Small time Kansas

[TheBoatsman]

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=178&f=2515&t=11678122
After reading this insane thread I just feel dwarfed by everything that is North Carolina.  They cheat better and they dig up the dirt about cheating better.  Our KSU, KU, MU dynamic around here feels so very trivial.  It's like we are a group of families who ended up staying at the Ramadadome at the same time and fighting over our shitty kids and their towels but at the same time not really caring while UNC and NCSTATE are the Hatfield's and McCoy's.

[steve dave]

well, to be fair, nobody outside of NC really gives a crap about college basketball.

[TheBoatsman]

Kentucky?

[sonofdaxjones]

Ya know, with Larry Brown and Bill Self, at least you got/get a, "we're sleazy as $hit, whatcha gonna do about it" vibe.

Roy Williams; he brought that UNC style propaganda machine, "we're clean, these good kids, we do it the right way" to ku, and the kutucks ate it up and drank the kool-aid all day long.   It's even worse with UNC fans, they are in a state of denial the dwarfs anything at ku.

But more power to them, if the NCAA is just gonna keep looking the other way, just keep going.

[sonofdaxjones]

I will add that Kansas isn't so small time in one sense . . . no other school has more former athletic department employees in Federal Prison.   For running a ticket scalping/money laundering scheme so well, that not even the athletic director or anybody else knew anything about     .   You know you're good at cheating when the opening article (by a ku butt suck reporter no less) implicates former players in this scheme, people go to Federal Prison and the NCAA doesn't seem to really care.   

UNC got absolutely nothing for running what was obviously a systemic program of academic fraud to get basketball players passing grades, and the NCAA ruled that it was an "institutional" problem, not an athletic department issue.   

All which adds to the ongoing question . . . why aren't we cheating our butts off?   Oregon get a slap on the wrist for handing out thousands of dollars to recruit funnelers.   When the ruling came out, the entire panel on College Football Tonight was absolutely verklempt, and ESPN swings hard on Oregon's nuts.

[Havs]

well, to be fair, nobody outside of NC really gives a crap about college basketball.

 

http://row27.com/project/lets-be-mad-again

[timhawk]

another KU thread...*sigh*

[Havs]

another KU thread...*sigh*

To be fair, this thread talks about K-State and KU evenly.

[Dugout DickStone]

Kentucky?

they would much rather be good at football.  They'd trade basketball for .500 football.

[Rage Against the McKee]

another KU thread...*sigh*

It's a North Carolina thread.

[deputy dawg]

I will add that Kansas isn't so small time in one sense . . . no other school has more former athletic department employees in Federal Prison.   For running a ticket scalping/money laundering scheme so well, that not even the athletic director or anybody else knew anything about     .   You know you're good at cheating when the opening article (by a ku butt suck reporter no less) implicates former players in this scheme, people go to Federal Prison and the NCAA doesn't seem to really care.   

UNC got absolutely nothing for running what was obviously a systemic program of academic fraud to get basketball players passing grades, and the NCAA ruled that it was an "institutional" problem, not an athletic department issue.   

All which adds to the ongoing question . . . why aren't we cheating our butts off?   Oregon get a slap on the wrist for handing out thousands of dollars to recruit funnelers.   When the ruling came out, the entire panel on College Football Tonight was absolutely verklempt, and ESPN swings hard on Oregon's nuts.

Well, why aren't we cheating our butts off?  A couple of reasons come to mind.
1.  A high-climber athletic director that wants a bigger and better job, and who has the perception that a clean program on his watch will get him up the ladder.
2.  A history of NCAA, as you noted above, of being "hands off" with some programs, while bringing the hammer down on other.  K-State's risk is that we'd be treated like "the other" programs, and would get smacked pretty hard.

Maybe we need a poll to gauge the attitude on cheating on a larger scale, and more often.[/list]

[Shacks]

I will add that Kansas isn't so small time in one sense . . . no other school has more former athletic department employees in Federal Prison.   For running a ticket scalping/money laundering scheme so well, that not even the athletic director or anybody else knew anything about     .   You know you're good at cheating when the opening article (by a ku butt suck reporter no less) implicates former players in this scheme, people go to Federal Prison and the NCAA doesn't seem to really care.   

UNC got absolutely nothing for running what was obviously a systemic program of academic fraud to get basketball players passing grades, and the NCAA ruled that it was an "institutional" problem, not an athletic department issue.   

All which adds to the ongoing question . . . why aren't we cheating our butts off?   Oregon get a slap on the wrist for handing out thousands of dollars to recruit funnelers.   When the ruling came out, the entire panel on College Football Tonight was absolutely verklempt, and ESPN swings hard on Oregon's nuts.

Well, why aren't we cheating our butts off?  A couple of reasons come to mind.
1.  A high-climber athletic director that wants a bigger and better job, and who has the perception that a clean program on his watch will get him up the ladder.
2.  A history of NCAA, as you noted above, of being "hands off" with some programs, while bringing the hammer down on other.  K-State's risk is that we'd be treated like "the other" programs, and would get smacked pretty hard.

Maybe we need a poll to gauge the attitude on cheating on a larger scale, and more often.[/list]

For point #2, who cares.  I mean, I agree with your belief but I also think the reward greatly outweighs the risk.  Roll the dice and see what happens.  If we don't cheat while oscar is our coach, we'll be just as awful as if the NCAA carpet bombed us for rampant cheating.  At least if we cheated our asses off, we'd have a chance at some glory before getting mumped by the long dick of the NCAA.

[CyberToothCat]

I will add that Kansas isn't so small time in one sense . . . no other school has more former athletic department employees in Federal Prison.   For running a ticket scalping/money laundering scheme so well, that not even the athletic director or anybody else knew anything about     .   You know you're good at cheating when the opening article (by a ku butt suck reporter no less) implicates former players in this scheme, people go to Federal Prison and the NCAA doesn't seem to really care.   

UNC got absolutely nothing for running what was obviously a systemic program of academic fraud to get basketball players passing grades, and the NCAA ruled that it was an "institutional" problem, not an athletic department issue.   

All which adds to the ongoing question . . . why aren't we cheating our butts off?   Oregon get a slap on the wrist for handing out thousands of dollars to recruit funnelers.   When the ruling came out, the entire panel on College Football Tonight was absolutely verklempt, and ESPN swings hard on Oregon's nuts.

Well, why aren't we cheating our butts off?  A couple of reasons come to mind.
1.  A high-climber athletic director that wants a bigger and better job, and who has the perception that a clean program on his watch will get him up the ladder.
2.  A history of NCAA, as you noted above, of being "hands off" with some programs, while bringing the hammer down on other.  K-State's risk is that we'd be treated like "the other" programs, and would get smacked pretty hard.

Maybe we need a poll to gauge the attitude on cheating on a larger scale, and more often.[/list]

For point #2, who cares.  I mean, I agree with your belief but I also think the reward greatly outweighs the risk.  Roll the dice and see what happens.  If we don't cheat while oscar is our coach, we'll be just as awful as if the NCAA carpet bombed us for rampant cheating.  At least if we cheated our asses off, we'd have a chance at some glory before getting mumped by the long dick of the NCAA.

Unless it was just completely blatant (like giving wads of cash to recruits while NCAA reps stand next to us and watch), I don't even think we'd get long dicked.

You're nuts if you think there was no cheating going on while Huggins and Martin roamed the sideline.  And look what happened: We are a regular in the NCAAs again, we actually had a couple of former players make it to the NBA, we have a full arena and good atmosphere.  And we had ZERO punishment handed down by the NCAA.  It was totally worth it.  I agree that the reward totally outweighs the risk.  It would take decades for us to get our level of cheating up to the heights of schools like KU or Kentucky, but there's no reason not to try.