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[Rage Against the McKee]

Collabo /group learning is the worst.  My calc2 rec teacher is doing this and i've already decided to forfeit the participation grade and not go because it's a wastee of time.

 

If all of my classes at K-State were set up that way, I would probably have to find a different college.

[WildcatNkilt]

An interesting demo was done at Hale library a couple years ago (maybe it was last year).  But a local distributor of Steelcase's MediaScape (show below) set one of these up in Hale Library.  It was apparently used around the clock and students attempted to mock up a 2nd one using tables/chairs/monitors in the area so they could collaborate in a similar fashion.  From what I heard, the new Kineseology building (not sure what building it is) is looking at these.  But this is an example of how the new generation of students are wanting to learn and why studies have proven the collaborative classrooms have stimulated the learning environment. 

[3maw]

An interesting demo was done at Hale library a couple years ago (maybe it was last year).  But a local distributor of Steelcase's MediaScape (show below) set one of these up in Hale Library.  It was apparently used around the clock and students attempted to mock up a 2nd one using tables/chairs/monitors in the area so they could collaborate in a similar fashion.  From what I heard, the new Kineseology building (not sure what building it is) is looking at these.  But this is an example of how the new generation of students are wanting to learn and why studies have proven the collaborative classrooms have stimulated the learning environment. 

...outside the classroom. for most engineering classes you just cannot replace pen and pencil notes.

[8manpick]

This thread started interesting but got real quick

[Rage Against the McKee]

An interesting demo was done at Hale library a couple years ago (maybe it was last year).  But a local distributor of Steelcase's MediaScape (show below) set one of these up in Hale Library.  It was apparently used around the clock and students attempted to mock up a 2nd one using tables/chairs/monitors in the area so they could collaborate in a similar fashion.  From what I heard, the new Kineseology building (not sure what building it is) is looking at these.  But this is an example of how the new generation of students are wanting to learn and why studies have proven the collaborative classrooms have stimulated the learning environment. 

...outside the classroom. for most engineering classes you just cannot replace pen and pencil notes.

Exactly. I would be all for setting up stations like that in Fiedler Library. Honestly, though, the setup when I was there wasn't all that different and is probably much more space-efficient.

[3maw]

An interesting demo was done at Hale library a couple years ago (maybe it was last year).  But a local distributor of Steelcase's MediaScape (show below) set one of these up in Hale Library.  It was apparently used around the clock and students attempted to mock up a 2nd one using tables/chairs/monitors in the area so they could collaborate in a similar fashion.  From what I heard, the new Kineseology building (not sure what building it is) is looking at these.  But this is an example of how the new generation of students are wanting to learn and why studies have proven the collaborative classrooms have stimulated the learning environment. 

...outside the classroom. for most engineering classes you just cannot replace pen and pencil notes.

Exactly. I would be all for setting up stations like that in Fiedler Library.

WHICH is happening in phase 4! more study rooms and study "clusters"

[Rage Against the McKee]

So, does this station require each student to have his/her own laptop to make it work? I don't see any keyboard/mouse for the 2 big monitors that everyone is grouped around.

[pissclams]

An interesting demo was done at Hale library a couple years ago (maybe it was last year).  But a local distributor of Steelcase's MediaScape (show below) set one of these up in Hale Library.  It was apparently used around the clock and students attempted to mock up a 2nd one using tables/chairs/monitors in the area so they could collaborate in a similar fashion.  From what I heard, the new Kineseology building (not sure what building it is) is looking at these.  But this is an example of how the new generation of students are wanting to learn and why studies have proven the collaborative classrooms have stimulated the learning environment. 

this seems to benefit the dumbs and negatively effect  smart people like myself.  i don't have time to carry the weight of the scrubs. 

[sonofdaxjones]

An interesting demo was done at Hale library a couple years ago (maybe it was last year).  But a local distributor of Steelcase's MediaScape (show below) set one of these up in Hale Library.  It was apparently used around the clock and students attempted to mock up a 2nd one using tables/chairs/monitors in the area so they could collaborate in a similar fashion.  From what I heard, the new Kineseology building (not sure what building it is) is looking at these.  But this is an example of how the new generation of students are wanting to learn and why studies have proven the collaborative classrooms have stimulated the learning environment. 

Here's what I see.   The 2 guys are acting all nice, afterwards they will go for  and figure out how they can off load all the work on to the chick.   

They will then reconvine at the "collaborative" work table the next day, be all nice and quietly off load everything on to her, all the while keeping up the jovial conversation and pointing at a computer monitor now and again saying something semi-salient.   They will then go out and      all night, while the girl  to all of her "sisters" about how she has to do all the work. 

Meanwhile the sales guy who sold all that stuff 

[WildcatNkilt]

An interesting demo was done at Hale library a couple years ago (maybe it was last year).  But a local distributor of Steelcase's MediaScape (show below) set one of these up in Hale Library.  It was apparently used around the clock and students attempted to mock up a 2nd one using tables/chairs/monitors in the area so they could collaborate in a similar fashion.  From what I heard, the new Kineseology building (not sure what building it is) is looking at these.  But this is an example of how the new generation of students are wanting to learn and why studies have proven the collaborative classrooms have stimulated the learning environment. 

Here's what I see.   The 2 guys are acting all nice, afterwards they will go for  and figure out how they can off load all the work on to the chick.   

They will then reconvine at the "collaborative" work table the next day, be all nice and quietly off load everything on to her, all the while keeping up the jovial conversation and pointing at a computer monitor now and again same something semi-salient.   They will then go out and      all night, while the girl  to all of her "sisters" about how she has to do all the work. 

Meanwhile the sales guy who sold at that stuff 

Nailed it.

[puniraptor]

Collabo /group learning is the worst.  My calc2 rec teacher is doing this and i've already decided to forfeit the participation grade and not go because it's a wastee of time.

 

If all of my classes at K-State were set up that way, I would probably have to find a different college.

It's way better for me, even if I dont like it. I will coast and do the minimum if left alone, but if you can trick me into believing other people are depending on me, I will shoulder as much of the burden as possible and be a learning/doing allstar.

[Rage Against the McKee]

An interesting demo was done at Hale library a couple years ago (maybe it was last year).  But a local distributor of Steelcase's MediaScape (show below) set one of these up in Hale Library.  It was apparently used around the clock and students attempted to mock up a 2nd one using tables/chairs/monitors in the area so they could collaborate in a similar fashion.  From what I heard, the new Kineseology building (not sure what building it is) is looking at these.  But this is an example of how the new generation of students are wanting to learn and why studies have proven the collaborative classrooms have stimulated the learning environment. 

Here's what I see.   The 2 guys are acting all nice, afterwards they will go for  and figure out how they can off load all the work on to the chick.   

They will then reconvine at the "collaborative" work table the next day, be all nice and quietly off load everything on to her, all the while keeping up the jovial conversation and pointing at a computer monitor now and again saying something semi-salient.   They will then go out and      all night, while the girl  to all of her "sisters" about how she has to do all the work. 

Meanwhile the sales guy who sold all that stuff 

The guy on the left is telling jokes while the girl and the guy on the right are doing all the work. See the screens on their laptops vs what is displayed on the monitors. The guy on the right is just about to nudge the girl with his foot. She will look over, they will make eye contact, and both will realize that it is time to draw this meeting to a close. The guy and the girl will then leave to get a drink and then go back to his place for some "coffee" and homework finalization. The guy telling the joke will get an A for this assignment but bomb all the tests and tell everyone how the engineering program sucks because some people are good at learning but just bad at tests.

[star seed 7]

this seems to benefit the dumbs and negatively effect  smart people like myself.  i don't have time to carry the weight of the scrubs.

yup.  in my previously mentioned class, the slower people rough ridin' love this.

and also equating group learning to the group setting in a workplace isn't correct in my opinion.  i love group projects or presentations or whatever because the creative element of groups have huge upside, but actually learning new material is totally different.

[Tobias]

[michigancat]

Group work helped me a lot in engineering classes, but I don't remember having any time to do it in classrooms.

[WildcatNkilt]

This type of classroom setting is supposed to make the students more accountable.  So far it has proven to weed out the worthless ones much faster than the traditional classroom. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

This type of classroom setting is supposed to make the students more accountable.  So far it has proven to weed out the worthless ones much faster than the traditional classroom.

Do the worthless students just drop out of school mid-semester? It seems like most would wait until after they fail out and both systems would work equally fast.

[Mr Bread]

this seems to benefit the dumbs and negatively effect  smart people like myself.  i don't have time to carry the weight of the scrubs.

yup.  in my previously mentioned class, the slower people rough ridin' love this.

and also equating group learning to the group setting in a workplace isn't correct in my opinion.  i love group projects or presentations or whatever because the creative element of groups have huge upside, but actually learning new material is totally different.

In my experience there is always a far greater possiblity that the idiots will water down the end product from what it might have been had the best person simply done it themselves.  Idiots love collaboration. 

[michigancat]

Well, being the smartest person in my homework groups always helped me, because teaching someone improves how well you understand the concepts. I think group work is great, I just question Nkilt's furniture being necessary in a classroom (due to what a small percentage of work is done in a classroom). It would be fantastic in libraries and study areas or whatever, though.

[WildcatNkilt]

Well, being the smartest person in my homework groups always helped me, because teaching someone improves how well you understand the concepts. I think group work is great, I just question Nkilt's furniture being necessary in a classroom (due to what a small percentage of work is done in a classroom). It would be fantastic in libraries and study areas or whatever, though.

If the tables were set up that way to just listen to a lecture then I would 100% agree that they aren't necessary.  The new setup is removing the full-blown lecture from the classroom and creating a different style of teaching.  More work is done in the classroom.  If there are lectures, a lot of it is put on the student to watch online when they go home.  Class time is when problems and discussions happen to apply what was discussed from the lecture videos.  Once again...adding accountability to the student and providing time during class to ask questions and solve problems.

[WildcatNkilt]

Also I don't sell the furniture.  I'm discussing it because I feel like it is an important educational movement that I can only hope is adopted on K-State's campus, knowing that many other campuses are rapidly adopting it for their new buildings.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Well, being the smartest person in my homework groups always helped me, because teaching someone improves how well you understand the concepts. I think group work is great, I just question Nkilt's furniture being necessary in a classroom (due to what a small percentage of work is done in a classroom). It would be fantastic in libraries and study areas or whatever, though.

If the tables were set up that way to just listen to a lecture then I would 100% agree that they aren't necessary.  The new setup is removing the full-blown lecture from the classroom and creating a different style of teaching.  More work is done in the classroom.  If there are lectures, a lot of it is put on the student to watch online when they go home.  Class time is when problems and discussions happen to apply what was discussed from the lecture videos.  Once again...adding accountability to the student and providing time during class to ask questions and solve problems.

I'm just glad I already have my degree. That sounds awful.

Some of my friends are going out to the bars and ask if I can come along. "No, guys, I have to finish up some homework and then read a chapter of this Mechanics of Materials textbook for the quiz tomorrow. No, K-State did away with the lectures where somebody actually teaches you the material. Now you just read the book, take a quiz, and then carry dead weight for the rest of the hour."

[michigancat]

Well, being the smartest person in my homework groups always helped me, because teaching someone improves how well you understand the concepts. I think group work is great, I just question Nkilt's furniture being necessary in a classroom (due to what a small percentage of work is done in a classroom). It would be fantastic in libraries and study areas or whatever, though.

If the tables were set up that way to just listen to a lecture then I would 100% agree that they aren't necessary.  The new setup is removing the full-blown lecture from the classroom and creating a different style of teaching.  More work is done in the classroom.  If there are lectures, a lot of it is put on the student to watch online when they go home.  Class time is when problems and discussions happen to apply what was discussed from the lecture videos.  Once again...adding accountability to the student and providing time during class to ask questions and solve problems.

that makes sense. #teamNkilt

[wabash909]

Somebody show us what the new dorms are going to look like.

[3maw]

winner