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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1925 on: March 14, 2016, 05:02:29 PM »
Whackadoodle with his idiotic expenditure talking point.    Millions in ideologically oriented and politicized climate "science" costs has been funded for years already; the facilities, the salaries etc. etc.   Pointing out the actual annual expenditures in research only covers a small portion of the bills taxpayers have already fronted to serve an ideology.

It's funny you think scientists would corrupt the scientific method, that none of your peers can find a reasonable fault with their method, for millions, but can't see that all this denial is funded by people with trillions on the line.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1926 on: March 14, 2016, 07:05:05 PM »

It's funny you think scientists would corrupt the scientific method,

This is one of your lead "scientists"...



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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1927 on: March 14, 2016, 07:06:24 PM »
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Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1928 on: March 14, 2016, 08:08:57 PM »
Whackadoodle with his idiotic expenditure talking point.    Millions in ideologically oriented and politicized climate "science" costs has been funded for years already; the facilities, the salaries etc. etc.   Pointing out the actual annual expenditures in research only covers a small portion of the bills taxpayers have already fronted to serve an ideology.

It's funny you think scientists would corrupt the scientific method, that none of your peers can find a reasonable fault with their method, for millions, but can't see that all this denial is funded by people with trillions on the line.

Where to start.   Yes yes, Big Energy has gone all in on fossil fuels, they own ZERO "green" energy patents and production systems nor do they own proprietary systems in the arena of "green" energy trading platforms.    Just a bunch of complete idiots running those companies, not forward thinkers at all.   

Nor is their huge money pushing the ideologically driven "green" energy propaganda in hopes of advancing their already copious financial positions. 

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1929 on: March 14, 2016, 08:10:27 PM »
Guessing ole Ptolemy is wishing he could have that one back.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1930 on: March 14, 2016, 08:11:34 PM »
If you are afraid of climate change, or even think it's a worthwhile issue, I have some beachfront property in new Mexico you might be interested in.

Also, look up.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1931 on: March 14, 2016, 11:22:20 PM »
Just a bunch of complete idiots running those companies, not forward thinkers at all.   


Windmills and solar collectors are not "forward" thinking. Those were left on the pile of failed technologies a hundred years ago.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1932 on: March 14, 2016, 11:40:29 PM »
I wasn't talking about windmills or solar

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1933 on: March 15, 2016, 08:45:06 AM »
The best thing we could do for the earth would be to use "corporate welfare" to bring industry back to the US from china and mexico and add tariffs to imported products from countries with low pollution standards. Taxing our own co2 emmisions is stupid.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1934 on: March 15, 2016, 09:23:48 AM »
Co2 sensors in Pacific can tell when Apple and others ramp up production in . . . China. 

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1935 on: March 15, 2016, 09:45:32 AM »
Has anyone explained why the government would be interested in shutting down such a large sector of the US economy?

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1936 on: March 15, 2016, 10:23:37 AM »
Has anyone explained why the government would be interested in shutting down such a large sector of the US economy?
it's ass rough ridin' the environment and the survival of the species is greater than backwards jobs that should have been phased out 50 years ago.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1937 on: March 15, 2016, 11:04:42 AM »
The US is reducing emissions.   But in EDN Whackadoodle's world all climate change is caused by humans and couldn't possibly be natural climate variability.   

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1938 on: March 15, 2016, 11:15:18 AM »
I just don't get it. If you think the climate change argument is junk science then surely you believe there is an agenda when such a large part of the scientific community agrees. It's not like the anti-vaccine folks who were largely misguided and uninformed, it's over 90% of the people who actually study these things. What would the agenda be? 

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1939 on: March 15, 2016, 11:36:46 AM »
What would the agenda be?

Why do you suppose the Left is the only group pushing this nonsense agenda? What does the Left want? They are constantly in pursuit of creating a Utopia; The Perfect Society, among mankind. In order to accomplish that, they believe Left-led government must have control of all, or most, of the engines that drive society. To do that, they need to tax everything people do, or think of doing.  Through unlimited taxation, they hold all the controls over the economy, they believe. Taxing carbon usage is the means through which they believe their agenda can be fueled.  Mankind uses more energy every single day and every single year. Look at the idiotic carbon-credits that made Al Gore into a fat slob. He never uses less energy. He buys bigger houses, flies bigger planes and hires fatter massage ladies and then pays money to carbon-credit companies he owns for every BTU over the "prescribed maximum" he uses. He wins both ways. It's ends up being a self-sustaining Ponzi scheme.  We never really cut back on energy usage. If Left-led government can find a way to institute carbon taxes, they can tax EVERYTHING without limit.

I assumed you youngsters figured this out for yourselves.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1940 on: March 15, 2016, 11:38:54 AM »
I just don't get it. If you think the climate change argument is junk science then surely you believe there is an agenda when such a large part of the scientific community agrees. It's not like the anti-vaccine folks who were largely misguided and uninformed, it's over 90% of the people who actually study these things. What would the agenda be?

And that 97% thing Obama belches every day is nonsense too...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/19/97-articles-refuting-the-97-consensus-on-global-warming/

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1941 on: March 15, 2016, 11:48:08 AM »

What would the agenda be?

Why do you suppose the Left is the only group pushing this nonsense agenda? What does the Left want? They are constantly in pursuit of creating a Utopia; The Perfect Society, among mankind. In order to accomplish that, they believe Left-led government must have control of all, or most, of the engines that drive society. To do that, they need to tax everything people do, or think of doing.  Through unlimited taxation, they hold all the controls over the economy, they believe.

:lol: That's pretty much what I thought.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1942 on: March 15, 2016, 12:05:56 PM »
Well we'll just 'trophe on the pile of the completely indoctrinated.   

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1943 on: March 15, 2016, 12:18:13 PM »
In California for example, energy poverty is growing.   As more and more households have to use a growing portion of their income to pay electricity as rates skyrocket. 

Oh, just a few years ago Hillary traveled the world encouraging fracking. 

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1944 on: March 15, 2016, 12:44:25 PM »
Just a bunch of complete idiots running those companies, not forward thinkers at all.   


Windmills and solar collectors are not "forward" thinking. Those were left on the pile of failed technologies a hundred years ago.

Solar has made great gains in the last decade. California has capitalized on this. Nevada was trying before the Pubs shut it down. Florida has blocked any and all efforts by its citizens to utilize the technology.

The only reason solar is being shut down is because it's a threat to coal and gas companies. It's a good business strategy, but harmful to the planet. It's a win-win-win to have citizens collect solar power, give back to the grid, and create jobs.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1945 on: March 15, 2016, 01:07:51 PM »
I get where you are coming from, a government led restructuring of how the world consumes energy will undeniably put those in political power in a position to aid certain parties at the expense of others. Are you arguing that climate change is a full hoax or is exaggerated/assumed to be worst case scenario?

The facts prove that man has nowhere near the level of influence necessary to control the climate. Our best estimate is that man alone generates only 3% of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. 97% of that is from natural (non-man as it were; man is part of nature after all) sources, and 99% of the planet's greenhouse gas consists of simple water vapor. The planet is 75% water. Where do you suppose all that water vapor comes from? We can't even agree on a most accurate method of measuring "the" temperature of the entire planet.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1946 on: March 15, 2016, 01:11:15 PM »
Solar has made great gains in the last decade. California has capitalized on this. Nevada was trying before the Pubs shut it down. Florida has blocked any and all efforts by its citizens to utilize the technology.

The only reason solar is being shut down is because it's a threat to coal and gas companies. It's a good business strategy, but harmful to the planet. It's a win-win-win to have citizens collect solar power, give back to the grid, and create jobs.

Without subsidies from us taxpayers, energy from solar and wind is 5-8X more expensive per/kWH to generate than from fossil fuels. Of that fact, there is no question.

Necessity is the mother of invention. When we NEED a better energy source than fossil fuels, we will invent one, just like oil took the place of firewood.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1947 on: March 15, 2016, 01:22:03 PM »

And that 97% thing Obama belches every day is nonsense too...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/19/97-articles-refuting-the-97-consensus-on-global-warming/

 :sdeek: Someone actually posted an Anthony Watts article and isn't joking.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1948 on: March 15, 2016, 01:23:22 PM »


The facts prove that man has nowhere near the level of influence necessary to control the climate. Our best estimate is that man alone generates only 3% of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. 97% of that is from natural (non-man as it were; man is part of nature after all) sources, and 99% of the planet's greenhouse gas consists of simple water vapor. The planet is 75% water. Where do you suppose all that water vapor comes from? We can't even agree on a most accurate method of measuring "the" temperature of the entire planet.

This doesn't seem very science-y.  Are you running for the school board in Texas?

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #1949 on: March 15, 2016, 01:31:26 PM »
We're the party of science and we oppose fracking  :lol:
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