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Quote from: treysolid on February 10, 2020, 01:01:21 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 08:11:15 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 06:35:00 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 04:24:07 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 02:16:44 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 02:02:01 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 01:04:32 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 12:39:55 AMAs of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years. But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history. If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening. then why do your alarmist idiot friends constantly talk about sea ice, sea ice extent, sea ice density and then try to scare the crap out of everybody while spending copious amounts of cash monitoring all of that stuff?The science behind what's happening? That's there's ice at the poles??The science behind the apparent paradox that sea ice coverage around antarctica is actually increasing despite the fact that the southern ocean is actually warming faster (0.17 degrees/decade) than the average for all the oceans (0.1 degree/decade). Ozone depletion above the antarctic is leading to a cooling of the stratosphere, which leads to an increase in the strength of antarctic cyclones and the more drastic disruption of sea ice. This increased disruption leads to the increased formation of polynyas, which in turn increases the rate of ice formation. Also, increased precipitation (due to warmer air) keeps low salinity water at the surface (which is cold) from mixing, with the deeper, saltier water (which is warmer), so less warm water is getting pulled up to the surface and therefore less sea ice melts as a result.Fantastic, but sea ice extent in the Antarctic as of right now is still running at the lower portion of the range since accurate recording began. In fact, as of right now, it's running at about a half million square kilometers below the peaks of this time year of the range as recorded over the last 10 to 20 years or so, albeit as of right now there is more ice in the Antarctic than there as been at this same time in the previous 4 years. lol wutuhh...so as you can see, we are definitely at the peak of this nadir and, uh...we are decelerating more quickly even though our inertia, uh, seems to be holding us back from continuing on, and, ummm, uhhhhhTapout noted. You know exactly what I said, you just don't like the fact that I bothered to look at the actual data.
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 08:11:15 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 06:35:00 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 04:24:07 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 02:16:44 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 02:02:01 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 01:04:32 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 12:39:55 AMAs of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years. But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history. If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening. then why do your alarmist idiot friends constantly talk about sea ice, sea ice extent, sea ice density and then try to scare the crap out of everybody while spending copious amounts of cash monitoring all of that stuff?The science behind what's happening? That's there's ice at the poles??The science behind the apparent paradox that sea ice coverage around antarctica is actually increasing despite the fact that the southern ocean is actually warming faster (0.17 degrees/decade) than the average for all the oceans (0.1 degree/decade). Ozone depletion above the antarctic is leading to a cooling of the stratosphere, which leads to an increase in the strength of antarctic cyclones and the more drastic disruption of sea ice. This increased disruption leads to the increased formation of polynyas, which in turn increases the rate of ice formation. Also, increased precipitation (due to warmer air) keeps low salinity water at the surface (which is cold) from mixing, with the deeper, saltier water (which is warmer), so less warm water is getting pulled up to the surface and therefore less sea ice melts as a result.Fantastic, but sea ice extent in the Antarctic as of right now is still running at the lower portion of the range since accurate recording began. In fact, as of right now, it's running at about a half million square kilometers below the peaks of this time year of the range as recorded over the last 10 to 20 years or so, albeit as of right now there is more ice in the Antarctic than there as been at this same time in the previous 4 years. lol wutuhh...so as you can see, we are definitely at the peak of this nadir and, uh...we are decelerating more quickly even though our inertia, uh, seems to be holding us back from continuing on, and, ummm, uhhhhh
Quote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 06:35:00 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 04:24:07 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 02:16:44 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 02:02:01 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 01:04:32 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 12:39:55 AMAs of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years. But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history. If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening. then why do your alarmist idiot friends constantly talk about sea ice, sea ice extent, sea ice density and then try to scare the crap out of everybody while spending copious amounts of cash monitoring all of that stuff?The science behind what's happening? That's there's ice at the poles??The science behind the apparent paradox that sea ice coverage around antarctica is actually increasing despite the fact that the southern ocean is actually warming faster (0.17 degrees/decade) than the average for all the oceans (0.1 degree/decade). Ozone depletion above the antarctic is leading to a cooling of the stratosphere, which leads to an increase in the strength of antarctic cyclones and the more drastic disruption of sea ice. This increased disruption leads to the increased formation of polynyas, which in turn increases the rate of ice formation. Also, increased precipitation (due to warmer air) keeps low salinity water at the surface (which is cold) from mixing, with the deeper, saltier water (which is warmer), so less warm water is getting pulled up to the surface and therefore less sea ice melts as a result.Fantastic, but sea ice extent in the Antarctic as of right now is still running at the lower portion of the range since accurate recording began. In fact, as of right now, it's running at about a half million square kilometers below the peaks of this time year of the range as recorded over the last 10 to 20 years or so, albeit as of right now there is more ice in the Antarctic than there as been at this same time in the previous 4 years.
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 04:24:07 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 02:16:44 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 02:02:01 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 01:04:32 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 12:39:55 AMAs of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years. But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history. If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening. then why do your alarmist idiot friends constantly talk about sea ice, sea ice extent, sea ice density and then try to scare the crap out of everybody while spending copious amounts of cash monitoring all of that stuff?The science behind what's happening? That's there's ice at the poles??The science behind the apparent paradox that sea ice coverage around antarctica is actually increasing despite the fact that the southern ocean is actually warming faster (0.17 degrees/decade) than the average for all the oceans (0.1 degree/decade). Ozone depletion above the antarctic is leading to a cooling of the stratosphere, which leads to an increase in the strength of antarctic cyclones and the more drastic disruption of sea ice. This increased disruption leads to the increased formation of polynyas, which in turn increases the rate of ice formation. Also, increased precipitation (due to warmer air) keeps low salinity water at the surface (which is cold) from mixing, with the deeper, saltier water (which is warmer), so less warm water is getting pulled up to the surface and therefore less sea ice melts as a result.
Quote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 02:16:44 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 02:02:01 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 01:04:32 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 12:39:55 AMAs of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years. But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history. If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening. then why do your alarmist idiot friends constantly talk about sea ice, sea ice extent, sea ice density and then try to scare the crap out of everybody while spending copious amounts of cash monitoring all of that stuff?The science behind what's happening? That's there's ice at the poles??
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 02:02:01 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 01:04:32 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 12:39:55 AMAs of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years. But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history. If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening.
Quote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 01:04:32 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 12:39:55 AMAs of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years. But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history. If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 12:39:55 AMAs of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years. But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history. If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years. But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 10, 2020, 10:47:53 AMQuote from: treysolid on February 10, 2020, 01:01:21 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 08:11:15 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 06:35:00 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 04:24:07 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 02:16:44 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 02:02:01 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 01:04:32 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 12:39:55 AMAs of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years. But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history. If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening. then why do your alarmist idiot friends constantly talk about sea ice, sea ice extent, sea ice density and then try to scare the crap out of everybody while spending copious amounts of cash monitoring all of that stuff?The science behind what's happening? That's there's ice at the poles??The science behind the apparent paradox that sea ice coverage around antarctica is actually increasing despite the fact that the southern ocean is actually warming faster (0.17 degrees/decade) than the average for all the oceans (0.1 degree/decade). Ozone depletion above the antarctic is leading to a cooling of the stratosphere, which leads to an increase in the strength of antarctic cyclones and the more drastic disruption of sea ice. This increased disruption leads to the increased formation of polynyas, which in turn increases the rate of ice formation. Also, increased precipitation (due to warmer air) keeps low salinity water at the surface (which is cold) from mixing, with the deeper, saltier water (which is warmer), so less warm water is getting pulled up to the surface and therefore less sea ice melts as a result.Fantastic, but sea ice extent in the Antarctic as of right now is still running at the lower portion of the range since accurate recording began. In fact, as of right now, it's running at about a half million square kilometers below the peaks of this time year of the range as recorded over the last 10 to 20 years or so, albeit as of right now there is more ice in the Antarctic than there as been at this same time in the previous 4 years. lol wutuhh...so as you can see, we are definitely at the peak of this nadir and, uh...we are decelerating more quickly even though our inertia, uh, seems to be holding us back from continuing on, and, ummm, uhhhhhTapout noted. You know exactly what I said, you just don't like the fact that I bothered to look at the actual data.making fun of your word salad is not the same as tapping out. your argument still isn't valid - sea ice doesn't correlate to warming for precisely the reasons i explained. find yourself a new argument.
Quote from: treysolid on February 10, 2020, 10:44:19 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 10, 2020, 10:47:53 AMQuote from: treysolid on February 10, 2020, 01:01:21 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 08:11:15 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 06:35:00 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 04:24:07 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 02:16:44 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 02:02:01 PMQuote from: treysolid on February 09, 2020, 01:04:32 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2020, 12:39:55 AMAs of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years. But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history. If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening. then why do your alarmist idiot friends constantly talk about sea ice, sea ice extent, sea ice density and then try to scare the crap out of everybody while spending copious amounts of cash monitoring all of that stuff?The science behind what's happening? That's there's ice at the poles??The science behind the apparent paradox that sea ice coverage around antarctica is actually increasing despite the fact that the southern ocean is actually warming faster (0.17 degrees/decade) than the average for all the oceans (0.1 degree/decade). Ozone depletion above the antarctic is leading to a cooling of the stratosphere, which leads to an increase in the strength of antarctic cyclones and the more drastic disruption of sea ice. This increased disruption leads to the increased formation of polynyas, which in turn increases the rate of ice formation. Also, increased precipitation (due to warmer air) keeps low salinity water at the surface (which is cold) from mixing, with the deeper, saltier water (which is warmer), so less warm water is getting pulled up to the surface and therefore less sea ice melts as a result.Fantastic, but sea ice extent in the Antarctic as of right now is still running at the lower portion of the range since accurate recording began. In fact, as of right now, it's running at about a half million square kilometers below the peaks of this time year of the range as recorded over the last 10 to 20 years or so, albeit as of right now there is more ice in the Antarctic than there as been at this same time in the previous 4 years. lol wutuhh...so as you can see, we are definitely at the peak of this nadir and, uh...we are decelerating more quickly even though our inertia, uh, seems to be holding us back from continuing on, and, ummm, uhhhhhTapout noted. You know exactly what I said, you just don't like the fact that I bothered to look at the actual data.making fun of your word salad is not the same as tapping out. your argument still isn't valid - sea ice doesn't correlate to warming for precisely the reasons i explained. find yourself a new argument.First, you need to get a whole bunch of people in the “scientific” community roped in. Second, exactly. I’m glad we can agree.
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