Benghazi Hearing

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

If Rachel Maddow or John Stewert don't talk about it, I don't know about it

[Rams]

If Rachel Maddow or John Stewert don't talk about it, I don't know about it

well john stewart just did a full segment tonight in how the republicans actually have a legitimate beef with the benghazi scandal...so...

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

If Rachel Maddow or John Stewert don't talk about it, I don't know about it

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-13-2013/barack-trek--into-darkness

[ednksu]

I'm a little confused about how someone who doesn't watch fox news know so much about fox news.

Are all of your grievances based on fox news hearsay?  The facts of the Benghazi spectacle and your strange conspiracy theory of a conspiracy theory make you look like a delusional imbecile.

Where did I say I didn't watch their programming?  I watch their info-tainment trash to know what others are thinking and where they are getting their talking points from.  Also, Mygyn Kylly  , but not for her mind.

Somebody royally mumped up in either gravely underestimating the situation or just simply failing to put ourselves in a position to execute, but that happens fairly often. The fact that they tried to feed us this bullshit about some youtube video that makes amatuer porn look like Oscar winning cinematography being the reason they attacked our consolate is just mind-boggling.

Yeah. I really don't understand the people who don't think the government blew it here.

i don't think anyone is against the argument that the government could have done better, but rather, people on the right seem to think obama intentionally had these people killed.

which is even more stupid.

This.  The Benghazi issue is a terrible example of government gone wrong, compartmentalizing, and in fighting. 

Now if you really wanna get sand in your vagina, lets discuss the AP records seizure, which is turning into another example of republican hypocrisy, lookin at you Issa.

[felix rex]

This is basically a case of when CYA goes wrong.

[slobber]

I have just caught up on this thread and I have learned several plausible/ highly likely things. Here are the main two.

1. There are some dumb-asses in this very thread, on goEMAW.com (unfortunately, it is not likely that you know who you are).
2. Felix Rex is not in Cairo. He is a spy, living in Manhattan, KS, coaching the KSU Wildcats Mens Basketball team...check the timelines!

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Liar, liar... http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/newly-released-benghazi-emails-directly-contradict-white-house-claims_724603.html

When Petraeus received the rewritten [bullshit] talking points, he objected. “Frankly, I’d just as soon not use this,” he wrote to a legislative affairs staffer.

[sonofdaxjones]

Oh please EDN, I doubt Fox News puts the lack of response by the military in Benghazi in the context of a $1 Trillion Dollar Plus annual military/industrial/complex.   Those types love that stuff.

The only person who sounds like a Fox News Guy is your conservative hard on inducing comment about "Overwhelming Force" in 24 hours.

I think you're just lashing out because things like your "indigenous populations" rising up thoughts are being excoriated again and again as a myriad of news sources from the NYT on down are outlining the heavy CIA/Western Intelligence involvement in all of this upheaval.   Libya was obviously a NATO/Western Intelligence operation and lots of people are asking why?   Not saying Gaddafi was a good guy (but hey, the U.S. is more than willing to arm their favorite thug regimes and Theocratic States to the teeth), but he had renounced terrorism, had renounced WMD desires etc. etc.   But wait, didn't he aspire for a North African Union that would be less dependent on Western economic mechanisms and influence . . . hmmm??    Have the Chinese been exerting more influence in North Africa in regards to things like energy production?  Funny how AQ seems to pop up in places the Chinese are poking around in, obviously forcing the U.S. to send in JSOC/Military resources and other "aid".

So once again, a right and proper series questions to be asking is . . . .why was Benghazi teaming with CIA spooks?   Were they there to weed out AQ, or get the usual AQ suspects ready to ship off to Syria, or was it some sort of CIA rendition destination?

[Dugout DickStone]

I doubt we overthrew Momar.  He was pretty much our guy.

[sonofdaxjones]

I doubt we overthrew Momar.  He was pretty much our guy.

Operation Odyssey Dawn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Odyssey_Dawn


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16573516

[felix rex]

So once again, a right and proper series questions to be asking is . . . .why was Benghazi teaming with CIA spooks?

I feel like if the answers were nickels, I could put them in a sock and whack you in the face and still get this response.

[Dugout DickStone]

I doubt we overthrew Momar.  He was pretty much our guy.

Operation Odyssey Dawn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Odyssey_Dawn


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16573516

Interesting if true.

[sonofdaxjones]

So once again, a right and proper series questions to be asking is . . . .why was Benghazi teaming with CIA spooks?

I feel like if the answers were nickels, I could put them in a sock and whack you in the face and still get this response.

I pretty much feel the same way about your idiotic propaganda, only for your truth sock I'd use Platinum coins.

[michigancat]

So once again, a right and proper series questions to be asking is . . . .why was Benghazi teaming with CIA spooks?

I feel like if the answers were nickels, I could put them in a sock and whack you in the face and still get this response.

[sonofdaxjones]

I doubt we overthrew Momar.  He was pretty much our guy.

Operation Odyssey Dawn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Odyssey_Dawn


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16573516

Interesting if true.

So that F-15E flying out of the U.K. in support of anti Gaddafi forces didn't really crash in Libya?

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-20045015.html

The U.S. has launched cruise missiles against Libyan air defenses as part of the international military effort against Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi.

CBS News national security correspondent David Martin confirms that the Pentagon launched 50-100 cruise missiles around 2 p.m. ET Saturday, following the French fighter jets' sorties over Benghazi.

[Dugout DickStone]

I doubt we overthrew Momar.  He was pretty much our guy.

Operation Odyssey Dawn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Odyssey_Dawn


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16573516

Interesting if true.

So that F-15E flying out of the U.K. in support of anti Gaddafi forces didn't really crash in Libya?

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-20045015.html

The U.S. has launched cruise missiles against Libyan air defenses as part of the international military effort against Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi.

CBS News national security correspondent David Martin confirms that the Pentagon launched 50-100 cruise missiles around 2 p.m. ET Saturday, following the French fighter jets' sorties over Benghazi.

Seems like that is just a little TOO convienient though, eh?

[sonofdaxjones]

I seriously think some of you dumbasses only read DNC talking points.   

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/how-can-we-understand-benghazi-without-probing-the-cias-role/275781/

Did an American ambassador die in Benghazi in part because the Obama Administration, like all its executive branch predecessors, decided to use diplomatic cover to protect covert CIA assets? What, exactly, were those CIA agents doing in Benghazi? These are the sorts of questions neither establishment Republicans nor establishment Democrats have an interest in answering. Says John McCain of Benghazi, "I would call it a cover-up to the extent that it was willful removal of information." The purpose of the CIA presence in Benghazi is certainly being excluded from official statements and covered up, but the Republicans clamoring for transparency and excoriating the Obama Administration for lying are okay with certain lies and opaqueness.

The disclosure they're seeking is decidedly partial.

I don't know why the press is playing along. If the American facility in Benghazi was a CIA operation disguised as a diplomatic post, let's call it a CIA facility, probe whether that fact helps explain why it was attacked, and investigate the CIA's failure to protect its personnel along with the State Department's failure to protect its employees. At present, journalists like Hayes are writing as if we should credulously accept whatever former CIA director David Petraeus says as if it's the true account of what happened. I've got no objection to getting to the bottom of Benghazi. But so long as we all pretend that it's a story about a diplomatic mission that was attacked, we'll be missing part of the truth. And so long as Republicans continue to champion the White House's prerogative to expand executive power to fight terrorism and invoke the state secrets privilege to obscure the true nature of its actions abroad, calls for "transparency" on Benghazi will be peculiar. I'm for transparency, but I want the whole story of Benghazi, including the CIA's role in it.

[sonofdaxjones]

I doubt we overthrew Momar.  He was pretty much our guy.

Operation Odyssey Dawn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Odyssey_Dawn


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16573516

Interesting if true.

So that F-15E flying out of the U.K. in support of anti Gaddafi forces didn't really crash in Libya?

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-20045015.html

The U.S. has launched cruise missiles against Libyan air defenses as part of the international military effort against Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi.

CBS News national security correspondent David Martin confirms that the Pentagon launched 50-100 cruise missiles around 2 p.m. ET Saturday, following the French fighter jets' sorties over Benghazi.

Seems like that is just a little TOO convienient though, eh?

Yeah, a little too convenient in terms of covering up the real reason why they wanted Gaddafi gone.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15392189

[8manpick]

Good idea. Let's be transparent about the activities of our foreign spies.

[sonofdaxjones]

Good idea. Let's be transparent about the activities of our foreign spies.

Nobody is saying that dumbass, but in this case it's a perfectly applicable question in light of events.

Some of you are so far in the tank for the administration you have absolutely no objectivity whatsoever.

Sad . . . thought we had some real thinkers on here, but apparently not.

Sad

[Dugout DickStone]

Good idea. Let's be transparent about the activities of our foreign spies.

Nobody is saying that dumbass, but in this case it's a perfectly applicable question in light of events.

Some of you are so far in the tank for the administration you have absolutely no objectivity whatsoever.

Sad . . . thought we had some real thinkers on here, but apparently not.

Sad

This is repeating stuff but doesn't everyone know that a US installment in a ME country will have a bunch of CIA folks there?  I mean, they aren't hosting polo matches and high tea in rough ridin' Benghazi.  They are rough ridin' with stuff.

[sonofdaxjones]

One school of thought is that the CIA was buying weapons that Libyan militias had captured from the Libyan military for export to the "freedom fighters" in Libya.

Multiple reports of arms that the former Yugoslavia sold Gaddafi's military being found in the hands of Syrian "rebels".

Actual Libyan "Freedom Fighters" showing up on the battlegrounds of Syria is extremely well documented.   

In the vast majority of these cases, these types of operations need state sanctioned intelligence agencies in order to be effective. 

[Dugout DickStone]

One school of thought is that the CIA was buying weapons that Libyan militias had captured from the Libyan military for export to the "freedom fighters" in Libya.

Interesting, if true.

[felix rex]

In the vast majority of these cases, these types of operations need state sanctioned intelligence agencies in order to be effective.

No

[sonofdaxjones]

In the vast majority of these cases, these types of operations need state sanctioned intelligence agencies in order to be effective.

No

You're just trying to contrary at this juncture.