Government Shutdown

[CNS]

What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff?  I get why it's happening.  I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?

It's not a concrete patio. It's a monument to the million or so Americans who were killed or wounded ridding the world of one of the most evil tyrants ever known. The Obama Admin made the incredibly petty, disrespectful, and stupid decision to use it as a "SHUTDOWN" prop and the veterans said "eff You." Good for them.

Oh man!  If that is what is going on, please continue to update us on when ever some old guy is ballsy enough to tell the current president "eff you". 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

When did medicaid and clinics cease to exist in this phony "the poor are dying outside of the doctors office" scenario?

No one is pretending they don't.  I am not in favor of Obamacare.  I am also not in favor of the Shellshock world where he thinks he is some self made titan of industry that has made it now and the poor can just go away when in reality a single car wreck would wipe him out if it weren't for insurance.

Well if the guy who hits the car doesn't have car insurance or only state minimum coverage and the car he hits is expensive, he's wiped out and nobody cares.  Likewise, if the guy dies after getting hit, after thousands of dollars of health coverage are expended, if he's the primary bread winner and he doesn't have life insurance his surviving family is wiped out and nobody cares.

But we have have to live with a law that affects everyone based on bullshit anecdotes, and its pathetic.

[star seed 7]

What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff?  I get why it's happening.  I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?

The point is there is no need to shut down a memorial. Obama has complete control over what is open, what is closed, and who is furloughed, and he is trying to do it in the most visible and douchiest way. I understand why he's doing it but it makes him look small and more of a baby than congress.

why doesn't obama just keep everything open?  seems like that would be a better middle finger to the republicans, like welp, see how much good that shutdown is doing, everyone is still working dumbasses!   

what an bad person obama is.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff?  I get why it's happening.  I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?

The point is there is no need to shut down a memorial. Obama has complete control over what is open, what is closed, and who is furloughed, and he is trying to do it in the most visible and douchiest way. I understand why he's doing it but it makes him look small and more of a baby than congress.

why doesn't obama just keep everything open?  seems like that would be a better middle finger to the republicans, like welp, see how much good that shutdown is doing, everyone is still working dumbasses!   

what an bad person obama is.

All he really needs to do is sign a reasonable budget and there won't be a problem at all. The republicans would have nothing to bargain with. Or, better yet, actually work on signing some legislation that would help small businesses (middle class, which he despises) and increase revenue organically. BOOM, fixed. No debt ceiling fight, no continue resolutions, etc, etc.

[EMAWmeister]

What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff?  I get why it's happening.  I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?

The point is there is no need to shut down a memorial. Obama has complete control over what is open, what is closed, and who is furloughed, and he is trying to do it in the most visible and douchiest way. I understand why he's doing it but it makes him look small and more of a baby than congress.

why doesn't obama just keep everything open?  seems like that would be a better middle finger to the republicans, like welp, see how much good that shutdown is doing, everyone is still working dumbasses!   

what an bad person obama is.

All he really needs to do is sign a reasonable budget and there won't be a problem at all. The republicans would have nothing to bargain with. Or, better yet, actually work on signing some legislation that would help small businesses (middle class, which he despises) and increase revenue organically. BOOM, fixed. No debt ceiling fight, no continue resolutions, etc, etc.

Lets stop acting like Republicans have clean hands here.  I'm not placing the blame on 'pubs 100%, but holy eff.

[star seed 7]

What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff?  I get why it's happening.  I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?

The point is there is no need to shut down a memorial. Obama has complete control over what is open, what is closed, and who is furloughed, and he is trying to do it in the most visible and douchiest way. I understand why he's doing it but it makes him look small and more of a baby than congress.

why doesn't obama just keep everything open?  seems like that would be a better middle finger to the republicans, like welp, see how much good that shutdown is doing, everyone is still working dumbasses!   

what an bad person obama is.

All he really needs to do is sign a reasonable budget and there won't be a problem at all. The republicans would have nothing to bargain with. Or, better yet, actually work on signing some legislation that would help small businesses (middle class, which he despises) and increase revenue organically. BOOM, fixed. No debt ceiling fight, no continue resolutions, etc, etc.

sometimes you stray into FSD territory.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Harry Reid is cracking. Every time the Dems trot out a sob story about how so and so is suffering because the evil Pubs have all the money tied up, the Pubs pass a specific resolution freeing up money for that particular issue. First it was vet benefits. Now it's kids with cancer. He's not taking it well.

DANA BASH: You all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials. The House is presumably going to pass a bill that funds at least the NIH. Given what you’ve said, will you at least pass that? And if not, aren’t you playing the same political games that Republicans are?

HARRY REID: ... What right did they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded? It’s obvious what’s going on here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don’t know what other word I can use. They’re obsessed with this Obamacare. It’s working now and it will continue to work and people will love it more than they do now by far. () So they have no right to pick and choose.

BASH: But if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?

REID: Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless.

The problem for Reid, of course, and the reason why the Dems must insist on "all or nothing", is that once you start considering individual programs, it quickly reveals the massive waste that is hidden in these massive spending bills. It's really quite entertaining to watch them squirm.

So the SHUTDOWN continues, and the longer it continues, the greater the risk that people will realize just how non-essential much of the government is. 94% of the EPA is on furlough, and life goes on, etc.

[Dugout DickStone]

When did medicaid and clinics cease to exist in this phony "the poor are dying outside of the doctors office" scenario?

No one is pretending they don't.  I am not in favor of Obamacare.  I am also not in favor of the Shellshock world where he thinks he is some self made titan of industry that has made it now and the poor can just go away when in reality a single car wreck would wipe him out if it weren't for insurance.

Well if the guy who hits the car doesn't have car insurance or only state minimum coverage and the car he hits is expensive, he's wiped out and nobody cares.  Likewise, if the guy dies after getting hit, after thousands of dollars of health coverage,, if he's the primary bread winner and he doesn't have life insurance he's wiped out and nobody cares.

But we have have to live with a law and hat affects everyone based on bullshit anecdotes, and its pathetic.

But the guy who causes an accident is the same as the guy who gets testicular cancer?

Good analogy professor.  #livetrim

[ednksu]

he just read an Ayn Rand book or something and wants to come on here and pretend to be smart.  I know some people like him.

Well, you outed me...

Seriously though: All of you who are supporting this, I need some medical work done pretty soon...who wants to open their pocketbook and donate to me? Not a damn one of you...That's what I thought.

I take care of myself and you take care of yourself. I'm not going to ask you for help and I sure am not going to give help if you're not working and I am. The days of government handouts should be over as people are abusing the system...which is another topic for another thread

I'm not claiming to be a "self made titan" or whatever I was called...I just want to be accountable for me and nobody else. I'm tired of premiums going up and such because there are too many uninsured people demanding treatment without payment. It's ass backwards and we're smarter and better than that in the USofA.

eff you and yourself self interested ideologue bullshit that has no place in America.  Move to rough ridin' Somalia if you want that life. The US was founded on many principles which are diametrically opposed to your way of life.

[ednksu]

Harry Reid is cracking. Every time the Dems trot out a sob story about how so and so is suffering because the evil Pubs have all the money tied up, the Pubs pass a specific resolution freeing up money for that particular issue. First it was vet benefits. Now it's kids with cancer. He's not taking it well.

DANA BASH: You all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials. The House is presumably going to pass a bill that funds at least the NIH. Given what you’ve said, will you at least pass that? And if not, aren’t you playing the same political games that Republicans are?

HARRY REID: ... What right did they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded? It’s obvious what’s going on here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don’t know what other word I can use. They’re obsessed with this Obamacare. It’s working now and it will continue to work and people will love it more than they do now by far. () So they have no right to pick and choose.

BASH: But if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?

REID: Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless.

The problem for Reid, of course, and the reason why the Dems must insist on "all or nothing", is that once you start considering individual programs, it quickly reveals the massive waste that is hidden in these massive spending bills. It's really quite entertaining to watch them squirm.

So the SHUTDOWN continues, and the longer it continues, the greater the risk that people will realize just how non-essential much of the government is. 94% of the EPA is on furlough, and life goes on, etc.

Yeah when you causes a problem you don't get to do an end run around the impacts of the issue.  This is a Tea Party mess 100% and they should face all the negative PR that comes with it. Maybe they should have thought of this before trying to cripple a law which they have failed to destroy at every turn, in every office, and at every level of government.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

When did medicaid and clinics cease to exist in this phony "the poor are dying outside of the doctors office" scenario?

No one is pretending they don't.  I am not in favor of Obamacare.  I am also not in favor of the Shellshock world where he thinks he is some self made titan of industry that has made it now and the poor can just go away when in reality a single car wreck would wipe him out if it weren't for insurance.

Well if the guy who hits the car doesn't have car insurance or only state minimum coverage and the car he hits is expensive, he's wiped out and nobody cares.  Likewise, if the guy dies after getting hit, after thousands of dollars of health coverage,, if he's the primary bread winner and he doesn't have life insurance he's wiped out and nobody cares.

But we have have to live with a law and hat affects everyone based on bullshit anecdotes, and its pathetic.

But the guy who causes an accident is the same as the guy who gets testicular cancer?

Good analogy professor.  #livetrim

Right, both dumbasses who didn't properly insure themselves.

[Dugout DickStone]

No difference between the 2.  Got it.  Have you considered writing a book?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

No difference between the 2.  Got it.  Have you considered writing a book?

What if the guy that "caused" the accident, caused it by swerving to miss a dog?  Does the help you understand better? Because you're whiffing on the point.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

How about the family of the guy who died?

[Dugout DickStone]

How about the family of the guy who died?

Are they disabled from the accident? After his death, They now have to work and find income, and we have a system to help them along.  Lots of private charities exist as well.

I believe in a safety net, based on the premise that the wealthiest nation in history can help those citizens who need help, nothing else.  The "I'm healthy, eff them" attitude is what disgusts me.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

What is so exciting about a bunch of old ppl ignoring signs not to hang out on a concrete patio outside next to statues and stuff?  I get why it's happening.  I wouldn't ruin my vacation either, but why is this such a talking point?

The point is there is no need to shut down a memorial. Obama has complete control over what is open, what is closed, and who is furloughed, and he is trying to do it in the most visible and douchiest way. I understand why he's doing it but it makes him look small and more of a baby than congress.

why doesn't obama just keep everything open?  seems like that would be a better middle finger to the republicans, like welp, see how much good that shutdown is doing, everyone is still working dumbasses!   

what an bad person obama is.

All he really needs to do is sign a reasonable budget and there won't be a problem at all. The republicans would have nothing to bargain with. Or, better yet, actually work on signing some legislation that would help small businesses (middle class, which he despises) and increase revenue organically. BOOM, fixed. No debt ceiling fight, no continue resolutions, etc, etc.

sometimes you stray into FSD territory.

I can't help that, when you're right, you're right. As a moderate, I sometimes stray into seven territory, too.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

How about the family of the guy who died?

Are they disabled from the accident? After his death, They now have to work and find income, and we have a system to help them along.  Lots of private charities exist as well.

I believe in a safety net, based on the premise that the wealthiest nation in history can help those citizens who need help, nothing else.  The "I'm healthy, eff them" attitude is what disgusts me.

Okay, great.  Still not the point.

[Dugout DickStone]

How about the family of the guy who died?

Are they disabled from the accident? After his death, They now have to work and find income, and we have a system to help them along.  Lots of private charities exist as well.

I believe in a safety net, based on the premise that the wealthiest nation in history can help those citizens who need help, nothing else.  The "I'm healthy, eff them" attitude is what disgusts me.

Okay, great.  Still not the point.

You are simply horrible at explaining your point then.  Sorry

[Headinjun]

We're seeing the beginning of a new era folks! Hopefully everyone can open their eyes and treat healthcare like the good/service it really is. If you can't afford it, i'm sorry but you can't get treated. It's the same principle that runs everything else in the world. If you don't have money to buy a nice car, you don't get to.

This may get me blasted, but it's how things have worked for hundreds of years. Everything has been going downhill since we've been giving a crap about not hurting everyones feelings.

not having a nice car isnt a matter of living or dying. apples and oranges you heartless prick.

It's really not though...

Why do you feel the need for everyone that works hard for a living to pay for people that don't even want to find jobs? I work my ass off in order to do what I want and i'm tired of people freeloading off successful people. This country was built off of hard work and opportunity. Everyone has the opportunity to achieve more and have more success, but they have to work for it. Whether it's a minimum wage job that provides small healthcare or one where you have all the money in the world. The problem with Americans now is that we're lazy and feel like we're entitled to everything and that's just not how it works.

SS,

Just so you know the ACA was put into effect to help middle class families protect their assets and savings too. 

If you're not aware of that then I'm not sure you really pick up a newspaper or have a clue about what has or is going on.

[kim carnes]

he just read an Ayn Rand book or something and wants to come on here and pretend to be smart.  I know some people like him.

Well, you outed me...

Seriously though: All of you who are supporting this, I need some medical work done pretty soon...who wants to open their pocketbook and donate to me? Not a damn one of you...That's what I thought.

I take care of myself and you take care of yourself. I'm not going to ask you for help and I sure am not going to give help if you're not working and I am. The days of government handouts should be over as people are abusing the system...which is another topic for another thread

I'm not claiming to be a "self made titan" or whatever I was called...I just want to be accountable for me and nobody else. I'm tired of premiums going up and such because there are too many uninsured people demanding treatment without payment. It's ass backwards and we're smarter and better than that in the USofA.

eff you and yourself self interested ideologue bullshit that has no place in America.  Move to rough ridin' Somalia if you want that life. The US was founded on many principles which are diametrically opposed to your way of life.

The US was like founded to not pay taxes

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

How about the family of the guy who died?

Are they disabled from the accident? After his death, They now have to work and find income, and we have a system to help them along.  Lots of private charities exist as well.

I believe in a safety net, based on the premise that the wealthiest nation in history can help those citizens who need help, nothing else.  The "I'm healthy, eff them" attitude is what disgusts me.

Okay, great.  Still not the point.

You are simply horrible at explaining your point then.  Sorry

You started it.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Harry Reid is cracking. Every time the Dems trot out a sob story about how so and so is suffering because the evil Pubs have all the money tied up, the Pubs pass a specific resolution freeing up money for that particular issue. First it was vet benefits. Now it's kids with cancer. He's not taking it well.

DANA BASH: You all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials. The House is presumably going to pass a bill that funds at least the NIH. Given what you’ve said, will you at least pass that? And if not, aren’t you playing the same political games that Republicans are?

HARRY REID: ... What right did they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded? It’s obvious what’s going on here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don’t know what other word I can use. They’re obsessed with this Obamacare. It’s working now and it will continue to work and people will love it more than they do now by far. () So they have no right to pick and choose.

BASH: But if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?

REID: Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless.

The problem for Reid, of course, and the reason why the Dems must insist on "all or nothing", is that once you start considering individual programs, it quickly reveals the massive waste that is hidden in these massive spending bills. It's really quite entertaining to watch them squirm.

So the SHUTDOWN continues, and the longer it continues, the greater the risk that people will realize just how non-essential much of the government is. 94% of the EPA is on furlough, and life goes on, etc.

Yeah when you causes a problem you don't get to do an end run around the impacts of the issue.  This is a Tea Party mess 100% and they should face all the negative PR that comes with it. Maybe they should have thought of this before trying to cripple a law which they have failed to destroy at every turn, in every office, and at every level of government.

So your argument boils down to "well they started it! " They're only "impacts" because the Dems insist on the "all or nothing" approach, because if they start passing individual spending resolutions, it sets a very bad precedent for protecting The Bloat (same reason they won't propose a budget that cuts spending). So I guess the question is: do you really hate kids with cancer, or are you just trying to protect Big Government?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Dick Armey weighs in.

http://ideas.time.com/2013/10/02/how-the-gop-congress-saved-obama-from-the-dog-house/?hpt=hp_t1

[ednksu]

Harry Reid is cracking. Every time the Dems trot out a sob story about how so and so is suffering because the evil Pubs have all the money tied up, the Pubs pass a specific resolution freeing up money for that particular issue. First it was vet benefits. Now it's kids with cancer. He's not taking it well.

DANA BASH: You all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials. The House is presumably going to pass a bill that funds at least the NIH. Given what you’ve said, will you at least pass that? And if not, aren’t you playing the same political games that Republicans are?

HARRY REID: ... What right did they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded? It’s obvious what’s going on here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don’t know what other word I can use. They’re obsessed with this Obamacare. It’s working now and it will continue to work and people will love it more than they do now by far. () So they have no right to pick and choose.

BASH: But if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?

REID: Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless.

The problem for Reid, of course, and the reason why the Dems must insist on "all or nothing", is that once you start considering individual programs, it quickly reveals the massive waste that is hidden in these massive spending bills. It's really quite entertaining to watch them squirm.

So the SHUTDOWN continues, and the longer it continues, the greater the risk that people will realize just how non-essential much of the government is. 94% of the EPA is on furlough, and life goes on, etc.

Yeah when you causes a problem you don't get to do an end run around the impacts of the issue.  This is a Tea Party mess 100% and they should face all the negative PR that comes with it. Maybe they should have thought of this before trying to cripple a law which they have failed to destroy at every turn, in every office, and at every level of government.

So your argument boils down to "well they started it! " They're only "impacts" because the Dems insist on the "all or nothing" approach, because if they start passing individual spending resolutions, it sets a very bad precedent for protecting The Bloat (same reason they won't propose a budget that cuts spending). So I guess the question is: do you really hate kids with cancer, or are you just trying to protect Big Government?

Dear idiot,
If you allow a piecemeal approach to refunding the government it is NO DIFFERENT than passing a CR with the defunding clause. 
You are the ones who passed by the kids with cancer and the kids who rely on SNAP for your partisan ideologue terrorism.
People with logic,
ednksu

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Yeah when you causes a problem you don't get to do an end run around the impacts of the issue.  This is a Tea Party mess 100% and they should face all the negative PR that comes with it. Maybe they should have thought of this before trying to cripple a law which they have failed to destroy at every turn, in every office, and at every level of government.

So your argument boils down to "well they started it! " They're only "impacts" because the Dems insist on the "all or nothing" approach, because if they start passing individual spending resolutions, it sets a very bad precedent for protecting The Bloat (same reason they won't propose a budget that cuts spending). So I guess the question is: do you really hate kids with cancer, or are you just trying to protect Big Government?

Dear idiot,
If you allow a piecemeal approach to refunding the government it is NO DIFFERENT than passing a CR with the defunding clause. 
You are the ones who passed by the kids with cancer and the kids who rely on SNAP for your partisan ideologue terrorism.
People with logic,
ednksu

Of course it is NO DIFFERENT for Dems - because they insist on an all or nothing approach. Why is this so hard for a "person of logic" to understand? So because of the Dems' "partisan ideologue terrorism," kids with cancer and who rely on SNAP suffer. Sad, really.