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Re: Spirited debate inspired by Dax.
« Reply #250 on: October 31, 2013, 03:16:53 PM »
If this was a Friday, this thread would be a good basketball coach smack-off.

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Re: Spirited debate inspired by Dax.
« Reply #251 on: October 31, 2013, 03:19:44 PM »
I really feel like Illini fans should be disqualifed from this discussion given the overall losery stature of the Illini Athletic department today and pretty much for a long time now.

I just looked at the BiG standings from this fall and last year, and, well, WOOF.

Yes, all of us EMAWs should move this thread to a Dallas hotel room and isolate ourselves from outside or historical evidence when analyzing this whole coaching thing.

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« Reply #252 on: October 31, 2013, 03:26:53 PM »
I really feel like Illini fans should be disqualifed from this discussion given the overall losery stature of the Illini Athletic department today and pretty much for a long time now.

I just looked at the BiG standings from this fall and last year, and, well, WOOF.

We were good at basketball for a few years there dax, but then oscar.  Hope for the future.  We have one good year in football every seven or eight years though that seems to be slipping away.  It's tough out there. 
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« Reply #253 on: October 31, 2013, 03:49:51 PM »
I really feel like Illini fans should be disqualifed from this discussion given the overall losery stature of the Illini Athletic department today and pretty much for a long time now.

I just looked at the BiG standings from this fall and last year, and, well, WOOF.

We were good at basketball for a few years there dax, but then oscar.  Hope for the future.  We have one good year in football every seven or eight years though that seems to be slipping away.  It's tough out there.

I really feel for the true non-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fans of the Breads.  I mean, you lost a coach that went on to do really well at another institution.  I can't imagine how much worse that would feel than the whole Frank issue.  I mean, yeah Frank left but he isn't winning any Natty's anytime soon and rubbing it in my face while I wish he would have stayed and NC'ed at my school.


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« Reply #254 on: October 31, 2013, 04:09:40 PM »
Resident Illini fans have no objectivity when it comes to oscar. 

Sorry Bread, reality bro, hang in there, underachievers like the Illini have their day in the sun now and again.


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Re: Spirited debate inspired by Dax.
« Reply #255 on: October 31, 2013, 04:12:10 PM »
Resident Illini fans have no objectivity when it comes to oscar. 

Sorry Bread, reality bro, hang in there, underachievers like the Illini have their day in the sun now and again.

do you have objectivity with frank?
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« Reply #256 on: October 31, 2013, 04:41:11 PM »
I really feel like Illini fans should be disqualifed from this discussion given the overall losery stature of the Illini Athletic department today and pretty much for a long time now.

I just looked at the BiG standings from this fall and last year, and, well, WOOF.

We were good at basketball for a few years there dax, but then oscar.  Hope for the future.  We have one good year in football every seven or eight years though that seems to be slipping away.  It's tough out there.

I really feel for the true non-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fans of the Breads.  I mean, you lost a coach that went on to do really well at another institution.  I can't imagine how much worse that would feel than the whole Frank issue.  I mean, yeah Frank left but he isn't winning any Natty's anytime soon and rubbing it in my face while I wish he would have stayed and NC'ed at my school.

I never really thought about Self dominating after he left.  I mean it didn't make it worse.  If he had failed at Kansas I wouldn't have felt better about what oscar was doing at Illinois.  It was always more about why the eff oscar in the first place and then all of his stupid oscar crap and then of course the losing.  It was a reactionary safe hire and we got what we deserved for making it. 

Until Illinois football gets our own Snyder or Alvarez or even better a Knight or T. Boone we're probably going to be very shitty.  It's an incredibly deep hole they're in.  I wish that sob Shahid Khan would get off his ass and get all T. Boonesy.  Forbes says he's worth $3.8 rough ridin' billion and he spends his money ($760 million) on the Jacksonville Jaguars and some goddamned soccer team (reportedly $200-300 million).  Like bro, just give them some of your money and make them do what you want until they're good.  He obviously likes sports and being a big deal.  Support the alma mater, fucko. :shakesfist:
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Re: Spirited debate inspired by Dax.
« Reply #257 on: October 31, 2013, 04:41:44 PM »
Resident Illini fans have no objectivity when it comes to oscar. 

Sorry Bread, reality bro, hang in there, underachievers like the Illini have their day in the sun now and again.

do you have objectivity with frank?

He doesn't have it with oscar. 
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« Reply #258 on: October 31, 2013, 04:50:00 PM »
storm I know you got me ONCE on the facts, and you are justly proud of that.  But let's get one thing straight here:

When Self's players account for over 68% of the minutes and over 72% of the points scored for that 2006 team, only an idiot would claim that's weber's team. 

Can we agree on that?  Good.


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« Reply #259 on: October 31, 2013, 04:52:56 PM »
Yeah, Khan is/was a Guenther supporter.  He's not going to do a damn thing to help us out, the sob.

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« Reply #260 on: October 31, 2013, 04:56:10 PM »

Until Illinois football gets our own Snyder or Alvarez or even better a Knight or T. Boone we're probably going to be very shitty. 


Not to hijack another wonderful thread over here, but why is Illini so rough ridin' terrible at everything.  I mean, it's the only University in the State.  (Northwestern doesn't count).  2 hours from Chicago.  Fball, BBall facilities are nice.  Big, populated stated.  I mean, jezus, seeing what we are able to produce in the middle of Kansas, it's mind blowing how inept IlliniAD must be.  eff. 

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« Reply #261 on: October 31, 2013, 05:08:02 PM »

Until Illinois football gets our own Snyder or Alvarez or even better a Knight or T. Boone we're probably going to be very shitty. 


Not to hijack another wonderful thread over here, but why is Illini so rough ridin' terrible at everything.  I mean, it's the only University in the State.  (Northwestern doesn't count).  2 hours from Chicago.  Fball, BBall facilities are nice.  Big, populated stated.  I mean, jezus, seeing what we are able to produce in the middle of Kansas, it's mind blowing how inept IlliniAD must be.  eff.

It's a real brain buster.  A lot of uninspired, mediocre intelligence losers in positions of authority is an ever-present hurdle.  I thought the new AD might be a go-getter, but then he hired Tim Beckman who was a terrible hire by almost any metric.  The most damning of which though is that Beckman is a complete fuckface moron and that's evident immediately upon watching the man and hearing him speak.  He's just embarrassing on top of being an awful coach.  It's all very troubling.  Like what would compel you to tie your own career to this man and pay him millions of dollars other than that you must yourself be a total rough ridin' idiot?
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Re: Spirited debate inspired by Dax.
« Reply #262 on: October 31, 2013, 05:12:27 PM »
Is it true Beckman got a 16 on his ACT?  That's both hard and not hard to believe.

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« Reply #263 on: October 31, 2013, 05:38:45 PM »

Until Illinois football gets our own Snyder or Alvarez or even better a Knight or T. Boone we're probably going to be very shitty. 


Not to hijack another wonderful thread over here, but why is Illini so rough ridin' terrible at everything.  I mean, it's the only University in the State.  (Northwestern doesn't count).  2 hours from Chicago.  Fball, BBall facilities are nice.  Big, populated stated.  I mean, jezus, seeing what we are able to produce in the middle of Kansas, it's mind blowing how inept IlliniAD must be.  eff.

It's a real brain buster.  A lot of uninspired, mediocre intelligence losers in positions of authority is an ever-present hurdle.  I thought the new AD might be a go-getter, but then he hired Tim Beckman who was a terrible hire by almost any metric.  The most damning of which though is that Beckman is a complete fuckface moron and that's evident immediately upon watching the man and hearing him speak.  He's just embarrassing on top of being an awful coach.  It's all very troubling.  Like what would compel you to tie your own career to this man and pay him millions of dollars other than that you must yourself be a total rough ridin' idiot?
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Re: Spirited debate inspired by Dax.
« Reply #264 on: October 31, 2013, 05:47:56 PM »
Editors note:

In my rather lengthy thought provoking post on page 7 of this thread, I posted incorrectly that James Augustine was drafted 41st in 2005. In actuality he was drafted 41st in 2006 (with Dee Brown).


I would recommend that oscar Weber focus on recruiting more 4 and 5 star recruits like Bill Self and that he quit recruiting out of High School Military Academies. These 4 and 5 star recruits always score the most on oscar teams except for Big Men. oscar doesn't believe in height advantages.
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« Reply #265 on: October 31, 2013, 05:56:39 PM »
Resident Illini fans have no objectivity when it comes to oscar. 

Sorry Bread, reality bro, hang in there, underachievers like the Illini have their day in the sun now and again.

do you have objectivity with frank?

He doesn't have it with oscar.

well, this was the endgame, maybe a spoiler alert next time bread.  sheesh.
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« Reply #266 on: October 31, 2013, 06:20:25 PM »
Much as it pains me to say it Frank, going forward, would have been a disaster.  He was done.  Players (not spradling) were on their way out.  It was a sinking ship.  I didn't believe the players revolt stuff before, but I do now.

What GPC poster posted this, was it CJH? Nicname, go back and point out to them that the good players on last year's team have shown to still have a relationship with Frank even after he left. I would have you also point out to this person that Frank had players leave every spring and everything turned out fine, but the clown would make some kind of rationalization to make themselves seem right. I'd also point to the players who have left since Frank left and I'd question them on if this revolt would as bad as what happened since Frank left, but I bet this person would not be honest about the impact of the players who have already left under oscar.

I dunno man, this guy worked closely with Frank and oscar and has had close relationships with players as well (not media stuff).  If I remember correctly he still has a good relationship with Frank.  He doesn't fall on the dishonest side, and when I originally posed the question my angle was much the same as yours and I was surprised at his answer.  Like I said, it is just what I believe.  That, plus Frank's relationship with Currie that, at least as far as you and I can tell, wasn't rosy, wouldn't have been good. 

This was just in a random conversation earlier this fall, btw. 

Frank is cool and was cool, I hope he and Unds do great at USC.  I think he is cooler and made EMAW hoops more fun than oscar probably will be able to, if only for his personality and star quality.  I didn't want him to leave, but now, I think it was probably the best thing for both Frank and K-State under the current administration.  That's all, man.
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« Reply #267 on: October 31, 2013, 06:44:38 PM »
Well nicname, based on the fact that you didn't know Unds is a head coach at Stephen F. Austin, it's pretty tough to believe what you have to say about our basketball program.

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« Reply #268 on: October 31, 2013, 07:49:13 PM »
Well nicname, based on the fact that you didn't know Unds is a head coach at Stephen F. Austin, it's pretty tough to believe what you have to say about our basketball program.

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« Reply #269 on: October 31, 2013, 08:09:02 PM »
I agree with Nicname's take, jmo.
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« Reply #270 on: October 31, 2013, 09:43:34 PM »
If Currie would have worked out a truce with Frank, we'd be better off today than we are.  If you really think Frank would have been a disaster and run the program into the ground, at least we could have fired him and started over. Also, if you spearhead the most sustained success in a program that it's had in 30 years, you probably deserve a grace period to eff up and try again. No matter what, those options are better than having room temperature milk as your coach.

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« Reply #271 on: October 31, 2013, 10:16:05 PM »
Well nicname, based on the fact that you didn't know Unds is a head coach at Stephen F. Austin, it's pretty tough to believe what you have to say about our basketball program.

I'll accept the egg on my face for that one.  Still, my lack of homework on Underwood's coaching career before my post doesn't make what I heard any less believable.

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« Reply #272 on: October 31, 2013, 10:45:54 PM »
my lack of homework on Underwood's coaching career before my post doesn't make what I heard any less believable.

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« Reply #273 on: October 31, 2013, 11:10:45 PM »
I agree with Nicname's take, jmo.

I agree with the second post, everyone does. The first post mentioned a mass exodus, the second post took a different direction. You can ignore all the other evidence, like those guys working out at USC this past summer instead of K-State, and just listen to Weber. He mentions all of the time about how hard he had to work to re-recruit the core of the team. If they were going to leave if Frank stayed why did they need convincing to stay after he left? The only player we knew for sure who was going to leave was Sprads, Nino was an obvious candidate to join him and I wouldn't be surprised if Shane thought about it, but that core 4 weren't going anywhere and we know that.

As far as Nicname's second post goes, it was very obvious that Frank's and Currie's relationship had deteriorated to the point where it was effecting the program and it was a one of these guys had to go situation. The Jamar suspension wasn't about Jamar at all it was Currie flexing.


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« Reply #274 on: October 31, 2013, 11:12:11 PM »
If there was going to be a player revolt and the players hated Frank or his coaching style, then the players should have already come out and said this. They especially should have said something when Team Burn It Down arrived on the scene and the atmosphere in the Octagon formerly of Paint sucked ass all year long. If I hated a coach and transferred because of him, I would happily tell people that he is a jerk.

Now we are just about to start the 2nd basketball season without Frank and we can't even get past whether Frank was going to actually start sucking or not.

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