U.S.-NATO Missiles/Bombs on Syria within 15 to 25 days . . .

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL @ Ell.

Welp, here's to more war kids.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Guys, seriously.

GWB >>>> Obama.  This is not even arguable, just stop.
You can have a budget "surplus" and still increase the deficit (see Clinton's surplus year).  This is not arguable either.


Anyone else think its funny that the admin is taking the position they decided not to bomb syria, as if it were a choice after Putin saved the day?  Syria and Russia are puppet mastering b.o., and it is just sad and pathetic for all us 'mericans.

[OregonSmock]

Sniff sniff... I smell Fox News talking points.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Sniff sniff... I smell Fox News talking points.

Looking forward to you "Guys, Obama sucks" thread, you rough ridin' loser.

[ednksu]

I love how no educated view of the Syria situation gives as much credit to Putin as the radical right does.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I love how no educated view of the Syria situation gives as much credit to Obama as the mentally handicapped libtard does.

Seriously, what decision did Obama make that wasn't made for him? 

[ednksu]

I love how no educated view of the Syria situation gives as much credit to Obama as the mentally handicapped libtard does.

Seriously, what decision did Obama make that wasn't made for him?

I'm sorry I can hear you over the sound of Obama rubbing his nuts all over your face. 

I mean its not like one remark didn't solve Obamas issue with the hypocrite cowards in congress, remove Syria's biggest deterrent, neuter Russia's ENTIRE position on Syria, and give him the out of a diplomatic solution through negotiations with Russia without involving Syria pretty much at all.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So you agree Putin did it all, great

[OregonSmock]

Obama gets Putin and Russia to help the US with Syria, and ultimately avert war:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24100296

The US-Russia deal on Syria's chemical weapons is a "victory" that averts war, a Syrian minister says.

The framework document says Syria must provide full details of its stockpile within a week - with the chemical arsenal eliminated by mid-2014.

If Syria fails to comply, the deal could be enforced by a UN resolution with the use of force as a last resort.

The US had threatened to attack Syria which it blames for a chemical attack in August which killed hundreds.

President Bashar al-Assad's government denies the allegations and has accused the rebels of carrying out the attack.

Syria recently agreed to join the global Chemical Weapons Convention, and the UN said it would come under the treaty from 14 October.

The framework deal was announced on Saturday after three days of talks in Geneva by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry.

"We welcome the agreement," Syrian Reconciliation Minister Ali Haidar told Russian news agency Ria Novosti, giving his country's first reaction.

"On the one hand, it helps Syria come out of the crisis and, on the other, it helps avoid the war against Syria depriving those who wanted to launch it of arguments to do so," Mr Haidar said.

"It's a victory for Syria achieved thanks to our Russian friends."

China, France, the UK, the UN, the Arab League and Nato have all expressed satisfaction at the agreement.

On Saturday, US President Barack Obama said in a statement that the deal was an "important step" but urged Syria to "live up to its public commitments".

"If diplomacy fails, the United States remains prepared to act," he said. The Pentagon said the US military was still in position for military strikes.

In an interview with the ABC network on Sunday, Mr Obama confirmed that he had exchanged letters about Syria with newly-elected Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

In an allusion to the dispute between Iran and the West over Iran's nuclear programme, Mr Obama said: "What they should draw from this lesson is that there is the potential of resolving these issues diplomatically."

"My view is that if you have both a credible threat of force, combined with a rigorous diplomatic effort… you can strike a deal," Mr Obama added.

French President Francois Hollande also said on Sunday that the military option should remain on the table.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Bmwjhawk agrees as well. 

[ednksu]

So you agree Putin did it all, great

God I love it when you expose yourself like this.

[ednksu]

Hey Fake, who's best interests, goals, or agendas were accomplished here?  And who is doing the bitch work?

[OregonSmock]

Obama's military threat bluffed Putin into taking action:

Mr Netanyahu said: "What the past few days have shown is something that I have been saying for quite some time, that if diplomacy has any chance to work, it must be coupled with a credible military threat."

No money spent, not a single bomb dropped, not a single American soldier killed.  War averted.  Way to go, 'merica!


 

[sonofdaxjones]

The people trying to survive in Syria want to know when this war is going to get averted.

Just because the U.S. isn't dropping guided munitions and pumping cruise missile into Syria doesn't mean war has been "averted", in fact, the U.S. is doing everything it can to fuel the war short of direct intervention.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Obama's military threat bluffed Putin into taking action:

Mr Netanyahu said: "What the past few days have shown is something that I have been saying for quite some time, that if diplomacy has any chance to work, it must be coupled with a credible military threat."

No money spent, not a single bomb dropped, not a single American soldier killed.  War averted.  Way to go, 'merica!


 

Oh, I see, we're re-writing the story and editing stuff out.  Why didn't you just say so from the beginning?

FWIW, I like this "Obama Forrest gumped his way to the best possible solution" version.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The people trying to survive in Syria want to know when this war is going to get averted.

Just because the U.S. isn't dropping guided munitions and pumping cruise missile into Syria doesn't mean war has been "averted", in fact, the U.S. is doing everything it can to fuel the war short of direct intervention.

Don't worry, Dax..

Obama stupided it out so Putin, Assad and the UN get it all resolved, which was his plan all along as evidenced by his secretary of states repeated gaffes, his diligent and failed attempt to garner public support to bomb Syria and his pathetic attempt to try and distinguish Syria from Iraq.  Just brilliant politicking, I can't see anything wrong going on here.  Piece in the middle east achieved.

[felix rex]

The people trying to survive in Syria want to know when this war is going to get averted.

Just because the U.S. isn't dropping guided munitions and pumping cruise missile into Syria doesn't mean war has been "averted", in fact, the U.S. is doing everything it can to fuel the war short of direct intervention.

Dax, what should happen in Syria? Serious question. I don't really follow it. Should the international community or the US have any role or do we just let it play out?

[sonofdaxjones]

The people trying to survive in Syria want to know when this war is going to get averted.

Just because the U.S. isn't dropping guided munitions and pumping cruise missile into Syria doesn't mean war has been "averted", in fact, the U.S. is doing everything it can to fuel the war short of direct intervention.

Dax, what should happen in Syria? Serious question. I don't really follow it. Should the international community or the US have any role or do we just let it play out?

Hard to say now, but you gotta figure that if the so called "freedom fighters" are 2.5 years into this, and they appear to still be a long way from toppling the regime, that this thing probably isn't going to happen without a serious ratcheting up of hostilities.   Plus you've got Saudi Arabia and Turkey and others supporting the really, really bad guys IMO.   

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The people trying to survive in Syria want to know when this war is going to get averted.

Just because the U.S. isn't dropping guided munitions and pumping cruise missile into Syria doesn't mean war has been "averted", in fact, the U.S. is doing everything it can to fuel the war short of direct intervention.

Dax, what should happen in Syria? Serious question. I don't really follow it. Should the international community or the US have any role or do we just let it play out?

According to Obama a limited military strike should be threatened which will cause Putin to make fun of the US and cut a "genuine" deal with Syria and end any threat of US involvement in Syria forever.  Chemical Weapon usage was just window dressing for lib war hawks, to be erased from memory now that the lib war doves have their incredulous story worked out.


Edna, please confirm this is correct

[ednksu]

The people trying to survive in Syria want to know when this war is going to get averted.

Just because the U.S. isn't dropping guided munitions and pumping cruise missile into Syria doesn't mean war has been "averted", in fact, the U.S. is doing everything it can to fuel the war short of direct intervention.

Don't worry, Dax..

Obama stupided it out so Putin, Assad and the UN get it all resolved, which was his plan all along as evidenced by his secretary of states repeated gaffes, his diligent and failed attempt to garner public support to bomb Syria and his pathetic attempt to try and distinguish Syria from Iraq.  Just brilliant politicking, I can't see anything wrong going on here.  Piece in the middle east achieved.

So bubbling, gaffing, failures have been able to accomplish almost all their goals (in this micro issue) without going to war, what does that say for Russia's foreign policy team?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

This reminds me of when Forrest gump made all that money on some fruit company called "apple" and Edna was calling him the next Peter lynch.

[ednksu]

This reminds me of when Forrest gump made all that money on some fruit company called "apple" and Edna was calling him the next Peter lynch.

this reminds me of that movie where closet racist neo cons did everything to obstruct the first black president agenda and the president repeatedly dragged his nuts all over the neo cons' hopes and dreams to regress this country to pre 1929.

[sonofdaxjones]

This reminds me of when Forrest gump made all that money on some fruit company called "apple" and Edna was calling him the next Peter lynch.

this reminds me of that movie where closet racist neo cons did everything to obstruct the first black president agenda and the president repeatedly dragged his nuts all over the neo cons' hopes and dreams to regress this country to pre 1929.

How many times is the race card going to get dropped in this thread??

This administration is sending weapons to the "rebels" in Syria, this president signed an executive order telling the CIA to assist in the overthrow of the Assad regime 2 years ago.   This administration is literally doing  this in hopes the weapons they're sending don't end up in the hands of AQ elements and theocratic dictatorships that the United States props up in the Middle East are sending weapons (like with the assistance of the CIA) to hardcore Islamist "freedom fighters".   The only reason the U.S. isn't already bombing Syria is because this administration couldn't gin up enough support to do so. 

Yet, the best you got is to toss out the race card . . . again??

[sonofdaxjones]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/168572849/20130915-ISTeams-Ghouta-Rreport

The International Institute for Peace, Justice and Human Rights has put out their own report about the alleged Syrian Gov't Chemical Attack and they have serious doubts. 

Most alarming is their claim that kidnapped Alawite children were identified in the videos of the gas attack victims.   They're also claiming that much of the video and pictures from the victims is staged and that the entire situation needs to be investigated.   

[ednksu]

This reminds me of when Forrest gump made all that money on some fruit company called "apple" and Edna was calling him the next Peter lynch.

this reminds me of that movie where closet racist neo cons did everything to obstruct the first black president agenda and the president repeatedly dragged his nuts all over the neo cons' hopes and dreams to regress this country to pre 1929.

How many times is the race card going to get dropped in this thread??

This administration is sending weapons to the "rebels" in Syria, this president signed an executive order telling the CIA to assist in the overthrow of the Assad regime 2 years ago.   This administration is literally doing  this in hopes the weapons they're sending don't end up in the hands of AQ elements and theocratic dictatorships that the United States props up in the Middle East are sending weapons (like with the assistance of the CIA) to hardcore Islamist "freedom fighters".   The only reason the U.S. isn't already bombing Syria is because this administration couldn't gin up enough support to do so. 

Yet, the best you got is to toss out the race card . . . again??

The issue is that somehow, now we have passed this magical red line for neo cons like Fake, that suddenly the US is being too much of an interventionist.  Note how there is not direct attempt to refute how Obama's team lucked out on this and solved the majority of their micro issues with Syria.  At a certain point we have to step back from the rhetoric and see what is being said and when it started.  The disparagement of Obama started for a reason from certain sectors and its continued for 5+ years for certain reasons.  Maybe if he had the executive board from Halliburton making his war plans it would go over better for people like Fake.


And as far as the freedom fighters issue, you should really look into who is fighting what, where.  Its absolutely absurd to say we are arming Al Nursra.  Yes I'd imagine the Saudis and Quartaries are, but not us, not through us, or by the direction of us.  Now I'd probably go with a theory that we are letting them live because they are sapping the strength of the regime, but that only goes so far.