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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #100 on: September 01, 2013, 09:48:52 AM »
The recruiting this is kind of a big rough ridin' deal.  Missing out on the plethora of Juco kids that could have helped this shitty defense is going to cost this program. 


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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #101 on: September 01, 2013, 09:53:10 AM »
Better assistants could resolve this.

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #102 on: September 01, 2013, 10:00:37 AM »
2009 was a worse roster and situation. Spin it however you want but our quarterback was Carson Coffman, Snyder found Daniel Thomas and that was our entire offense for 2 years. And he juco'd and transfer'd us to being a game away from a MNC. Until we got to about 7-0 in 2011 the edgy crowd was dying to fire LHC Bill Snyder because the game had passed him by.

Yet we just finished a Big XII championship season. Mike Leach (who many on this board were in favor of) never won a Big XII 'ship. Gary Patterson has never won a Big XII home game. Maybe this is 2004, but maybe this is 2010 and next year is 2011.

Snyder will never be fired, and frankly he's earned that. Get over yourselves.

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #103 on: September 01, 2013, 10:01:27 AM »
How did he win 21 games the past two seasons? Since according to the edgy TCFS crowd he is terrible.

Transfers, prince leftovers and a few decent jucos.  Jesus, is it that hard to figure out?

So no credit given for transfers/good jucos or in season prep and coaching. Just complaining about recruiting and how old he is. Got it. I'll give the edgy crowd this, they dig in hard on these ones.

Thats his job, man

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #104 on: September 01, 2013, 10:02:07 AM »
2009 was a worse roster and situation. Spin it however you want but our quarterback was Carson Coffman, Snyder found Daniel Thomas and that was our entire offense for 2 years. And he juco'd and transfer'd us to being a game away from a MNC. Until we got to about 7-0 in 2011 the edgy crowd was dying to fire LHC LHC Bill Snyder because the game had passed him by.

Yet we just finished a Big XII championship season. Mike Leach (who many on this board were in favor of) never won a Big XII 'ship. Gary Patterson has never won a Big XII home game. Maybe this is 2004, but maybe this is 2010 and next year is 2011.

Snyder will never be fired, and frankly he's earned that. Get over yourselves.

prince found thomas you dumbass

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #105 on: September 01, 2013, 10:04:55 AM »
hey guys look how edgy he is

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #106 on: September 01, 2013, 11:29:29 AM »
I am extremely uncomfortable with the notion that someone has "earned the right" to never be fired.
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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #107 on: September 01, 2013, 11:30:33 AM »
I am extremely uncomfortable with the notion that someone has "earned the right" to never be fired.

well, you are not the average k-state fan then

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #108 on: September 01, 2013, 11:32:27 AM »
Carnes, I can't imagine living a day in your shoes. Seems so depressing.

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #109 on: September 01, 2013, 12:22:12 PM »
I am extremely uncomfortable with the notion that someone has "earned the right" to never be fired.

Baring a scandal, he's earned it.

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #110 on: September 01, 2013, 12:31:46 PM »
Cartier, sometimes melting down is the best way to cope. Just give it a shot.

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #111 on: September 01, 2013, 12:35:14 PM »
I hope Snyder doesn't get "fired," because only one other coach who had a statue of himself outside the stadium while he was an acting coach has ever been fired, and that is not the distinction you want.

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« Reply #112 on: September 01, 2013, 12:55:52 PM »
The hope has to be that Snyder realizes when its time to leave and retires without waiting too long. Guys like Snyder don't get fired; see Paterno, Bowden, etc.

Today was not the year to do that (IMO), but it could be next year.

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #113 on: September 01, 2013, 01:56:14 PM »
The hope has to be that Snyder realizes when its time to leave and retires without waiting too long. Guys like Snyder don't get fired; see Paterno, Bowden, etc.

Today was not the year to do that (IMO), but it could be next year.

He won't retire unless he feels like Sean is going to take over, IMO.  We're in a Bowden situation here.

I find it ironic that you mention those two names, and Bill was having a conversation with those specific two guys right around the time he retired the first time, and they told him not to do it.

Bill will be here until he's 80, if for no other reason than he wants his "family" to have a job at KSU.

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #114 on: September 01, 2013, 02:08:49 PM »
The hope has to be that Snyder realizes when its time to leave and retires without waiting too long. Guys like Snyder don't get fired; see Paterno, Bowden, etc.

Today was not the year to do that (IMO), but it could be next year.

He won't retire unless he feels like Sean is going to take over, IMO.  We're in a Bowden situation here.

I find it ironic that you mention those two names, and Bill was having a conversation with those specific two guys right around the time he retired the first time, and they told him not to do it.

Bill will be here until he's 80, if for no other reason than he wants his "family" to have a job at KSU.

Things could get super interesting in a see-how-mediocre-we-can-become-without-firing-Bill way.  I mean, no one will come work for him that has any real chance at becoming an elite coach because Sean.  so, if this is what happens, we are in for a game of chicken between an AD who has had crazy success and has been looking for another job and the coach that 90% of fans believe has earned the right to burn it down at his whim. 

What is going to happen is that he will out wait currie.  currie will get his other gig in the next few yrs, Bill will become the AD, Sean the HC, then Bill will retire a yr or two later once he has a Sean friendly AD locked up.

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #115 on: September 01, 2013, 02:26:12 PM »
Bill would be the worst AD in the history of America, BTW.

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #116 on: September 01, 2013, 02:29:06 PM »
fans aren't really willing to let Snyder burn it down, it's just easy to say that after recent success. 2 years in a row of bad football and everyone will start getting pissed...even the tucks. they'll adopt a "thanks for everything but you have to go now" attitude. nobody wants to see a legend tarnish his own legacy.

the problem is it will probably take two consecutive years without a bowl game.
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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #117 on: September 01, 2013, 02:31:27 PM »
The hope has to be that Snyder realizes when its time to leave and retires without waiting too long. Guys like Snyder don't get fired; see Paterno, Bowden, etc.

Today was not the year to do that (IMO), but it could be next year.

He won't retire unless he feels like Sean is going to take over, IMO.  We're in a Bowden situation here.

I find it ironic that you mention those two names, and Bill was having a conversation with those specific two guys right around the time he retired the first time, and they told him not to do it.

Bill will be here until he's 80, if for no other reason than he wants his "family" to have a job at KSU.

Things could get super interesting in a see-how-mediocre-we-can-become-without-firing-Bill way.  I mean, no one will come work for him that has any real chance at becoming an elite coach because Sean.  so, if this is what happens, we are in for a game of chicken between an AD who has had crazy success and has been looking for another job and the coach that 90% of fans believe has earned the right to burn it down at his whim. 

What is going to happen is that he will out wait currie.  currie will get his other gig in the next few yrs, Bill will become the AD, Sean the HC, then Bill will retire a yr or two later once he has a Sean friendly AD locked up.

Bill won't become the AD.  Schulz wouldn't go for that.  Nor do I think he wants it.

Sean won't ever be the coach.  I think Bill really knows that deep down.  I firmly believe that Bill is still here because he brought all of these guys back, and now he can't leave because he has no one on his staff that is a no brainer to promote.  Because of that, he knows he asked all of these guys to leave their decent gigs (Smith, Dimel, Joe Bob, etc.) to help him rebuild, and he knows that the second he steps down, they're all looking for jobs outside of KSU, including Sean.  I think he urged Joe Bob and Smith to leave for that reason.

He's just going to hang out and play figurehead until the majority of them are ready to retire.  Mo, Del, and Hayes will just walk out with him and hang it up.  Dana may have a shot at coaching at a lower division school for a few years until he is ready.  Seiler and Coleman got big breaks via KSU, so they're now set to continue coaching for the rest of their lives.  The only guy that is really screwed is Sean.  So, Bill is going to stay until his crew is taken care of, and then he'll go.

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #118 on: September 01, 2013, 02:40:31 PM »
The needs of the "many"

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #119 on: September 01, 2013, 02:51:12 PM »
I am extremely uncomfortable with the notion that someone has "earned the right" to never be fired.

Baring a scandal, he's earned it.

Nope. Denied. Cats football is not a pension plan.
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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #120 on: September 01, 2013, 03:24:26 PM »
Snyder has earned the right to never be fired and he's also a terrific coach so we should hope Currie doesn't fire him.

And he's not going to ever get fired so keep talking about it if you'd like but it's never ever ever going to happen.


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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #121 on: September 01, 2013, 04:03:40 PM »
he should of stepped down after last year and gone out "on top". if we don't make a bowl game this year he has to step down after this year otherwise it is going to end up looking exactly like 04 and 05.

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #122 on: September 01, 2013, 04:09:45 PM »
I don't know how anyone can argue that a conference championship shouldn't buy a coach five additional years.  And seriously entertaining the idea that Snyder should be on a short leash is one of this site's biggest delusions.

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« Reply #123 on: September 01, 2013, 04:59:09 PM »
We will go to a bowl next season for sure and maybe this season
2014 will be his last season
If we are wildly successful maybe Sean
If we are moderately successful or not good then Sean will keep his current gig and Currie will hire someone like Houston Nutt or Jeff Tedford   

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Re: We can do better than Snyder
« Reply #124 on: September 01, 2013, 05:02:39 PM »
Guys like Snyder don't get fired; see Paterno, Bowden, etc.
I get your point but Bowden was forced out. He wasn't even given one final season