized so he could live off 3 hours of sleep a night so you think you know more about time management than LHC Bill Snyder you ungrateful prick?

the stats don't show it but it's pretty clear that bill knows something we don't or else sams would be playing. YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN HIM ABOUT FOOTBALL?

I bet Rusty eats gets his butter from a tub and sits on the sunny side of the plane.  :lol:

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #155 on: November 05, 2013, 01:07:16 PM »
Thread: derailed.

But before we let it fall off the front page, please retitle it "It's all Waters under the bridge for _FAN."

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #156 on: November 05, 2013, 01:08:42 PM »
Talk about over-analysis.

Waters is the thrower. Sams is the runner. Snyder is working on fusing them Dragon Ball Z style, but they can't get the dance right.

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #157 on: November 05, 2013, 01:09:22 PM »
Thread: derailed.

But before we let it fall off the front page, please retitle it "It's all Waters under the bridge for _FAN."

I don't think Waters should get 100% of the snaps and I wouldn't like that at all.

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #158 on: November 05, 2013, 01:11:00 PM »

I don't think Waters should get 100% of the snaps and I wouldn't like that at all.


Which would you like more:  Waters 100% snaps.  Sams 100% snaps.  Who would have the better record?   

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #159 on: November 05, 2013, 01:16:00 PM »

I don't think Waters should get 100% of the snaps and I wouldn't like that at all.


Which would you like more:  Waters 100% snaps.  Sams 100% snaps.  Who would have the better record?   

Honestly, had Sams been healthy all fall and played more vs NDSU I think we have 1 more win. Maybe 2, but I don't think either guy would've taken over the spot by this point regardless.


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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #160 on: November 05, 2013, 01:19:03 PM »
I'm going to continue fighting the good fight, tho, b/c _Fan is typically rational, HFBIQ.   

I'm probably overly rational, but I try not to look at any position on the field in a vacuum, though quarterback is probably the most difficult. The numbers are and should be the most important indicator in evaluating the quarterback, but I also know there are other factors that we as fans don't/can't see or know that go into the evaluations of each position. I'm not trying to make this a "Snyder has forgotten more about football than any of us know" thing, but I can't help but factor in this unknown side based on what I've seen, particularly in how Snyder and his staff rotates these 2 guys in and out of games. Also, I've come to accept that Snyder is going to continue to play both guys unless one guy does something fantastic to stand out. Even then, he will probably keep the competition intact like he did with Roberson and Dunn.


Anything that gets Sams on the field more helps this team out.  It's time to just take what you can get.

yes, everyone just give up and accept it. good life lesson here. FOR rough ridin' IDIOTS!
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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #161 on: November 05, 2013, 01:21:26 PM »
I'm going to continue fighting the good fight, tho, b/c _Fan is typically rational, HFBIQ.   

I'm probably overly rational, but I try not to look at any position on the field in a vacuum, though quarterback is probably the most difficult. The numbers are and should be the most important indicator in evaluating the quarterback, but I also know there are other factors that we as fans don't/can't see or know that go into the evaluations of each position. I'm not trying to make this a "Snyder has forgotten more about football than any of us know" thing, but I can't help but factor in this unknown side based on what I've seen, particularly in how Snyder and his staff rotates these 2 guys in and out of games. Also, I've come to accept that Snyder is going to continue to play both guys unless one guy does something fantastic to stand out. Even then, he will probably keep the competition intact like he did with Roberson and Dunn.


 :dubious:

Anything that gets Sams on the field more helps this team out.  It's time to just take what you can get.

yes, everyone just give up and accept it. good life lesson here. FOR rough ridin' IDIOTS!

good steve dave post right there. I forget how good I can message board sometimes.

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #162 on: November 05, 2013, 01:22:19 PM »

I don't think Waters should get 100% of the snaps and I wouldn't like that at all.


Which would you like more:  Waters 100% snaps.  Sams 100% snaps.  Who would have the better record?   

Honestly, had Sams been healthy all fall and played more vs NDSU I think we have 1 more win. Maybe 2, but I don't think either guy would've taken over the spot by this point regardless.

I don't think we would have beaten ISU if we didn't have Sams to come into the game to bail Waters out late in the first half.

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #163 on: November 05, 2013, 01:24:27 PM »

I don't think Waters should get 100% of the snaps and I wouldn't like that at all.


Which would you like more:  Waters 100% snaps.  Sams 100% snaps.  Who would have the better record?   

Sams


There you go.

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #164 on: November 05, 2013, 01:27:50 PM »

I don't think Waters should get 100% of the snaps and I wouldn't like that at all.


Which would you like more:  Waters 100% snaps.  Sams 100% snaps.  Who would have the better record?   

Honestly, had Sams been healthy all fall and played more vs NDSU I think we have 1 more win. Maybe 2, but I don't think either guy would've taken over the spot by this point regardless.

Next to an actual member of Snyder's staff, you've got the highest FBIQ on here.  You've broken down the tape.  I'm asking you, if you had to choose one of these QBs to have 100% of the snaps, which would it be and why? 

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #165 on: November 05, 2013, 01:30:12 PM »
Waters is the thrower. Sams is the runner.

 :sdeek: Oh my god you sound insanely racist. You make me sick.

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #166 on: November 05, 2013, 01:35:05 PM »
Waters is the thrower. Sams is the runner.

 :sdeek: Oh my god you sound insanely racist. You make me sick.

Does anybody else sarcastically say things like "That's our Running QB!" when Sams completes a pass?  I do. 

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« Reply #167 on: November 05, 2013, 01:39:55 PM »
Waters is the thrower. Sams is the runner.

 :sdeek: Oh my god you sound insanely racist. You make me sick.

Does anybody else sarcastically say things like "That's our Running QB!" when Sams completes a pass?  I do. 

I do too sometimes.

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #168 on: November 05, 2013, 01:40:18 PM »
Waters is the thrower. Sams is the runner.

 :sdeek: Oh my god you sound insanely racist. You make me sick.

just squint really hard at his avatar

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« Reply #169 on: November 05, 2013, 01:42:31 PM »
Next to an actual member of Snyder's staff, you've got the highest FBIQ on here.  You've broken down the tape.  I'm asking you, if you had to choose one of these QBs to have 100% of the snaps, which would it be and why? 

Oh man, on the spot.

I said that I'd give the slight nod to Sams, so I have to go with what I said. I like that he can run which leads to longer drives, plus he's been more efficient on leading drives that score. I like Waters big play ability in the passing game, especially with Thompson/Lockett, which led to my frustration with him missing some key open throws against ISU that could have blown the game open. I still think he would be solid, but I'm not sold that Sams would be quite as effective if defenses soley prepared for him simply because our offense is slighlty more limited with him in the game. Of course its more limited with Waters, but I think Waters allows us to attack more of the field than Sams does. So I understand the trust the coaches have in Waters because of that, but game in game out, Sams has played well too and more efficiently producing scores. That's why its a difficult decision for me to make, but I give Sams the slight edge right now.

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #170 on: November 05, 2013, 01:42:52 PM »
Waters is the thrower. Sams is the runner.

 :sdeek: Oh my god you sound insanely racist. You make me sick.

just squint really hard at his avatar

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #171 on: November 05, 2013, 01:48:20 PM »
Sams 99%/Waters 1% > Sams 100%

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #172 on: November 05, 2013, 01:58:56 PM »
I bet Rusty eats gets his butter from a tub and sits on the sunny side of the plane.  :lol:

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I enjoyed this, ksu_FENCE

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #173 on: November 05, 2013, 02:21:26 PM »
Run the simulations for Sams at another position and Waters at QB and our record.

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Re: _FANalysis: K-State QBs
« Reply #174 on: November 05, 2013, 02:25:18 PM »
ksu_FENCE

That was a weird typo (in my post).

Also, this is my favorite nickname yet. Much better than the waters stuff because (obviously) I'm not 100% waters.

Look, there is plenty of room!