Does God Exist?

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Are most believers that way because society tells you that you should believe in a god? What reasons do you have for believing?

If you're really interested you could read "Reason For God".

Can we do weekly readings with discussion at Station?

[Stevesie60]

Are most believers that way because society tells you that you should believe in a god? What reasons do you have for believing?

If you're really interested you could read "Reason For God".

Can we do weekly readings with discussion at Station?

[ksucrcoop]

Adam had been given a Law to follow that in itself included the option to obey or disobey.   ...

Fourth, God didn't cause Adam to sin.  Adam freely chose, when presented with the fruit from his wife, to rebel against God.  Adam fell because he freely chose to disobey God, ...

Fifth, if someone doesn't like the idea that God knew they would be tempted and would fall, and therefore says it was wrong for God to let it happen, then what he would be requesting is that God not allow people to fall into sin, no matter what.  Think about it.  Freedom of choice means that temptations will occur.

If God did give mankind free will than God cannot know what decisions we make, until they are made. God got angry at Adam because he chose to "fall into sin," but that means God didn't know whether Adam would do so or not until the moment he did.

God cannot be all knowing if mankind has free will. If God is all knowing, then humans do not have free will.

A great point and gets the heart of the whole "is there a god debate". It all boils down to one question:

Do you believe in free will (i.e. do we, as individuals, actually make independent choices to live our lives a certain way)?

From a purely scientific perspective, there is no free will. AT ALL. Every action/reaction we have in life is the sum product of our previous experiences. It's simple physics, nothing happens on it is own, all happenings are the result of all previous interactions - starting with the big bang, of course. Everything is predetermined and nothing that will happen can be changed.

Therefore, an atheist CANNOT believe in free will or a conscious or anything metaphysical. It is not possible to have free will if there is no god and we are merely a bunch or molecules that somehow came together via an evolutionary process.

So, do you believe in "free will"? If so, then we are more than just the physical make-ups of our bodies and there is god/metaphysical world. If not, you are no different than the computer you're typing on.

C.S Lewis does a much job explaining all of this...

[michigancat]

C.S Lewis does a much job explaining all of this...

He's the famous fantasy author, correct?

[Dugout DickStone]

Adam had been given a Law to follow that in itself included the option to obey or disobey.   ...

Fourth, God didn't cause Adam to sin.  Adam freely chose, when presented with the fruit from his wife, to rebel against God.  Adam fell because he freely chose to disobey God, ...

Fifth, if someone doesn't like the idea that God knew they would be tempted and would fall, and therefore says it was wrong for God to let it happen, then what he would be requesting is that God not allow people to fall into sin, no matter what.  Think about it.  Freedom of choice means that temptations will occur.

If God did give mankind free will than God cannot know what decisions we make, until they are made. God got angry at Adam because he chose to "fall into sin," but that means God didn't know whether Adam would do so or not until the moment he did.

God cannot be all knowing if mankind has free will. If God is all knowing, then humans do not have free will.

A great point and gets the heart of the whole "is there a god debate". It all boils down to one question:

Do you believe in free will (i.e. do we, as individuals, actually make independent choices to live our lives a certain way)?

From a purely scientific perspective, there is no free will. AT ALL. Every action/reaction we have in life is the sum product of our previous experiences. It's simple physics, nothing happens on it is own, all happenings are the result of all previous interactions - starting with the big bang, of course. Everything is predetermined and nothing that will happen can be changed.

Therefore, an atheist CANNOT believe in free will or a conscious or anything metaphysical. It is not possible to have free will if there is no god and we are merely a bunch or molecules that somehow came together via an evolutionary process.

So, do you believe in "free will"? If so, then we are more than just the physical make-ups of our bodies and there is god/metaphysical world. If not, you are no different than the computer you're typing on.

C.S Lewis does a much job explaining all of this...

that doesn't make any sense unless you are trying to screw with an atheist.

[CNS]

C.S Lewis does a much job explaining all of this...

He's the famous fantasy author, correct?

No, your thinking of Ron Hubbard.

[Dugout DickStone]

C.S Lewis does a much job explaining all of this...

He's the famous fantasy author, correct?

No, your thinking of Ron Hubbard.

Who is the religious guy who wrote about Narnia and what not?

[steve dave]

C.S Lewis does a much job explaining all of this...

He's the famous fantasy author, correct?

No, your thinking of Ron Hubbard.

Who is the religious guy who wrote about Narnia and what not?

you're thinking of dave ramsey

[ksucrcoop]

Adam had been given a Law to follow that in itself included the option to obey or disobey.   ...

Fourth, God didn't cause Adam to sin.  Adam freely chose, when presented with the fruit from his wife, to rebel against God.  Adam fell because he freely chose to disobey God, ...

Fifth, if someone doesn't like the idea that God knew they would be tempted and would fall, and therefore says it was wrong for God to let it happen, then what he would be requesting is that God not allow people to fall into sin, no matter what.  Think about it.  Freedom of choice means that temptations will occur.

If God did give mankind free will than God cannot know what decisions we make, until they are made. God got angry at Adam because he chose to "fall into sin," but that means God didn't know whether Adam would do so or not until the moment he did.

God cannot be all knowing if mankind has free will. If God is all knowing, then humans do not have free will.

A great point and gets the heart of the whole "is there a god debate". It all boils down to one question:

Do you believe in free will (i.e. do we, as individuals, actually make independent choices to live our lives a certain way)?

From a purely scientific perspective, there is no free will. AT ALL. Every action/reaction we have in life is the sum product of our previous experiences. It's simple physics, nothing happens on it is own, all happenings are the result of all previous interactions - starting with the big bang, of course. Everything is predetermined and nothing that will happen can be changed.

Therefore, an atheist CANNOT believe in free will or a conscious or anything metaphysical. It is not possible to have free will if there is no god and we are merely a bunch or molecules that somehow came together via an evolutionary process.

So, do you believe in "free will"? If so, then we are more than just the physical make-ups of our bodies and there is god/metaphysical world. If not, you are no different than the computer you're typing on.

C.S Lewis does a much job explaining all of this...

that doesn't make any sense unless you are trying to screw with an atheist.

How does it not make sense?

There is no gray area here. how does free will/choice exist without a soul/conscience/whatever?

[steve dave]

your argument is super flawed croop

[michigancat]

How does it not make sense?

There is no gray area here. how does free will/choice exist without a soul/conscience/whatever?

Of course there is gray area. Dogs and monkeys have freaking free will. We are all just giant robots for genes to replicate themselves. Free thought is just some advanced crap the molecules ended up with.

[ksucrcoop]

your argument is super flawed croop

then please explain how. It's a pretty simple and widely accepted theory by both atheists and non-atheists.

[CNS]

C.S Lewis does a much job explaining all of this...

He's the famous fantasy author, correct?

No, your thinking of Ron Hubbard.

Who is the religious guy who wrote about Narnia and what not?

You guys are probs right.  I keep getting all these fiction writers that heavily effect the religious world confused.

[chum1]

your argument is super flawed croop

then please explain how. It's a pretty simple and widely accepted theory by both atheists and non-atheists.

It's widely accepted that God exists. But, to you point, you can believe whatever you want about God and also believe whatever you want about free will and still be logically consistent.

[j-dub]

pretty sure you guys are just effing around, but it's like this:

science fiction author, creator of scientology/tom cruise - ron hubbard

science fiction author, narnia, mere christianity/screwtape letters/other christian writings author - c.s. lewis

[michigancat]

pretty sure you guys are just effing around, but it's like this:

science fiction author, creator of scientology/tom cruise - ron hubbard

science fiction author, narnia, mere christianity/screwtape letters/other christian writings author - c.s. lewis

then which religion does Dave Ramsey write for?

[michigancat]

If God exists, is he a wise old lion?

[j-dub]

pretty sure you guys are just effing around, but it's like this:

science fiction author, creator of scientology/tom cruise - ron hubbard

science fiction author, narnia, mere christianity/screwtape letters/other christian writings author - c.s. lewis

then which religion does Dave Ramsey write for?

cash carrying evangelicals :shrugs:

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

your argument is super flawed croop

then please explain how. It's a pretty simple and widely accepted theory by both atheists and non-atheists.

It's widely accepted that God exists. But, to you point, you can believe whatever you want about God and also believe whatever you want about free will and still be logically consistent.

  based on what? Faith?

[michigancat]

your argument is super flawed croop

then please explain how. It's a pretty simple and widely accepted theory by both atheists and non-atheists.

It's widely accepted that God exists. But, to you point, you can believe whatever you want about God and also believe whatever you want about free will and still be logically consistent.

  based on what? Faith?

just because something is widely accepted doesn't mean it's true.

[CNS]

Wives' Tales.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

your argument is super flawed croop

then please explain how. It's a pretty simple and widely accepted theory by both atheists and non-atheists.

It's widely accepted that God exists. But, to you point, you can believe whatever you want about God and also believe whatever you want about free will and still be logically consistent.

  based on what? Faith?

just because something is widely accepted doesn't mean it's true.

That's true. I have something new to add to the Overrated Things thread

[Dugout DickStone]

your argument is super flawed croop

then please explain how. It's a pretty simple and widely accepted theory by both atheists and non-atheists.

Because most people I know have free will.  Your horribly flawed argument just lost its free will.

[sys]

If God exists, is he a wise old lion?

no, jesus is the lion (of judah).  he's also part man and part god.  that's why he's called the trinity.

[michigancat]

If God exists, is he a wise old lion?

no, jesus is the lion (of judah).  he's also part man and part god.  that's why he's called the trinity.

lion, man, god? rad.