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oscar is on the clock...
« on: April 22, 2013, 07:51:21 PM »
Short term it stinks. I really enjoyed watching Angel and with him oscar had a chance to have an all league type leader a couple more years. With that, the Cats were likely looking at more NCAA appearances as long as other players progressed and a couple newcomers came with some ability to contribute. But long term it puts the ball firmly in oscar's court and really shrinks the transition period. In some ways it takes some luster off the Big 12 title (at least in terms of job security) and now K-State fans will see his coaching and program building for what it is, not with as much benefit of "toughness residue" from Frank's tenure. The Frank residue is now a nice set of complimentary players, as its doubtful Shane, Will, or Gip are all league caliber.

Next year the backcourt is pretty much oscar's besides role playing Will. And even with Will, at times oscar showed a tendency to play Tay more minutes when it was clear Will couldn't compete athletically (or when Will was injured). In any case, for oscar's future he has to hope he hits on at least 3 of these current 4 perimeter recruits to be Big 12 level players, and at least one probably needs to be an all league caliber player. For the most part, the backcourt is where college basketball is built, and especially if oscar continues with his 2 guard/2 swing system. Losing Angel makes this oscar's team even quicker and the reality of fair judgement for K-State fans should follow suit.

With Angel, K-State fans were probably looking at 2 more years before we could fully call this oscar's program, especially with the carryover from a Big 12 title. But now, in 2 years (3 at the most), we will have a really clear picture of weather or not oscar truly learned from his failure at Illinois or if we'll be looking for a new coach.

oscar Weber, this is now your program.


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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2013, 07:53:32 PM »
Excellent analysis.

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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2013, 07:54:10 PM »
Well said
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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2013, 07:56:12 PM »
No way, _FAN. This team is just too young. We won't be able to see what oscar is made of until the players in this incoming class are juniors, maybe seniors.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2013, 07:57:12 PM »
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oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2013, 07:57:30 PM »
This is oscar's team.  The three best players are still Frank's, but they are all ones of the caliber and style we will likely see in the future with oscar.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2013, 07:57:48 PM »
Great stuff _fan. oscar just probably lost the best 2 players he will have at K-State during his tenure (angel and gruds). Hard to imagine he will even come close to the success he had this season. He will never have the type of recruiting classes he had at Illinois, so it's hard to envision a scenario where we make the tournament consistently since he couldn't even manage that with solid recruiting classes at Illinois.

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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2013, 07:57:58 PM »
No way, _FAN. This team is just too young. We won't be able to see what oscar is made of until the players in this incoming class are juniors, maybe seniors.

They are juniors in 3 more years and I said 3 at the most. oscar gets the young team card for 2 years, then its all his. For me, this simply made judging oscar that much more clearer.

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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2013, 07:58:09 PM »
No NCAA's, no job.  Have to upgrade.   Have to know how to keep your priorities.   

You don't let all conf kids go.  You don't let your leader go.  You manage your talent and keep them happy.   

You don't let post season walk out the door without bringing in a def upgrade unless that kid is leaving to go get drafted.

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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2013, 07:59:22 PM »
Currie made the oscar hire.  As long as Currie is still our AD, oscar will be given every chance to succeed.

I foresee a Jim Woolridge-type sixth year coming up soon.

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2013, 08:00:03 PM »
Until we start doing illegal things we will never compete with the big dogs
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2013, 08:00:41 PM »
I foresee a Jim Woolridge-type sixth year coming up soon.

No. Currie has his annoying traits, but he isn't nearly as dumb as whoever our AD was then.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2013, 08:01:41 PM »
Short term it stinks. I really enjoyed watching Angel and with him oscar had a chance to have an all league type leader a couple more years. With that, the Cats were likely looking at more NCAA appearances as long as other players progressed and a couple newcomers came with some ability to contribute. But long term it puts the ball firmly in oscar's court and really shrinks the transition period. In some ways it takes some luster off the Big 12 title (at least in terms of job security) and now K-State fans will see his coaching and program building for what it is, not with as much benefit of "toughness residue" from Frank's tenure. The Frank residue is now a nice set of complimentary players, as its doubtful Shane, Will, or Gip are all league caliber.

Next year the backcourt is pretty much oscar's besides role playing Will. And even with Will, at times oscar showed a tendency to play Tay more minutes when it was clear Will couldn't compete athletically (or when Will was injured). In any case, for oscar's future he has to hope he hits on at least 3 of these current 4 perimeter recruits to be Big 12 level players, and at least one probably needs to be an all league caliber player. For the most part, the backcourt is where college basketball is built, and especially if oscar continues with his 2 guard/2 swing system. Losing Angel makes this oscar's team even quicker and the reality of fair judgement for K-State fans should follow suit.

With Angel, K-State fans were probably looking at 2 more years before we could fully call this oscar's program, especially with the carryover from a Big 12 title. But now, in 2 years (3 at the most), we will have a really clear picture of weather or not oscar truly learned from his failure at Illinois or if we'll be looking for a new coach.

oscar Weber, this is now your program.

Completely agree...every day I wake up going  :bang: thinking about the fact the oscar is our coach. Hopefully he is exposed for the fraud he is sonner rather than later.

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2013, 08:02:21 PM »
What will it take to be rid of oscar? Missing tourney 3 years in a row 0-6 vs KU?

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2013, 08:05:25 PM »
Seriously,  he needs to make it this season.   I mean,  he just let an ncaa game or three walk out the door.

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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2013, 08:07:01 PM »
What will it take to be rid of oscar? Missing tourney 3 years in a row 0-6 vs KU?

Good question. Patience next year is understandable, but for where we are at, rebuilding should still mean an NIT. Should be NCAAs when his big class are SOs, and top 4 in the league and solid seed by the time they are JRs. That's not unreasonable in today's college basketball, I'm not interested in some SLTH standard.

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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2013, 08:08:38 PM »
I joined teamburnitdown today.

Didn't want to, but the writing on the wall became clearer. 

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Re: oscar is on the clock...
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2013, 08:10:40 PM »
No NCAA's, no job.  Have to upgrade.   Have to know how to keep your priorities.   

You don't let all conf kids go.  You don't let your leader go.  You manage your talent and keep them happy.   

You don't let post season walk out the door without bringing in a def upgrade unless that kid is leaving to go get drafted.

Will Shane step up?  He definitely seemed to be more vocal than Angel.  I assume we will see him leading the tunnel dance next year as well.

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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2013, 08:13:15 PM »
Shane and gip are an island.  That island cannot sustain an entire fanbase

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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2013, 08:35:00 PM »
No way, _FAN. This team is just too young. We won't be able to see what oscar is made of until the players in this incoming class are juniors, maybe seniors.

They are juniors in 3 more years and I said 3 at the most. oscar gets the young team card for 2 years, then its all his. For me, this simply made judging oscar that much more clearer.

If you weren't able to properly judge oscar before he took the kstate job, I seriously doubt that any amount if time will be enough to allow you to clearly do it. Jesus. It's like there is a guy with a gun pointed at you telling you that he's going to kill you and you already just saw him shoot five people and you're still standing there debating whether it not he is capable and willing to pull the trigger. So maddening.

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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2013, 08:38:27 PM »
What will it take to be rid of oscar? Missing tourney 3 years in a row 0-6 vs KU?

Good question. Patience next year is understandable, but for where we are at, rebuilding should still mean an NIT. Should be NCAAs when his big class are SOs, and top 4 in the league and solid seed by the time they are JRs. That's not unreasonable in today's college basketball, I'm not interested in some SLTH standard.

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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2013, 08:39:26 PM »
If you weren't able to properly judge oscar before he took the kstate job, I seriously doubt that any amount if time will be enough to allow you to clearly do it.

the guy's probably going to retire after kstate.  if you can't judge him by this point in his career, you're just not a person that judges.
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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2013, 08:43:14 PM »
No way, _FAN. This team is just too young. We won't be able to see what oscar is made of until the players in this incoming class are juniors, maybe seniors.

They are juniors in 3 more years and I said 3 at the most. oscar gets the young team card for 2 years, then its all his. For me, this simply made judging oscar that much more clearer.

If you weren't able to properly judge oscar before he took the kstate job, I seriously doubt that any amount if time will be enough to allow you to clearly do it. Jesus. It's like there is a guy with a gun pointed at you telling you that he's going to kill you and you already just saw him shoot five people and you're still standing there debating whether it not he is capable and willing to pull the trigger. So maddening.

oscar's last year was a disaster and his last 6 were unspectacular, but once he was hired I wasn't just going to adopt some pessimistic, defeatist attitude toward K-State basketball and still haven't, but I haven't stopped anyone from doing so if they so chose that route. I believe I've been consistent on my oscar perspective. If you end up being correct with your initial judgement, congrats. All I have said its that oscar losing Angel only makes judgement easier for me.

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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2013, 08:43:36 PM »
This is all a foregone conclusion.  There is no way Weber makes the tournament the next two years with midmajor level freshman point guards.  It just isn't happening until they are uppeclassmen, and it might not happen then.  Who are you going to have inside?

Don't make the same mistake we did by letting him hang on and drag the program deep into the gutter.  Best case you give him two years of missing the NCAAs then fire him if his players are not looking like they can make it in the third year.

It really is incredible that people in charge of a million dollar basketball program decided to not allow oscar Weber to run the program into the ground but overpay him to do so.  So sorry for the loss of your basketball program.


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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2013, 08:44:21 PM »

If you weren't able to properly judge oscar before he took the kstate job, I seriously doubt that any amount if time will be enough to allow you to clearly do it. Jesus. It's like there is a guy with a gun pointed at you telling you that he's going to kill you and you already just saw him shoot five people and you're still standing there debating whether it not he is capable and willing to pull the trigger. So maddening.

Agreed.

And, looks like Catzacker has a new rival in the best-goEMAW-analogy-writer game.  That's a gem, Rick.   :thumbs: