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Offline PurpleOil

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21950 on: October 07, 2020, 06:41:31 AM »
Fun fact, if K-state wins next week and ku loses, they will officially have more program losses all time (654 vs 653)

It's official now, they have more losses than us

This is amazing. Rough calcs estimate that we will overtake them in the wins column in 5-8 years (K-State averaging 8 wins/year and KU averaging 2-3 wins/year). Obviously this could change depending upon how many Dr. Peppers Klieman brings us.

At this point it'll be intriguing to see who hits 600 wins first.

We'll have that answer in the same 5-8 years. They're 14 games away, and we're 59. Again, can they win 2-3 games a season consistently, and can we get back to our 9-11 win seasons?

It'll be interesting to watch.

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21951 on: October 07, 2020, 06:48:39 PM »
I looked at the phog yesterday for the first time in a while, and this thread has more activity than the football board  :frown:

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Is KState more envious of our basketball program than we are of their football?

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21952 on: October 07, 2020, 07:44:35 PM »


Quote from: the phog
Is KState more envious of our basketball program than we are of their football?
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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21953 on: October 07, 2020, 07:46:52 PM »


Quote from: the phog
Is KState more envious of our basketball program than we are of their football?
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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21954 on: October 07, 2020, 08:00:17 PM »
Didn’t realize they snagged that WR to begin with, him and Devin Neal would have been far superior to what we have at WR and RB.
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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21955 on: October 07, 2020, 09:19:47 PM »
Didn’t realize they snagged that WR to begin with, him and Devin Neal would have been far superior to what we have at WR and RB.

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21956 on: October 08, 2020, 02:22:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/jessenewell/status/1314283867071807494

Eff. It sounds like he wasn't taking it very seriously, but I hope he's ok!

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21957 on: October 08, 2020, 02:32:12 PM »
Miles to go

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21958 on: October 08, 2020, 02:34:25 PM »
Miles to go

This is a time for civility, not division.

On a separate note, this could save KUAD tens of millions.

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21959 on: October 08, 2020, 02:34:57 PM »
Definitely hoping for the best for him and his family. crap is not a joke for someone his age.

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21960 on: October 08, 2020, 02:37:31 PM »
Miles to go

This is a time for civility, not division.

On a separate note, this could save KUAD tens of millions.
lmao

But seriously get well soon Les.


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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21961 on: October 08, 2020, 02:38:49 PM »
:frown:
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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21963 on: October 08, 2020, 02:47:19 PM »
Les might suck as a coach, but he seems to be a really nice dude.  This really sucks.  I hope he recovers fast and none of the other KU players, coaches, or staff gets it from him.     
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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21964 on: October 08, 2020, 02:49:15 PM »
yes, he is very likable.

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21965 on: October 08, 2020, 03:08:26 PM »
"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21966 on: October 08, 2020, 03:34:11 PM »
I would say K-State fans are more envious of KU's basketball program, because KU football has about 17 fans. 

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21967 on: October 08, 2020, 03:37:21 PM »
get well soon Les  :frown:


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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21968 on: October 08, 2020, 03:42:49 PM »
Wow, that's a real kick in the nuts just as ku was about to find their groove
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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21969 on: October 08, 2020, 03:52:49 PM »
ku should take this opportunity to sit out the rest of the season and avoid 100 in 10

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21970 on: October 08, 2020, 04:28:27 PM »
So I decided to do some digging to see what the race to 600 wins actually looks like. My research has turned up some interesting history.


KU first fielded a football team in 1890 while K-State didn't have an official football game until 1896. Also worth mentioning is that KU almost immediately joined a conference playing games while K-State was independent with its programs and only scheduled a handful a year. In the first 10 years of KU football from 1890 until 1899, KU played 77 total games winning 57 of those.


K-State only played 15 games in that same time period, going 4-7 with 4 ties.


The next 12 years were a mix of independence and conference affiliation for KU, and total independence for the good guys in Manhattan. KU played 120 games during this stretch and had a record of 78-32 with 10 ties. K-State played 108 games during that stretch with a record of 63-41 and 4 ties. That brings the total records for KU and K-State at the start of the 1913 football season to 135-50-12 and 67-48-8 respectively. That's 197 games compared to 123, of which they've won 68 more than K-State. Why is 1913 important? Well, that's the year that K-State finally dropped its independent status and joined the Missouri Valley Conference, of which KU was already a member. The MVC as you know, eventually led to the creation the Big 6 in 1928, the Big 7 in 1948, the Big 8 in 1960, and then the Big 12 for 1996.


So essentially, the current lead for KU is entirely due to them playing football in a time when most people literally rode horses everywhere and electricity was still a new thing that most people didn't have. Now, full disclosure, there are some conflicts as to how many games took place during this early time frame and how many wins each program truly has depending upon your source for information. We are talking about the 19th century here. For my following analysis, I used Winsipedia.com for both programs.



Okay, so that may not come as a giant surprise to some of you super sports history buff types, but it did to me. However, it's one thing to tell you about it, but what about showing it to you?




If you graph every official game played for both schools and put it on a chart, this is what you get. You can click on any of these graphs to enlarge.




Damn, they're so close. We don't stand a chance, right!? Well, let's take a closer look at the trajectory of these two programs.

As I said before, K-State joined a conference with KU in 1913. So if we wipe away all the horse drawn carriages and inflated pig stomachs that use to constitute a "football" game, this is what things look like. Again, you can click on the graph to enlarge.




Okay, that looks a little more interesting. So counting ONLY the last 107 years, we can see that K-State is doing better than we though But again, that blue line only has to reach ~ 465 in this graph while K-State basically has to reach 500.






But does it look like adjusting the timeline again? Well, the Coaches Poll was started in 1950, and people like nice round numbers. So here's the last 70 years of football.




Uh oh Jayhawk fans. You're starting to level off pretty fast.



Most consider 1992 to be the beginning of the modern era of football. This was when the 85 Scholarship Limit went into effect, the first FBS Conference Championship Game finally took place, and it was the beginning of the Bowl Coalition. No collegiate athletes were alive prior to this time, so this is all they've known. Here's what it looks like now.




Wow




Finally, here's the modern college football era, including all previous wins.





You'll notice that the last segment in their graph is flat, because they haven't won a game yet in 2020, and ours only has a slight slope accounting for the 2 wins we have so far.

Now I don't have a crystal ball, but based on their trajectory in the last 30 years and ours, this race is going to be really close!



Hopefully Les can stick around in one sense or another to see the exciting finish!

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21971 on: October 08, 2020, 04:32:19 PM »
Outstanding work PurpleOil.  I vote that you get Greg's press credentials

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21972 on: October 08, 2020, 04:34:17 PM »
Greg could definitely learn a thing or two from purp about gumption
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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21973 on: October 08, 2020, 04:40:34 PM »
As per usual, first to a space owns that space. Nice charts though.

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Re: KU football is going through a rough patch
« Reply #21974 on: October 08, 2020, 04:41:06 PM »