MHK bound plane crash

[SkinnyBenny]

Busy day to write for The Mercury.

[Pett]

Now another death confirmed. Chris Gruber from KSU.

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/Plane-Crashes-Into-House-201870051.html?%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F

Big time EMAW. Very devastating news. T's & P's to the Marshall and Gruber families

[p1k3]

i know that there are infinitely more fatal car crashes than plane, but it seems like i keep hearing about small, personal planes going down. is having a plane worth the risk?

I tried to google/read about this to find closure for the Bramlage crash. Still not over it 

[MakeItRain]

i know that there are infinitely more fatal car crashes than plane, but it seems like i keep hearing about small, personal planes going down. is having a plane worth the risk?

you keep hearing about them because you hear about every single one of them and they are big news when they happen...unlike car crashes.

also 99% of all plane crashes are preventable and due to some sort of pilot error.  so if you're going to cut corners and take risks, then no, having a plane definitely isn't worth the risk.

I need a pilot to tell me what circumstances would persuade you to cut corners or take risks when the potential circumstances are so grave.

People don't use seatbelts.  If people are too lazy with that level of ease/potential consequence, its not hard for me to imagine pilots doing something stupid.

i know that there are infinitely more fatal car crashes than plane, but it seems like i keep hearing about small, personal planes going down. is having a plane worth the risk?

you keep hearing about them because you hear about every single one of them and they are big news when they happen...unlike car crashes.

also 99% of all plane crashes are preventable and due to some sort of pilot error.  so if you're going to cut corners and take risks, then no, having a plane definitely isn't worth the risk.

I need a pilot to tell me what circumstances would persuade you to cut corners or take risks when the potential circumstances are so grave.

I am a private pilot and I've been around pilots my entire life...including a few that have died in plane crashes. most start cutting corners because they get a bunch of logged hours and start thinking that nothing will ever happen to them. basically the same reason you go from driving the speed limit with your hands at 10 and 2 to driving after you've probably had 1 too many and/or texting and driving.

Although many many many more people die in auto accidents, the mortality rate for these accidents are not close. I mean getting in an auto accident because you did something stupid and living is pretty likely, just so not true for airplanes. I mean most people flying are (should be) smarter and more logical than the average crap for brains in their '02 Cavalier.

[Rams]

Although many many many more people die in auto accidents, the mortality rate for these accidents are not close. I mean getting in an auto accident because you did something stupid and living is pretty likely, just so not true for airplanes. I mean most people flying are (should be) smarter and more logical than the average crap for brains in their '02 Cavalier.

should be?  absolutely.  are they?  I think you'd be surprised.

[EMAWmeister]

That's been one of the videos on the youtube homepage for a few days now. Pretty terrifying, but the raw human emotion following them realizing they survived is incredible.

[kim carnes]

That's been one of the videos on the youtube homepage for a few days now. Pretty terrifying, but the raw human emotion following them realizing they survived is incredible.

What in the rough ridin' mother of eff was that pilot doing? 

[Johnny Wichita]

That's been one of the videos on the youtube homepage for a few days now. Pretty terrifying, but the raw human emotion following them realizing they survived is incredible.

Holy crap. 

[Pete]

Ya, eff little planes with hobby pilots.  No thank you.

[Demo158]

That's been one of the videos on the youtube homepage for a few days now. Pretty terrifying, but the raw human emotion following them realizing they survived is incredible.

That pilot should've balked that takeoff as soon as he was struggling to get off the runway! He had to have known that he he didn't have near enough altitude to clear those trees way before he got to them. Another example of over-confidence and stupidity. He's damn lucky they all survived, hopefully he learns from it

[Rams]

That's been one of the videos on the youtube homepage for a few days now. Pretty terrifying, but the raw human emotion following them realizing they survived is incredible.

That pilot should've balked that takeoff as soon as he was struggling to get off the runway! He had to have known that he he didn't have near enough altitude to clear those trees way before he got to them. Another example of over-confidence and stupidity. He's damn lucky they all survived, hopefully he learns from it

had to be a simple combination of overweight and thin air, right?  but that looked like some sort of paid tour flight so he should know that plane like the back of his hand and obviously he's used to taking off at high altitudes.  I mean surely he wasn't trying to do something really stupid like take off with the wind.  just very strange.

[kslim]

no rough ridin' way am i getting in a plane that will be taking off on basically a two track road

[EMAWmeister]

read something about the air density making it difficult for that plane to get lift. Idk, seems like it still could have been prevented.

And I heard someone talking about the MHK crash. Sounds like they hit a goose. I feel like that happens a lot.

[Rams]

read something about the air density making it difficult for that plane to get lift. Idk, seems like it still could have been prevented.

And I heard someone talking about the MHK crash. Sounds like they hit a goose. I feel like that happens a lot.

yeah taking off in thin mountain air when he was probably overweight was really rough ridin' dumb and preventable.  hitting a goose, if that's what happened, was just one of those 1% freak accidents that's not really preventable.  I've never heard of another small aircraft going down from a bird strike.  that's what took down the us airways plane that ditched in the hudson a few years ago, but it's pretty rare.

[DOOM_Catz]

If you are at all inclined I would encourage you to visit www.found.k-state.edu/memorials/gruber and make a contribution to the memorial fund benefiting the College of Veterinary Medicine. A gift of any size would make a difference.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

read something about the air density making it difficult for that plane to get lift. Idk, seems like it still could have been prevented.

And I heard someone talking about the MHK crash. Sounds like they hit a goose. I feel like that happens a lot.

yeah taking off in thin mountain air when he was probably overweight was really rough ridin' dumb and preventable.  hitting a goose, if that's what happened, was just one of those 1% freak accidents that's not really preventable.  I've never heard of another small aircraft going down from a bird strike.  that's what took down the us airways plane that ditched in the hudson a few years ago, but it's pretty rare.

How does the bird take down a plane? Getting stuck in the turbine thing?

[steve dave]

read something about the air density making it difficult for that plane to get lift. Idk, seems like it still could have been prevented.

And I heard someone talking about the MHK crash. Sounds like they hit a goose. I feel like that happens a lot.

yeah taking off in thin mountain air when he was probably overweight was really rough ridin' dumb and preventable.  hitting a goose, if that's what happened, was just one of those 1% freak accidents that's not really preventable.  I've never heard of another small aircraft going down from a bird strike.  that's what took down the us airways plane that ditched in the hudson a few years ago, but it's pretty rare.

How does the bird take down a plane? Getting stuck in the turbine thing?

I haven't seen what kind of plane he was flying (could have been in an article I missed or didn't read) but a goose hitting the prop of a 172 or something similar could eff it up. I've been in some small planes that have done some weird crap that I wasn't really aware enough to be scared of at the time. I've been in a 172 that was doing about zero knots into a strong head wind. My parents had a Beech Bonanza for most of my childhood and we would fly it all over the midwest. My grandfather has had to make emergency landings on middle of nowhere country roads when he lost power, had the floor tore out of his plane hitting trees unable to make altitude in time, and many similar brushes with catastrophe. It's scary as crap now thinking back. I think I would be very uncomfortable in one today.

[pissclams]

read something about the air density making it difficult for that plane to get lift. Idk, seems like it still could have been prevented.

And I heard someone talking about the MHK crash. Sounds like they hit a goose. I feel like that happens a lot.

yeah taking off in thin mountain air when he was probably overweight was really rough ridin' dumb and preventable.  hitting a goose, if that's what happened, was just one of those 1% freak accidents that's not really preventable.  I've never heard of another small aircraft going down from a bird strike.  that's what took down the us airways plane that ditched in the hudson a few years ago, but it's pretty rare.

How does the bird take down a plane? Getting stuck in the turbine thing?

the force of impact from a 10lb bird hitting a plane moving at 170mph equals the same amount of energy of a 220lb weight dropped from a height of 50 feet.  chingon - keep me honest here.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_strike

 

[EMAWmeister]

Deer in landing gear 

[Shacks]

no rough ridin' way am i getting in a plane that will be taking off on basically a two track road

Me too, that's some Indiana Jones crap

[CHONGS]

read something about the air density making it difficult for that plane to get lift. Idk, seems like it still could have been prevented.

And I heard someone talking about the MHK crash. Sounds like they hit a goose. I feel like that happens a lot.

yeah taking off in thin mountain air when he was probably overweight was really rough ridin' dumb and preventable.  hitting a goose, if that's what happened, was just one of those 1% freak accidents that's not really preventable.  I've never heard of another small aircraft going down from a bird strike.  that's what took down the us airways plane that ditched in the hudson a few years ago, but it's pretty rare.

How does the bird take down a plane? Getting stuck in the turbine thing?

the force of impact from a 10lb bird hitting a plane moving at 170mph equals the same amount of energy of a 220lb weight dropped from a height of 50 feet.  chingon - keep me honest here.

kinetic energy of 10 lb bird @ 170 mph = 13.1 kJ
kinetic energy of 220 lb weight after falling 50 ft  = 13.8 kJ

so the energies are close.

impact force would depend on what happened after the collision (force =  dp/dt)

[Johnny Wichita]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_strike

 

The majority of bird strikes (65%) cause little damage to the aircraft;[5] however, the collision is usually fatal to the bird.

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[steve dave]

lol

[yoga-like_abana]

A fund has been established at Sunflower Bank, and checks can be made payable to Kai Gruber (and in Memo Line put Gruber Family Benefit Fund). Checks can be mailed directly to Kai or directly to Sunflower Bank at 2070 S. Ohio Street, Salina, KS 67401