Assessment of Waters

[Ira Hayes]

I thought Waters actually played pretty well. Should never have thrown the INT in-bounds, but it shows it was his 1st game. Much more disappointed in the o-line than in Waters. You can bash him all you want, but the lack of any run game showed that the line just wasn't there tonight. If we get more consistent line play, and w/ a few games' more experience, Waters will do very well.

Waters made the OLine look bad.  There is a reason a group of returners were great last year and bad this year.  The only variable is QB play.

Never ever heard anyone say that the QB made his oline look bad. Ever. How is that possible?

[Rage Against the McKee]

I thought Waters actually played pretty well. Should never have thrown the INT in-bounds, but it shows it was his 1st game. Much more disappointed in the o-line than in Waters. You can bash him all you want, but the lack of any run game showed that the line just wasn't there tonight. If we get more consistent line play, and w/ a few games' more experience, Waters will do very well.

Waters made the OLine look bad.  There is a reason a group of returners were great last year and bad this year.  The only variable is QB play.

Never ever heard anyone say that the QB made his oline look bad. Ever. How is that possible?

Obviously you have never watched Jeff George or Jake Waters play the game of football.

[kim carnes]

I thought Waters actually played pretty well. Should never have thrown the INT in-bounds, but it shows it was his 1st game. Much more disappointed in the o-line than in Waters. You can bash him all you want, but the lack of any run game showed that the line just wasn't there tonight. If we get more consistent line play, and w/ a few games' more experience, Waters will do very well.

Waters made the OLine look bad.  There is a reason a group of returners were great last year and bad this year.  The only variable is QB play.

Never ever heard anyone say that the QB made his oline look bad. Ever. How is that possible?

b/c waters sucks, thats how.  i swear that 90% of the people that post here are legally blind b/c there is no way that you could have watched the game tonight and not understand what _33 is saying.

[kostakio]

I think waters was ok.  We are still figuring out what this offense needs to be.  My guess is we will get it figured out at some point and be pretty good on offense.  We commonly look lke crap on offense in the first game.  More then anything i think bill just has to figure out what he wants to do.  If waters is the guy you have to commit to throwing the football.  If you don't want to do that then you have to play SAMs.  Either way I see it getting fixed but unfortunately the defense is another story and I don't see any potential answers there.

[chum1]

I thought Waters actually played pretty well. Should never have thrown the INT in-bounds, but it shows it was his 1st game. Much more disappointed in the o-line than in Waters. You can bash him all you want, but the lack of any run game showed that the line just wasn't there tonight. If we get more consistent line play, and w/ a few games' more experience, Waters will do very well.

Waters made the OLine look bad.  There is a reason a group of returners were great last year and bad this year.  The only variable is QB play.

Never ever heard anyone say that the QB made his oline look bad. Ever. How is that possible?

What they mean is that he failed to make his oline look amazing.  You know, the way Sams would have.  Because we decided long ago that, no matter what else happens, Sams makes this team the best in the history of college football when he is on the field.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think waters was ok.  We are still figuring out what this offense needs to be.  My guess is we will get it figured out at some point and be pretty good on offense.  We commonly look lke crap on offense in the first game.  More then anything i think bill just has to figure out what he wants to do.  If waters is the guy you have to commit to throwing the football.  If you don't want to do that then you have to play SAMs.  Either way I see it getting fixed but unfortunately the defense is another story and I don't see any potential answers there.

If you run the football you can have 9 minute drives like NDSU did to end the game. That makes your defense look a whole lot better.

[cDubya]

you know it's a bad loss when the hoopies are offering Ts and Ps   

Im going to take the high road,  and instead of adding insult to injury,  I'll just say cheers.

 

[j-von]

The fact is that it's silly to make any definitive statements at this point.  Bill now has a track record of not having players ready for the first game or last game of the season.

Klein squeaked out a 10-7 win vs. Eastern Kentucky 2 years ago in the opener.  Waters went 21/29 for 280 yards.  He may not be the answer for this team, but judging by past seasons, I'm not sure if we really know who this team is yet.

[HELLHAMMER]

Waters is dog crap guys.  My eyes don't lie to me.  Ever.

[puniraptor]

Waters is dog crap guys.  My eyes don't lie to me.  Ever.

my eyes saw my boy Daniel get the ball and then instantly score a touchdown.

[Berries and Cream]

Recent history would make one consider that Snyder is one of the best week-to-week coaches in existence and one of the worst out there when given a lot of time.

See every first game of the season since his return and bowl game since forever.

Does he overthink things? No idea. But the bottom line is our beloved K-State Cats stink when Snyder and co have a lot of time to prepare for the opponent.

That being said, I don't know what everyone is possibly debating. The o-line was awful and Waters wasn't very good beyond a few throws.

#life

[bones129]

Waters is dog crap guys.  My eyes don't lie to me.  Ever.

my eyes saw my boy Daniel get the ball and then instantly score a touchdown.

It's interesting how he does that.

[Pett]

Waters is exactly what we thought he would be. Great passer, so-so runner. He had an extreme case of happy feet in tonight's game (maybe nerves). Not to mention he had about three seconds to get rid of the ball before pressure was in his face

[Rage Against the McKee]

Waters is exactly what we thought he would be. Great passer, so-so runner. He had an extreme case of happy feet in tonight's game (maybe nerves). Not to mention he had about three seconds to get rid of the ball before pressure was in his face

3 seconds is all you can reasonably expect. Anything more than that is really good protection.

[MakeItRain]

I thought Waters actually played pretty well. Should never have thrown the INT in-bounds, but it shows it was his 1st game. Much more disappointed in the o-line than in Waters. You can bash him all you want, but the lack of any run game showed that the line just wasn't there tonight. If we get more consistent line play, and w/ a few games' more experience, Waters will do very well.

Waters made the OLine look bad.  There is a reason a group of returners were great last year and bad this year.  The only variable is QB play.

Never ever heard anyone say that the QB made his oline look bad. Ever. How is that possible?

Bad checks, bad reads, holding the ball too long, and happy feet are all things that can make an O line look bad. First year CK hung his O line out a lot because he refused to throw the ball away.

[MakeItRain]

Waters is exactly what we thought he would be. Great passer, so-so runner. He had an extreme case of happy feet in tonight's game (maybe nerves). Not to mention he had about three seconds to get rid of the ball before pressure was in his face

3 seconds is all you can reasonably expect. Anything more than that is really good protection.

This is correct. As it comes to a pass rush and pass protection I think the lines are getting too much grief. NDSU used a ton of three and five step drops. The QB didn't have the ball very long, they were perfectly content with 5 yard hitches, back shoulder throws, and quick slants. I'm not quite sure what we were doing with Waters.

[Panjandrum]

It honestly doesn't matter what we think of Waters.  Sams needs to play because it's the only way we are going to get production out of Hubert.  We have to have his running ability to open up opportunities for others.  Also, due to the defense, we are gonna need to drain clock.

Sams needs to start by Texas.

[GoodForAnother]

Waters is dog crap guys.  My eyes don't lie to me.  Ever.

my eyes saw my boy Daniel get the ball and then instantly score a touchdown.

he also got tackled later for no gain, fyi

[DOD Take 2]

I thought Waters actually played pretty well. Should never have thrown the INT in-bounds, but it shows it was his 1st game. Much more disappointed in the o-line than in Waters. You can bash him all you want, but the lack of any run game showed that the line just wasn't there tonight. If we get more consistent line play, and w/ a few games' more experience, Waters will do very well.

Waters made the OLine look bad.  There is a reason a group of returners were great last year and bad this year.  The only variable is QB play.

Never ever heard anyone say that the QB made his oline look bad. Ever. How is that possible?

Bad checks, bad reads, holding the ball too long, and happy feet are all things that can make an O line look bad. First year CK hung his O line out a lot because he refused to throw the ball away.

This. I saw him get good passing protection on most downs. He just wants to hold it too long and make a play. NDSU also blitzed quite a bit. I know a couple of those blitzes we didn't have enough guys to block them all, and Waters either didn't have a safety valve on the play or didn't utilize them. He should have been making checks with his receivers to expose the blitzes.

[ELL3]

He is (I think) the best white QB so he will keep the job
Since coming back ZERO black QB starts for Bill 

[felix rex]

loser

[timhawk]

Waters went 21-29 for 280 yards with 2 TD and 2 INT, that's not a bad game at all, pretty accurate if you ask me. you guys really need to be talking crap about Hubert...10 carries for 23 yards. and he is 1st team big 12 ahead of James Sims? lmao

[chum1]

Hubert's playing just fine.  He doesn't have a backup beloved by goEMAW, so I don't know what more you can expect out of him.

[timhawk]

Hubert's playing just fine.  He doesn't have a backup beloved by goEMAW, so I don't know what more you can expect out of him.

lol 10 carries for 23 yards is not "fine"

[Perry]

Because Hubert had so many holes to run through, right? He was smothered on most of those carries.