one year delayed, eh cap'n?

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[wiley]

The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking

As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.

Didn't Wecker share some pretty negative feelings towards Deb after she left in an ESPN article?

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[SdK]

The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking

As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.

Didn't Wecker share some pretty negative feelings towards Deb after she left in an ESPN article?

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I feel like she treated her straight players differently than the lesbian players. Ohlde and Wecker were the two I seemed to remember being mistreated.

[MakeItRain]

The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking

As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.

Didn't Wecker share some pretty negative feelings towards Deb after she left in an ESPN article?

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I feel like she treated her straight players differently than the lesbian players. Ohlde and Wecker were the two I seemed to remember being mistreated.

Both of you have bad memories. Ohlde wasn't mistreated, part of Wecker's problem was that Ohlde was treated like the Queen of the World, could do no wrong and Wecker was not. The problems between Deb and Kendra had ZERO to do with sexual orientation, some of the players felt that devout Christians were treated better than non-devout Christians. They simply butted heads, like coaches and players often do. One of the biggest issues that Kendra and Deb had was Kendra getting in trouble for playing intramural softball. Kendra took the its better to ask forgiveness than permission approach and the coaches weren't happy about it. Kendra should have asked permission even though Deb would have said no, and Deb should have been more flexible. The coaches thought those teams weren't as cohesive as they could have been because they didn't get along great. They didn't fight, but they weren't tight like great teams are. Wecker didn't really hang with the team as much as one would think. There was a separation in the big 4, Wecker and Mahoney were one group and Koehn and Ohlde were another. It was a bit more complex than that but its a good way to hurriedly and crudely show the division with those teams.

Bottom line is that those issues had nothing to do with sexual orientation and are issues that a lot of teams have to deal with. People want to take the very sexist and lazy approach and chalk it up to either "bitches be crazy" or the lesbians and the straight girls didn't get along when in actuality it was just your standard sub-par team chemistry that kills teams of both genders.

source, me A+

[wiley]

The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking

As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.

Didn't Wecker share some pretty negative feelings towards Deb after she left in an ESPN article?

Sent from my SM-T217S using Tapatalk

I feel like she treated her straight players differently than the lesbian players. Ohlde and Wecker were the two I seemed to remember being mistreated.

Both of you have bad memories. Ohlde wasn't mistreated, part of Wecker's problem was that Ohlde was treated like the Queen of the World, could do no wrong and Wecker was not. The problems between Deb and Kendra had ZERO to do with sexual orientation, some of the players felt that devout Christians were treated better than non-devout Christians. They simply butted heads, like coaches and players often do. One of the biggest issues that Kendra and Deb had was Kendra getting in trouble for playing intramural softball. Kendra took the its better to ask forgiveness than permission approach and the coaches weren't happy about it. Kendra should have asked permission even though Deb would have said no, and Deb should have been more flexible. The coaches thought those teams weren't as cohesive as they could have been because they didn't get along great. They didn't fight, but they weren't tight like great teams are. Wecker didn't really hang with the team as much as one would think. There was a separation in the big 4, Wecker and Mahoney were one group and Koehn and Ohlde were another. It was a bit more complex than that but its a good way to hurriedly and crudely show the division with those teams.

Bottom line is that those issues had nothing to do with sexual orientation and are issues that a lot of teams have to deal with. People want to take the very sexist and lazy approach and chalk it up to either "bitches be crazy" or the lesbians and the straight girls didn't get along when in actuality it was just your standard sub-par team chemistry that kills teams of both genders.

source, me A+

I do seem to remember "religious" conversations/complaints coming up in the ohlde/wecker era.  But honestly, I did zero digging outside of the article and the he said she said crap that was floating around small town kansas

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[SdK]

Mahoney is my favorite KSU Wildcat bballer from the women's teams. Bummed she didn't come back for the celebration with the rest of the team.

SdK actually cleaned their locker rooms they year they won it.

[SdK]

I'll get in touch with my source tomorrow, a best bud of Ohlde during the year in question, and get the facts banged out.

[sonofdaxjones]

Was it a difference between laptopites, and non laptopites?

As I recall, Deb didn't buy laptops for everybody, just 4 or 5 players.

[kso_FAN]

Over/under on Leti's release?

I'll go with May 16th.

[sonofdaxjones]

Over/under on Leti's release?

I'll go with May 16th.

Sounds about right.

[Cire]

Whatever day the big spring game secret announcement is.  Or the day dwayne bowe gets arrested or moose hits two home runs.

[Emo EMAW]

I would tell you what I've heard directly from a ladycats basketball player, but this same basketball player confirmed for me that there was indeed a mutiny under Frank and most of the team was going to transfer if he stayed.  So you wouldn't believe me/her anyway.

[chum1]

[chum1]

Here's the best one:

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I don't like the ACC over the name though.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Here's the best one:

that one is so good i'm considering having it tatooed on my body.

[catz]

The worst thing that's going to come out of this is when it's revealed deb had sexual relationships with players and then when things went south, told them if they transfer she'd tell everyone they were lesbians. #notjoking

As for Leti, whoever that is, nobody gives a crap.

Didn't Wecker share some pretty negative feelings towards Deb after she left in an ESPN article?

Sent from my SM-T217S using Tapatalk

I feel like she treated her straight players differently than the lesbian players. Ohlde and Wecker were the two I seemed to remember being mistreated.

Both of you have bad memories. Ohlde wasn't mistreated, part of Wecker's problem was that Ohlde was treated like the Queen of the World, could do no wrong and Wecker was not. The problems between Deb and Kendra had ZERO to do with sexual orientation, some of the players felt that devout Christians were treated better than non-devout Christians. They simply butted heads, like coaches and players often do. One of the biggest issues that Kendra and Deb had was Kendra getting in trouble for playing intramural softball. Kendra took the its better to ask forgiveness than permission approach and the coaches weren't happy about it. Kendra should have asked permission even though Deb would have said no, and Deb should have been more flexible. The coaches thought those teams weren't as cohesive as they could have been because they didn't get along great. They didn't fight, but they weren't tight like great teams are. Wecker didn't really hang with the team as much as one would think. There was a separation in the big 4, Wecker and Mahoney were one group and Koehn and Ohlde were another. It was a bit more complex than that but its a good way to hurriedly and crudely show the division with those teams.

Bottom line is that those issues had nothing to do with sexual orientation and are issues that a lot of teams have to deal with. People want to take the very sexist and lazy approach and chalk it up to either "bitches be crazy" or the lesbians and the straight girls didn't get along when in actuality it was just your standard sub-par team chemistry that kills teams of both genders.

source, me A+

There is always drama, especially when there are women involved.  not "bitches be crazy" but drama.  Source A++ 

[sonofdaxjones]

Man, had a lot of exposure to Matilda Mossman back in the day when she was WBB coach at K-State.   #bsc

[MakeItRain]

I would tell you what I've heard directly from a ladycats basketball player, but this same basketball player confirmed for me that there was indeed a mutiny under Frank and most of the team was going to transfer if he stayed.  So you wouldn't believe me/her anyway.

There is literally no way to know if there was going to be a mutiny unless there was a meeting and all of those dudes said they were absolutely going to leave. It's hard to believe because only one of those guys, Will, actually took real steps to leave. All of those seniors went running to Frank at South Carolina when the season was over last year so I find it hard to believe that they were going to leave. We also know Angel wasn't leaving.

[Emo EMAW]

I would tell you what I've heard directly from a ladycats basketball player, but this same basketball player confirmed for me that there was indeed a mutiny under Frank and most of the team was going to transfer if he stayed.  So you wouldn't believe me/her anyway.

There is literally no way to know if there was going to be a mutiny unless there was a meeting and all of those dudes said they were absolutely going to leave. It's hard to believe because only one of those guys, Will, actually took real steps to leave. All of those seniors went running to Frank at South Carolina when the season was over last year so I find it hard to believe that they were going to leave. We also know Angel wasn't leaving.

I find it hard to believe, too.  I mean it's not like I have documentation here.

[meow meow]

I would tell you what I've heard directly from a ladycats basketball player, but this same basketball player confirmed for me that there was indeed a mutiny under Frank and most of the team was going to transfer if he stayed.  So you wouldn't believe me/her anyway.

There is literally no way to know if there was going to be a mutiny unless there was a meeting and all of those dudes said they were absolutely going to leave. It's hard to believe because only one of those guys, Will, actually took real steps to leave. All of those seniors went running to Frank at South Carolina when the season was over last year so I find it hard to believe that they were going to leave. We also know Angel wasn't leaving.

I find it hard to believe, too.  I mean it's not like I have documentation here.

 

[ydarg2012]

Why is the letter B on his jersey? I'm guessing it's in memory of oscar.

[Mixed-Nutz]

I would tell you what I've heard directly from a ladycats basketball player, but this same basketball player confirmed for me that there was indeed a mutiny under Frank and most of the team was going to transfer if he stayed.  So you wouldn't believe me/her anyway.

There is literally no way to know if there was going to be a mutiny unless there was a meeting and all of those dudes said they were absolutely going to leave. It's hard to believe because only one of those guys, Will, actually took real steps to leave. All of those seniors went running to Frank at South Carolina when the season was over last year so I find it hard to believe that they were going to leave. We also know Angel wasn't leaving.

I find it hard to believe, too.  I mean it's not like I have documentation here.

Munity is too strong of a word, but some crap was going down, wasn't like frank was going to lose his Job. Frank would of had a depleted roster going into that next year. He got out at the opportune time. His weakness got the best of him.

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the opportune time

When better programs were throwing $2-3 million at him years before would've been more opportune.  I'd say after a 'ship w/the spradlesscats in 12-13 would've been more opportune also.

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Munity is too strong of a word

Also,