SIAP: Good Grantland article on the pace of college basketball

[Panjandrum]

I thought this was pretty good.  And I think it has relevance to some of the conversations that have been on the board regarding our offense.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8959324/college-basketball-scoring-problem-west-liberty-university-coach-jim-crutchfield

"Coaches are a lot more control freaks than they've ever been," says Baucom, which is not a complaint you hear very often from a coach at a school that claims to foster "punctuality, order, discipline, courtesy, and respect for authority."

"I call 'em joystick coaches," Baucom tells me. "They try to orchestrate every movement instead of letting 'em play. It becomes kind of like a wrestling match. There's teams in our league that run 20 seconds of false motion to get the shot clock down, and then run a set. I watch some teams play and it looks like the kids are in jail."

[michigancat]

that's great. I love that guy. He echoes a lot of what I've said.

[steve dave]

grantland is the best because it is just such good journalism, also I've said that same thing here all the time essentially re. this basektball thing

[pissclams]

that is great, i love him too. he's basically copied everything i post here.

[michigancat]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

[OregonSmock]

Great stuff.  Thanks for sharing.

[steve dave]

bother much with networking. A few years ago he got a call from an agent who asked if he could put Crutchfield's name up for Division I openings; Crutchfield agreed, and he's declined every job he's been offered since. This is the state where he grew up, and this is the state

 

[pissclams]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't. 

[catzacker]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't.

Some time’s it’s a self fulfilling prophecy maybe?  Like, how do we know that Whisky doesn’t have the skill set to do this when their coach would rather the world ended than a get into transition?

[michigancat]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't. 

Yes, I do believe that. I think every skill level should try to score in transition every possession, whether if it's off a miss, a make, or out-of-bounds. This doesn't mean every team should shoot in transition every possession, but they should at least see if they can get a shot. If they can't, then they can still run around and pass for 20 seconds before setting a high ball screen.

[pissclams]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't.

Some time’s it’s a self fulfilling prophecy maybe?  Like, how do we know that Whisky doesn’t have the skill set to do this when their coach would rather the world ended than a get into transition?

are you implying that wisconsin doesn't have highly skilled players?

[pissclams]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't. 

Yes, I do believe that. I think every skill level should try to score in transition every possession, whether if it's off a miss, a make, or out-of-bounds. This doesn't mean every team should shoot in transition every possession, but they should at least see if they can get a shot. If they can't, then they can run around and pass for 20 seconds before setting a high ball screen.

what's the difference between a shot in transition, and a shot found within an offense?

[catzacker]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't.

Some time’s it’s a self fulfilling prophecy maybe?  Like, how do we know that Whisky doesn’t have the skill set to do this when their coach would rather the world ended than a get into transition?

are you implying that wisconsin doesn't have highly skilled players?

I’m responding to the idea that certain skill sets are for transition, others for “traditional” offense. 

[ChiComCat]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't. 

Yes, I do believe that. I think every skill level should try to score in transition every possession, whether if it's off a miss, a make, or out-of-bounds. This doesn't mean every team should shoot in transition every possession, but they should at least see if they can get a shot. If they can't, then they can run around and pass for 20 seconds before setting a high ball screen.

what's the difference between a shot in transition, and a shot found within an offense?

Comfort of the defense and likelihood to get a foul call

[michigancat]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't. 

Yes, I do believe that. I think every skill level should try to score in transition every possession, whether if it's off a miss, a make, or out-of-bounds. This doesn't mean every team should shoot in transition every possession, but they should at least see if they can get a shot. If they can't, then they can run around and pass for 20 seconds before setting a high ball screen.

what's the difference between a shot in transition, and a shot found within an offense?

what if transition is an offense? boom. mind blown.

[pissclams]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't.

Some time’s it’s a self fulfilling prophecy maybe?  Like, how do we know that Whisky doesn’t have the skill set to do this when their coach would rather the world ended than a get into transition?

are you implying that wisconsin doesn't have highly skilled players?

I’m responding to the idea that certain skill sets are for transition, others for “traditional” offense. 

you answered a question with a question, big no-no, catzacker.   
what's wisconsin's level of success in transition versus any high tempo team of your choosing? 

[pissclams]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't. 

Yes, I do believe that. I think every skill level should try to score in transition every possession, whether if it's off a miss, a make, or out-of-bounds. This doesn't mean every team should shoot in transition every possession, but they should at least see if they can get a shot. If they can't, then they can run around and pass for 20 seconds before setting a high ball screen.

what's the difference between a shot in transition, and a shot found within an offense?

what if transition is an offense? boom. mind blown.

who runs that?

[catzacker]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't.

Some time’s it’s a self fulfilling prophecy maybe?  Like, how do we know that Whisky doesn’t have the skill set to do this when their coach would rather the world ended than a get into transition?

are you implying that wisconsin doesn't have highly skilled players?

I’m responding to the idea that certain skill sets are for transition, others for “traditional” offense. 

you answered a question with a question, big no-no, catzacker.   
what's wisconsin's level of success in transition versus any high tempo team of your choosing?

what's their level of success playing high tempo against a high tempo team?  answer:  we'll never know.

[sonofdaxjones]

Nothing would make me happier than to see a more free flowing game with the defensive side of the ball cleaned up (and the hip check ball screen wiped out on offense so teams quit rough ridin' doing it all the time).   With the ball being pushed down the floor, secondary break and then only if they don't have a primary or secondary the ball pulled out and some type of offense run . . . without plays of course.

[michigancat]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't. 

Yes, I do believe that. I think every skill level should try to score in transition every possession, whether if it's off a miss, a make, or out-of-bounds. This doesn't mean every team should shoot in transition every possession, but they should at least see if they can get a shot. If they can't, then they can run around and pass for 20 seconds before setting a high ball screen.

what's the difference between a shot in transition, and a shot found within an offense?

what if transition is an offense? boom. mind blown.

who runs that?

Who runs transition offense? Ha, thought you were trying to have a serious discussion.

[pissclams]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't. 

Yes, I do believe that. I think every skill level should try to score in transition every possession, whether if it's off a miss, a make, or out-of-bounds. This doesn't mean every team should shoot in transition every possession, but they should at least see if they can get a shot. If they can't, then they can run around and pass for 20 seconds before setting a high ball screen.

what's the difference between a shot in transition, and a shot found within an offense?

what if transition is an offense? boom. mind blown.

who runs that?

Who runs transition offense? Ha, thought you were trying to have a serious discussion.

doesn't everyone? 

[michigancat]

doesn't everyone? 

Maybe? Maybe not?

[pissclams]

"I don't think teams seriously look to score in transition enough," he says. "You get 20 seconds of, 'We're kind of looking to score, we're passing the ball but really not doing anything.' And then, 'OK, here we go, 12 seconds on the shot clock, here comes the high ball screen.'

do you think that all offenses, regardless of player's skill level, benefit from trying to score as much as possible in transition?
i don't.

Some time’s it’s a self fulfilling prophecy maybe?  Like, how do we know that Whisky doesn’t have the skill set to do this when their coach would rather the world ended than a get into transition?

are you implying that wisconsin doesn't have highly skilled players?

I’m responding to the idea that certain skill sets are for transition, others for “traditional” offense. 

you answered a question with a question, big no-no, catzacker.   
what's wisconsin's level of success in transition versus any high tempo team of your choosing?

what's their level of success playing high tempo against a high tempo team?  answer:  we'll never know.

good stuff, catzacker.   

[pissclams]

doesn't everyone? 

Maybe? Maybe not?

what are your thoughts on the dribble drive motion as it relates to the transition game?

[chum1]

Dumb article.