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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2013, 09:25:38 AM »
All the available evidence here suggests the alcohol/super-rough ridin'-smart part of the science is dead on. 

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« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2013, 09:28:37 AM »
All the available evidence here suggests the alcohol/super-rough ridin'-smart part of the science is dead on.

Also not racist.
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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #77 on: September 20, 2013, 10:09:46 AM »
I haven't read or heard about these papers/pieces/whatever but was the science bad? did he just racist out all over them or did he have data that a scientist would normally have and stuff?

from some of the critics, it does sound like there were significant problems with his inferences, if not his data.  but as far as i can see, the blog post was pulled, so we aren't being trusted to evaluate his research for ourselves.  if someone knows where a copy of the original is, i'd be interested to see it.

Not the original, but:

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In a letter to Judith Rees, director of the LSE, Dr Kanazawa says he "deeply regrets" the "unintended consequences" of the blog and accepts it was an "error" to publish it.

"In retrospect, I should have been more careful in selecting the title and the language that I used to express my ideas," he writes.

"In the aftermath of its publication, and from all the criticisms that I have received, I have learned that some of my arguments may have been flawed and not supported by the available evidence."

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/417449.article

The LSE itself said:

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It found that "some of the arguments used...were flawed and not supported by evidence, that an error was made in publishing the blog post" and that Dr Kanazawa had not given "due consideration to his approach or audience".

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In addition to the 12-month ban, he will not teach any compulsory courses this academic year.

yeah, should be fired by the school as well.

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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #78 on: September 20, 2013, 10:11:33 AM »
I mean, what kind of dr. scientist decides to err on the side of racist when making un-supported claims? we shouldn't have to teach budding Phd students that this is a bad idea but maybe we need to?

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« Reply #79 on: September 20, 2013, 10:30:25 AM »
Satoshi Kanazawa on what he calls WWIII (circa March 2008):

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Here’s a little thought experiment. Imagine that, on September 11, 2001, when the Twin Towers came down, the President of the United States was not George W. Bush, but Ann Coulter. What would have happened then? On September 12, President Coulter would have ordered the US military forces to drop 35 nuclear bombs throughout the Middle East, killing all of our actual and potential enemy combatants, and their wives and children. On September 13, the war would have been over and won, without a single American life lost.

Yes, we need a woman in the White House, but not the one who’s running.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200803/why-we-are-losing-war

He's full of great ideas. 
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« Reply #80 on: September 20, 2013, 10:34:09 AM »
his name is very similar to a japanese foreign exchange student at my HS that was a complete stud so I'm tempted to just go with it.

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« Reply #81 on: September 20, 2013, 10:37:10 AM »
Satoshi Kanazawa on what he calls WWIII (circa March 2008):

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Here’s a little thought experiment. Imagine that, on September 11, 2001, when the Twin Towers came down, the President of the United States was not George W. Bush, but Ann Coulter. What would have happened then? On September 12, President Coulter would have ordered the US military forces to drop 35 nuclear bombs throughout the Middle East, killing all of our actual and potential enemy combatants, and their wives and children. On September 13, the war would have been over and won, without a single American life lost.

Yes, we need a woman in the White House, but not the one who’s running.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200803/why-we-are-losing-war

He's full of great ideas.

 :horrorsurprise:  Like I said earlier, something caused this guy to go bat crap crazy.  Drugs?, mental health issues?  Who knows.  It's really a shame there are people who think like this.

Nice find btw.
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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2013, 10:49:13 AM »
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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #83 on: September 20, 2013, 11:01:27 AM »
Satoshi Kanazawa on what he calls WWIII (circa March 2008):

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Here’s a little thought experiment. Imagine that, on September 11, 2001, when the Twin Towers came down, the President of the United States was not George W. Bush, but Ann Coulter. What would have happened then? On September 12, President Coulter would have ordered the US military forces to drop 35 nuclear bombs throughout the Middle East, killing all of our actual and potential enemy combatants, and their wives and children. On September 13, the war would have been over and won, without a single American life lost.

Yes, we need a woman in the White House, but not the one who’s running.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200803/why-we-are-losing-war

He's full of great ideas.

 :horrorsurprise:  Like I said earlier, something caused this guy to go bat crap crazy.  Drugs?, mental health issues?  Who knows.  It's really a shame there are people who think like this.

Nice find btw.

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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #84 on: September 20, 2013, 11:04:42 AM »
UPDATE:  I got blasted last night.  Was "on call" in my 9 am class today and absolutely nailed it.

Verdict: Case closed.

Also, i realized my shirt was on inside out on my walk to class and took it off and fixed it. :surprised:


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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #85 on: September 20, 2013, 11:16:50 AM »
dlew, welcome to the super smart guys club

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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #86 on: September 21, 2013, 12:38:23 AM »
yeah, should be fired by the school as well.

no, that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #87 on: September 21, 2013, 12:40:38 AM »
I mean, what kind of dr. scientist decides to err on the side of racist when making un-supported claims? we shouldn't have to teach budding Phd students that this is a bad idea but maybe we need to?

a guy that's built his entire career around publishing papers making exaggerated claims for contrarian positions on issues of popular interest?
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #88 on: September 21, 2013, 11:05:58 AM »

yeah, should be fired by the school as well.

no, that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

I don't see why keeping a shitty scientist on staff could be seen as a good idea when he's given them such an easy out.

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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #89 on: September 21, 2013, 11:06:32 AM »
I mean, what kind of dr. scientist decides to err on the side of racist when making un-supported claims? we shouldn't have to teach budding Phd students that this is a bad idea but maybe we need to?

a guy that's built his entire career around publishing papers making exaggerated claims for contrarian positions on issues of popular interest?

yeah, shitty scientist. I mean, oscar has built his career around being what he is but I still think we should fire him.

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« Reply #90 on: September 21, 2013, 11:08:58 AM »
i did not drink last weekend because i was really ill but i can guarendamntee you i am half lit today

add that to the emperical evidince

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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #91 on: September 21, 2013, 11:56:04 AM »
i did not drink last weekend because i was really ill but i can guarendamntee you i am half lit today

add that to the emperical evidince

You have to say something smart first.
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« Reply #92 on: September 21, 2013, 12:30:21 PM »
I don't see why keeping a shitty scientist on staff could be seen as a good idea when he's given them such an easy out.

i'm not prepared to say he's a shitty scientist.  i'd have to evaluate a lot of his research in order to do that.  but just by glancing at his cv, it's obvious he's attracted to controversial topics that have a lot of potential to crossover into the media outside of his professional field.  and that he either consciously or unconsciously manages his career to get a lot of popular press publicity.

i think that may indicate a certain bias in selecting research topics, and possibly in interpreting his data, but in and of itself it doesn't mean he's a poor scientist.


everyone is wrong sometimes.  if you're never wrong, your science is beyond boring, it's trivial.  the idea that a researcher can't attempt to publish flawed research on a controversial topic without risk of being fired is tantamount to choosing ignorance over unpalatable truth.  the idea that a researcher is risking his or her career to publish results that are not what the public would prefer to hear is among the most damaging messages that could possibly be sent to academia.


personally i think it's interesting that none of his critics (that i've seen) have proposed alternative explanations for his data.  the allegations don't include that he falsified data, but that his analyses were flawed.  the data are still relevant, and still interesting.  people that don't like kanazawa's analyses could more profitably spend their time exploring other hypotheses, and less on sad little witch hunts.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #93 on: September 21, 2013, 01:25:34 PM »
i did not drink last weekend because i was really ill but i can guarendamntee you i am half lit today

add that to the emperical evidince

You have to say something smart first.

something smart first boom roasted pass me a beer

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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #94 on: September 21, 2013, 04:48:30 PM »
i did not drink last weekend because i was really ill but i can guarendamntee you i am half lit today

add that to the emperical evidince

You have to say something smart first.

something smart first boom roasted pass me a beer

Being a smart ass is technically being smart so normally I could let you in the study if it wasn't for what's in bold.   :D

 :nono:  Not too smart Alexander.  Might need to have a couple more then come back. 
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Re: I've Noticed goEMAW Is Almost 100% Boozehounds
« Reply #95 on: September 21, 2013, 04:56:21 PM »

I don't see why keeping a shitty scientist on staff could be seen as a good idea when he's given them such an easy out.

i'm not prepared to say he's a shitty scientist.  i'd have to evaluate a lot of his research in order to do that.  but just by glancing at his cv, it's obvious he's attracted to controversial topics that have a lot of potential to crossover into the media outside of his professional field.  and that he either consciously or unconsciously manages his career to get a lot of popular press publicity.

i think that may indicate a certain bias in selecting research topics, and possibly in interpreting his data, but in and of itself it doesn't mean he's a poor scientist.


everyone is wrong sometimes.  if you're never wrong, your science is beyond boring, it's trivial.  the idea that a researcher can't attempt to publish flawed research on a controversial topic without risk of being fired is tantamount to choosing ignorance over unpalatable truth.  the idea that a researcher is risking his or her career to publish results that are not what the public would prefer to hear is among the most damaging messages that could possibly be sent to academia.


personally i think it's interesting that none of his critics (that i've seen) have proposed alternative explanations for his data.  the allegations don't include that he falsified data, but that his analyses were flawed.  the data are still relevant, and still interesting.  people that don't like kanazawa's analyses could more profitably spend their time exploring other hypotheses, and less on sad little witch hunts.

You obviously know more about science stuff than I do. You must drink shitloads.

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« Reply #96 on: September 21, 2013, 05:32:06 PM »
i did not drink last weekend because i was really ill but i can guarendamntee you i am half lit today

add that to the emperical evidince

You have to say something smart first.



something smart first boom roasted pass me a beer

Being a smart ass is technically being smart so normally I could let you in the study if it wasn't for what's in bold.   :D

 :nono:  Not too smart Alexander.  Might need to have a couple more then come back.

AST is smart enough!

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« Reply #97 on: September 21, 2013, 08:45:46 PM »
I don't see why keeping a shitty scientist on staff could be seen as a good idea when he's given them such an easy out.

i'm not prepared to say he's a shitty scientist.  i'd have to evaluate a lot of his research in order to do that.  but just by glancing at his cv, it's obvious he's attracted to controversial topics that have a lot of potential to crossover into the media outside of his professional field.  and that he either consciously or unconsciously manages his career to get a lot of popular press publicity.

i think that may indicate a certain bias in selecting research topics, and possibly in interpreting his data, but in and of itself it doesn't mean he's a poor scientist.

everyone is wrong sometimes.  if you're never wrong, your science is beyond boring, it's trivial.  the idea that a researcher can't attempt to publish flawed research on a controversial topic without risk of being fired is tantamount to choosing ignorance over unpalatable truth.  the idea that a researcher is risking his or her career to publish results that are not what the public would prefer to hear is among the most damaging messages that could possibly be sent to academia.

personally i think it's interesting that none of his critics (that i've seen) have proposed alternative explanations for his data.  the allegations don't include that he falsified data, but that his analyses were flawed.  the data are still relevant, and still interesting.  people that don't like kanazawa's analyses could more profitably spend their time exploring other hypotheses, and less on sad little witch hunts.

It isn't a witch hunt if they correctly called him on improperly interpreting the data.  As for him, he could have easily submitted his findings for peer review prior to publishing.  He seems more interested in making a splash than being accurate.  That doesn't make him a good scientist, it makes him a dumbass publicity whore. 
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« Reply #98 on: September 21, 2013, 09:04:20 PM »
He seems more interested in making a splash than being accurate.  That doesn't make him a good scientist, it makes him a dumbass publicity whore.

it's perfectly possible to be both.

"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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« Reply #99 on: September 21, 2013, 11:18:10 PM »
i did not drink last weekend because i was really ill but i can guarendamntee you i am half lit today

add that to the emperical evidince

You have to say something smart first.

something smart first boom roasted pass me a beer

Being a smart ass is technically being smart so normally I could let you in the study if it wasn't for what's in bold.   :D

 :nono:  Not too smart Alexander.  Might need to have a couple more then come back.

I think you mean "smart-ass."  Ball's back in your court lopakman, pass me a beer.