The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread

[camKSU]

Dax, bless your soul, how can you show us a graph based on what I presume to be science when you don't believe the very people who study and produce it?

And do you understand what the consequences of +4.5C are?

Let's see a graphic visual of that...

[Cartierfor3]

camKSU you posted a graph with the text written in comic sans

[camKSU]

Furthermore.... and I'll try and slow this down for you mouth breathing knuckle draggers... that minute very small difference at the year 2100 will amount to a significant very large difference down the road on the graph.

A lot of the temperature change has already been baked into the equation, what the paris agreement is about is minimizing the impact and changing our course, starting the process of doing more and more moving forward.

Turning our backs on this is extremely embarrassing and detrimental to working on a global scale on problems like this in the future.

North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, China, and India were all on board with this, for crying out loud, but Scott Pruitt's puppet masters and Trump the toddler are against it so let's just continue our rape and pillaging of our children's future with the status quo.... cause freedom and capitalism!

[camKSU]

camKSU you posted a graph with the text written in comic sans

Trying to speak their language, C43

[sonofdaxjones]

Gosh Cam, bless your little old heart.   What the graph is saying given the models from the warmest alarmists and all available data based on warmist alarmists prognostications.   That adhering to the Paris Accord in full for the next 80 years will virtually do nothing to stop temperature rise based on warmest alarmist projections.   In addition, what tiny variances do exist based on warmest alarmist modeling and projections between adhering and not adhering to the Paris Accord, will likely be washed up in the "noise" of NOAA's measurement methodology.

Oh, and you clearly never really read my posts, and you prove it every single time you say it's a science "you don't believe in". 

[SdK]

Dear Leader had a great album titled The Alarmist.

[camKSU]

Gosh Cam, bless your little old heart.   What the graph is saying given the models from the warmest alarmists and all available data based on warmist alarmists prognostications.   That adhering to the Paris Accord in full for the next 80 years will virtually do nothing to stop temperature rise based on warmest alarmist projections.   In addition, what tiny variances do exist based on warmest alarmist modeling and projections between adhering and not adhering to the Paris Accord, will likely be washed up in the "noise" of NOAA's measurement methodology.

Oh, and you clearly never really read my posts, and you prove it every single time you say it's a science "you don't believe in".

Dax, I have no trouble reading your graph or your posts (outside of your overwhelming cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy)... My problem is that you claim to believe science and yet you don't trust scientists. You think 97% of scientists are "alarmists" and that the guys saying that GOD will save us from destruction (if it even exists) are on to something with their denialism.

Just keep grasping at your dwindling straws for justification in what you believe, the rest of the world (pretty much everyone) is moving on from trying to explain it to you.

The rough ridin' pope, leader of the largest and oldest church (a faith-based organization) not known for flippantly hopping on trends, is able to comprehend the direness of the situation.

[sonofdaxjones]

Lol, apparently you're not getting that according to the some of the most heralded alarmist findings that warming is inevitable no matter what is done. No matter what draconian measures are instituted, no matter what massive economic shift takes place.   According to the data as produced, the earth is still going to get warmer (I'll leave poor siting, fudged numbers, and the purposeful cooling of the past out of it). 

Then to double down and say it's suddenly going to reverse itself because of what man does? 

You guys can't even answer simple questions like what is the optimum PPM level of CO2, what's going to get us back to what you've decided is "normal". 

[Gooch]

Lol, apparently you're not getting that according to the some of the most heralded alarmist findings that warming is inevitable no matter what is done. No matter what draconian measures are instituted, no matter what massive economic shift takes place.   According to the data as produced, the earth is still going to get warmer (I'll leave poor siting, fudged numbers, and the purposeful cooling of the past out of it). 

Then to double down and say it's suddenly going to reverse itself because of what man does? 

You guys can't even answer simple questions like what is the optimum PPM level of CO2, what's going to get us back to what you've decided is "normal". 

*not a scientist

but i'm pretty damn sure pumping more CO2 into the atmosphere is not going to help the situation.

[Mrs. Gooch]

Well I'm not going out and cleaning up the massive amount of plastic waste from the ocean so I might as well just throw a bunch more plastic in the river.

[The Big Train]

Lol, apparently you're not getting that according to the some of the most heralded alarmist findings that warming is inevitable no matter what is done. No matter what draconian measures are instituted, no matter what massive economic shift takes place.   According to the data as produced, the earth is still going to get warmer (I'll leave poor siting, fudged numbers, and the purposeful cooling of the past out of it). 

Then to double down and say it's suddenly going to reverse itself because of what man does? 

You guys can't even answer simple questions like what is the optimum PPM level of CO2, what's going to get us back to what you've decided is "normal".

Even if we knew the magic number you still wouldn't believe it.  The simple truth I know is that you have no rough ridin' idea what is going on.  There isn't data past 100 years ago because guess what Dax we didn't have the rough ridin' technology then to record it accurately on the scale we can now.

To just say eff what the data says and burn and drill because it's too hard to change is a stupid rough ridin' excuse.  I know change is hard for old people but we only have one earth.  We don't have any other feasible place to go, so trying to change the cycle we are on doesn't seem that stupid.  Unless of course you use the stupid mindset that you see the world in.

[sonofdaxjones]

Lol, apparently you're not getting that according to the some of the most heralded alarmist findings that warming is inevitable no matter what is done. No matter what draconian measures are instituted, no matter what massive economic shift takes place.   According to the data as produced, the earth is still going to get warmer (I'll leave poor siting, fudged numbers, and the purposeful cooling of the past out of it). 

Then to double down and say it's suddenly going to reverse itself because of what man does? 

You guys can't even answer simple questions like what is the optimum PPM level of CO2, what's going to get us back to what you've decided is "normal".

Even if we knew the magic number you still wouldn't believe it.  The simple truth I know is that you have no rough ridin' idea what is going on.  There isn't data past 100 years ago because guess what Dax we didn't have the rough ridin' technology then to record it accurately on the scale we can now.

To just say eff what the data says and burn and drill because it's too hard to change is a stupid rough ridin' excuse.  I know change is hard for old people but we only have one earth.  We don't have any other feasible place to go, so trying to change the cycle we are on doesn't seem that stupid.  Unless of course you use the stupid mindset that you see the world in.

Lol, in terms of your historical "thoughts" welcome to what was said 100 plus pages ago. 

Never said burn and drill either.

Damn.  Sad.

[camKSU]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/01/republican-senators-paris-climate-deal-energy-donations

 

[The Big Train]

Lol, apparently you're not getting that according to the some of the most heralded alarmist findings that warming is inevitable no matter what is done. No matter what draconian measures are instituted, no matter what massive economic shift takes place.   According to the data as produced, the earth is still going to get warmer (I'll leave poor siting, fudged numbers, and the purposeful cooling of the past out of it). 

Then to double down and say it's suddenly going to reverse itself because of what man does? 

You guys can't even answer simple questions like what is the optimum PPM level of CO2, what's going to get us back to what you've decided is "normal".

Even if we knew the magic number you still wouldn't believe it.  The simple truth I know is that you have no rough ridin' idea what is going on.  There isn't data past 100 years ago because guess what Dax we didn't have the rough ridin' technology then to record it accurately on the scale we can now.

To just say eff what the data says and burn and drill because it's too hard to change is a stupid rough ridin' excuse.  I know change is hard for old people but we only have one earth.  We don't have any other feasible place to go, so trying to change the cycle we are on doesn't seem that stupid.  Unless of course you use the stupid mindset that you see the world in.

Lol, in terms of your historical "thoughts" welcome to what was said 100 plus pages ago. 

Never said burn and drill either.

Damn.  Sad.

Your same "thoughts" are just repeats every few pages anyways because of your limited grasp on the subject.  Sad.

[star seed 7]

Well I'm not going out and cleaning up the massive amount of plastic waste from the ocean so I might as well just throw a bunch more plastic in the river.

Do you even know the optimal ppm for plastic in water?????

[Gooch]

Well I'm not going out and cleaning up the massive amount of plastic waste from the ocean so I might as well just throw a bunch more plastic in the river.

Do you even know the optimal ppm for plastic in water?????

Well until we do lets keep throwing more in.

[passranch]

+1

Good work guys!  Take the rest of the afternoon off! 

[The Big Train]

Well I'm not going out and cleaning up the massive amount of plastic waste from the ocean so I might as well just throw a bunch more plastic in the river.

Do you even know the optimal ppm for plastic in water?????

Well until we do lets keep throwing more in.

The more we do now the easier it is to fix later I always say.

[The Big Train]

Example: the quicker we cut down the rain forest the quicker it grows back. #science

[steve dave]

"I believe there's climate change. I believe there's been climate change since the beginning of time," Walberg said. "Do I think man has some impact? Yeah, of course. Can man change the entire universe? No." He continued: "Why do I believe that? Well, as a Christian, I believe that there is a creator in God who is much bigger than us. And I'm confident that, if there's a real problem, he can take care of it."

nothing to worry about dudes
http://time.com/4800000/tim-walberg-god-climate-change/

[bucket]

Never said burn and drill either.

Damn.  Sad.

But you're against alternative energy, so?

[camKSU]

"I believe there's climate change. I believe there's been climate change since the beginning of time," Walberg said. "Do I think man has some impact? Yeah, of course. Can man change the entire universe? No." He continued: "Why do I believe that? Well, as a Christian, I believe that there is a creator in God who is much bigger than us. And I'm confident that, if there's a real problem, he can take care of it."

nothing to worry about dudes
http://time.com/4800000/tim-walberg-god-climate-change/

God gave us cars and the oil/gas/coal in the ground... we would be spiting God if we didn't use them. And the arrogance of thinking we affect anything or have the power to impact the climate. We can do whatever we want as this is our dominion and God will just fix it all. Faith alone is our salvation. #MAGA

/s

[The Big Train]

"I believe there's climate change. I believe there's been climate change since the beginning of time," Walberg said. "Do I think man has some impact? Yeah, of course. Can man change the entire universe? No." He continued: "Why do I believe that? Well, as a Christian, I believe that there is a creator in God who is much bigger than us. And I'm confident that, if there's a real problem, he can take care of it."

nothing to worry about dudes
http://time.com/4800000/tim-walberg-god-climate-change/

OMG!

[The Big Train]

What sucks is the I told you so will be when sea levels have risen and our crops are gone and we are all mumped.  It won't be very much fun at all

[SdK]

I'm glad I'll be dead before any of this matters.