If you can't stand the heat...

[Panjandrum]

also, the other downside is you can look really stupid

When you put something out there, you will inevitably find someone who disagrees with you and thinks you're stupid.

[ChiComCat]

Kitchen doesn't get to call everyone who disagrees with him stupid without them being allowed to call him stupid back.

Also, I would totally take Upshaw's frosh year for a 7 footer.

[Panjandrum]

Kitchen doesn't get to call everyone who disagrees with him stupid without them being allowed to call him stupid back.

Also, I would totally take Upshaw's frosh year for a 7 footer.

I'm pretty sure he was aware of that when he adopted that tone.

[Dr Rick Daris]

I'm not going to be critical of Kitchen's writing because I've always read it as a blog. Its not like he's writing for a paper or a fan site with an editor, its simply an independent blog where he puts out his opinion. I don't see it much different than my _FANframes, etc. I know that my writing generally has plenty of errors and can be picked apart as well, so maybe I'm less likely to be critical because of that.

You don't come out and write slam pieces against coaches, teams, or fanbases, either.

It was chippy, but if you have free reign to write whatever is on your mind, why not?  He's not a beat writer.  He is a blogger with credentials and access to interview coaches, players, and administration.  If you want to get something off of your chest, do it.

because you might lose your access?

Always a possibility, but say what you want and let the chips fall where they may.  It's not like he's got a business to support based on access.

yep. man oh man i'm going to write a really hard hitting piece of journalism. now just who should i write it on???

a current coach? nope. not a good idea.
a current player? nope. not a good idea.
a current kstate atheletic dept employee? nope. not a good idea.
some annoying fans that a lot of people don't already like? boom. jackpot.

i mean curtis basically just wrote the equivalent of a pep rally speech where the guy is tanking and stuttering the whole time but ends it with manhattan high football rules! and then everybody applauds and goes wild and cheerleaders victory pyramid then talk of two kegs at red bridge or goofy. sorry friend of curtis kitchen but it was cheap, lazy, and riddled with inaccuracies. oh well though it's up to 5 pages now on this blog so i guess he's doing something right.

[Panjandrum]

I'm not going to be critical of Kitchen's writing because I've always read it as a blog. Its not like he's writing for a paper or a fan site with an editor, its simply an independent blog where he puts out his opinion. I don't see it much different than my _FANframes, etc. I know that my writing generally has plenty of errors and can be picked apart as well, so maybe I'm less likely to be critical because of that.

You don't come out and write slam pieces against coaches, teams, or fanbases, either.

It was chippy, but if you have free reign to write whatever is on your mind, why not?  He's not a beat writer.  He is a blogger with credentials and access to interview coaches, players, and administration.  If you want to get something off of your chest, do it.

because you might lose your access?

Always a possibility, but say what you want and let the chips fall where they may.  It's not like he's got a business to support based on access.

yep. man oh man i'm going to write a really hard hitting piece of journalism. now just who should i write it on???

a current coach? nope. not a good idea.
a current player? nope. not a good idea.
a current kstate atheletic dept employee? nope. not a good idea.
some annoying fans that a lot of people don't already like? boom. jackpot.

i mean curtis basically just wrote the equivalent of a pep rally speech where the guy is tanking and stuttering the whole time but ends it with manhattan high football rules! and then everybody applauds and goes wild and cheerleaders victory pyramid. cheap, lazy, ridden with inaccuracies. oh well though it's up to 5 pages now on this blog so i guess he's doing something right.

For the record, while I don't agree with everything that's said here, I am a aE proponent and defender.  And my previous post that you responded to wasn't in support of me telling you how to think, it's my opinion on the "rope" I'm willing to give oscar.  You know that I respect your opinion and enjoy you as a poster.

[michigancat]

also, the other downside is you can look really stupid

When you put something out there, you will inevitably find someone who disagrees with you and thinks you're stupid.

Oh, I don't think he's stupid because I disagree with what he says.

[Dr Rick Daris]

I'm not going to be critical of Kitchen's writing because I've always read it as a blog. Its not like he's writing for a paper or a fan site with an editor, its simply an independent blog where he puts out his opinion. I don't see it much different than my _FANframes, etc. I know that my writing generally has plenty of errors and can be picked apart as well, so maybe I'm less likely to be critical because of that.

You don't come out and write slam pieces against coaches, teams, or fanbases, either.

It was chippy, but if you have free reign to write whatever is on your mind, why not?  He's not a beat writer.  He is a blogger with credentials and access to interview coaches, players, and administration.  If you want to get something off of your chest, do it.

because you might lose your access?

Always a possibility, but say what you want and let the chips fall where they may.  It's not like he's got a business to support based on access.

yep. man oh man i'm going to write a really hard hitting piece of journalism. now just who should i write it on???

a current coach? nope. not a good idea.
a current player? nope. not a good idea.
a current kstate atheletic dept employee? nope. not a good idea.
some annoying fans that a lot of people don't already like? boom. jackpot.

i mean curtis basically just wrote the equivalent of a pep rally speech where the guy is tanking and stuttering the whole time but ends it with manhattan high football rules! and then everybody applauds and goes wild and cheerleaders victory pyramid. cheap, lazy, ridden with inaccuracies. oh well though it's up to 5 pages now on this blog so i guess he's doing something right.

For the record, while I don't agree with everything that's said here, I am a aE proponent and defender.  And my previous post that you responded to wasn't in support of me telling you how to think, it's my opinion on the "rope" I'm willing to give oscar.  You know that I respect your opinion and enjoy you as a poster.

i haven't posted much in the last month, so when i do i'm doubling down on snark. no offense. the "article" was pretty bad though as numerous people have already pointed out.

also, by all means take your time on oscar. i mean everybody here loves _fan and i'm pretty sure that if you asked him today, he'd still want woolridge coaching the team if at all possible. this is a pretty forgiving bunch.

[steve dave]

I just don't think his stuff is very well written. not even to the level of pseudo-intellectual. maybe two or three pseudos. maybe four.

Whatever idiot, that's your opinion and I wouldn't be surprised if you're a Jew or even a dark skinned ethnic minority. Kitchen rules!

Whoa, listen, I'm just making a point regarding his writing. I don't think racism is something you should bring into this.

I hate you and I think a woman's place is in the kitchen! Curtis Kitchen on the other hand is a stud!

Well, that's fine. I don't agree though. Look how much more reasonable I am than you.

DUR DUR DUR DUR FARTNOISE DUR!

I'm ending this conversation because I am the better and more intelligent person.

[michigancat]

Kitchen doesn't get to call everyone who disagrees with him stupid without them being allowed to call him stupid back.

Also, I would totally take Upshaw's frosh year for a 7 footer.

Yeah, Moose + Upshaw + un Chris Lowery'ed Gip sounds like a pretty nice front line.

[kso_FAN]

i mean everybody here loves _fan and i'm pretty sure that if you asked him today, he'd still want woolridge coaching the team if at all possible. this is a pretty forgiving bunch.

I'm more patient/forgiving than most, but I've said multiple times my patience with Wooly was extremely dumb and I will not repeat that again. 6 years for that guy is still an embarrassment to K-State basketball.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

the tldr -

CK:  quit being a bunch of bitches, gE...you guys suck and are stupid.  oscar, along with everyone else, is better than you deserve.
gE:  CK, your passive-aggressive attack on gE was was riddled with logical fallacies, grammar mistakes, poor composition and your website is ugly.  thanks for the amusement.
Panjandrum:  hey guys. CK is my friend irl and a pretty good guy fwiw.  i feel sad when you are mean to him.

[slucat]

i mean everybody here loves _fan and i'm pretty sure that if you asked him today, he'd still want woolridge coaching the team if at all possible. this is a pretty forgiving bunch.

I'm more patient/forgiving than most, but I've said multiple times my patience with Wooly was extremely dumb and I will not repeat that again. 6 years for that guy is still an embarrassment to K-State basketball.

oscar does not equal Wooly...
 
Yeah, I know no one was saying that...
But Give Brucey SOME credit.  The early exit was very disappointing, but the season overall way pretty awesome. Hating on they guy because he was fired or has an annoying voice has gotten old...this season should give him a couple (2-3) years of time to see how things work out, and for gods sakes, the guy had surgery as a child which rendered his voice intolerable...cut him some slack.

[steve dave]

i mean everybody here loves _fan and i'm pretty sure that if you asked him today, he'd still want woolridge coaching the team if at all possible. this is a pretty forgiving bunch.

I'm more patient/forgiving than most, but I've said multiple times my patience with Wooly was extremely dumb and I will not repeat that again. 6 years for that guy is still an embarrassment to K-State basketball.

oscar does not equal Wooly...
 
Yeah, I know no one was saying that...
But Give Brucey SOME credit.  The early exit was very disappointing, but the season overall way pretty awesome. Hating on they guy because he was fired or has an annoying voice has gotten old...this season should give him a couple (2-3) years of time to see how things work out, and for gods sakes, the guy had surgery as a child which rendered his voice intolerable...cut him some slack.

I liked the part where you said you knew it was a strawman and then went on to beat the living eff out of the strawman.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

i mean everybody here loves _fan and i'm pretty sure that if you asked him today, he'd still want woolridge coaching the team if at all possible. this is a pretty forgiving bunch.

I'm more patient/forgiving than most, but I've said multiple times my patience with Wooly was extremely dumb and I will not repeat that again. 6 years for that guy is still an embarrassment to K-State basketball.

oscar does not equal Wooly...
 
Yeah, I know no one was saying that...
But Give Brucey SOME credit.  The early exit was very disappointing, but the season overall way pretty awesome. Hating on they guy because he was fired or has an annoying voice has gotten old...this season should give him a couple (2-3) years of time to see how things work out, and for gods sakes, the guy had surgery as a child which rendered his voice intolerable...cut him some slack.

I liked the part where you said you knew it was a strawman and then went on to beat the living eff out of the strawman.

he just red herringed a straw man 

[steve dave]

 

[Panjandrum]

i haven't posted much in the last month, so when i do i'm doubling down on snark. no offense. the "article" was pretty bad though as numerous people have already pointed out.

also, by all means take your time on oscar. i mean everybody here loves _fan and i'm pretty sure that if you asked him today, he'd still want woolridge coaching the team if at all possible. this is a pretty forgiving bunch.

I wouldn't have taken that tone, and I'll probably say as much.  Especially after last Friday.  IMO, oscar gained some capital with folks sitting on the fence during the conference season, but he lost a lot during the La Salle game, especially with me.  I thought he treated the NCAA tournament like it was some reward or bowl game.  And I hated his attitude during the post-game press conference.  So, I think it's understandable that people want to open fire.  I'm just hoping for the best and trying to talk myself into some sort of positive outlook.

[Panjandrum]

the tldr -

CK:  quit being a bunch of bitches, gE...you guys suck and are stupid.  oscar, along with everyone else, is better than you deserve.
gE:  CK, your passive-aggressive attack on gE was was riddled with logical fallacies, grammar mistakes, poor composition and your website is ugly.  thanks for the amusement.
PanJakes:  hey guys. CK is my friend irl and a pretty good guy fwiw.  i feel sad when you are mean to him.

Me and the pan jakes video guy are not the same guy.  I don't know how to make videos.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

the tldr -

CK:  quit being a bunch of bitches, gE...you guys suck and are stupid.  oscar, along with everyone else, is better than you deserve.
gE:  CK, your passive-aggressive attack on gE was was riddled with logical fallacies, grammar mistakes, poor composition and your website is ugly.  thanks for the amusement.
Panjandrum:  hey guys. CK is my friend irl and a pretty good guy fwiw.  i feel sad when you are mean to him.

Me and the pan jakes video guy are not the same guy.  I don't know how to make videos.

oh sorry, fix'd

[ksupamplemousse]

i haven't posted much in the last month, so when i do i'm doubling down on snark. no offense. the "article" was pretty bad though as numerous people have already pointed out.

also, by all means take your time on oscar. i mean everybody here loves _fan and i'm pretty sure that if you asked him today, he'd still want woolridge coaching the team if at all possible. this is a pretty forgiving bunch.

I wouldn't have taken that tone, and I'll probably say as much.  Especially after last Friday.  IMO, oscar gained some capital with folks sitting on the fence during the conference season, but he lost a lot during the La Salle game, especially with me.  I thought he treated the NCAA tournament like it was some reward or bowl game.  And I hated his attitude during the post-game press conference.  So, I think it's understandable that people want to open fire.  I'm just hoping for the best and trying to talk myself into some sort of positive outlook.

His, "Let's make it one game farther than we did last year in the tourney" motivational tactic was the most uninspiring, cowardly, idiotic thing I've heard him say so far. Really left a sour taste in my mouth when the result was an early exit at the hands of LaSalle. That will keep my oscar hate fueled until he wins another conference championship, tourney game, or lands a good recruit.

[OregonSmock]

Looks like someone has a bad case of Weberitis.

[Panjandrum]

i haven't posted much in the last month, so when i do i'm doubling down on snark. no offense. the "article" was pretty bad though as numerous people have already pointed out.

also, by all means take your time on oscar. i mean everybody here loves _fan and i'm pretty sure that if you asked him today, he'd still want woolridge coaching the team if at all possible. this is a pretty forgiving bunch.

I wouldn't have taken that tone, and I'll probably say as much.  Especially after last Friday.  IMO, oscar gained some capital with folks sitting on the fence during the conference season, but he lost a lot during the La Salle game, especially with me.  I thought he treated the NCAA tournament like it was some reward or bowl game.  And I hated his attitude during the post-game press conference.  So, I think it's understandable that people want to open fire.  I'm just hoping for the best and trying to talk myself into some sort of positive outlook.

His, "Let's make it one game farther than we did last year in the tourney" motivational tactic was the most uninspiring, cowardly, idiotic thing I've heard him say so far. Really left a sour taste in my mouth when the result was an early exit at the hands of LaSalle. That will keep my oscar hate fueled until he wins another conference championship, tourney game, or lands a good recruit.

I was really taken aback (in a negative way) by that.

[ksupamplemousse]

i haven't posted much in the last month, so when i do i'm doubling down on snark. no offense. the "article" was pretty bad though as numerous people have already pointed out.

also, by all means take your time on oscar. i mean everybody here loves _fan and i'm pretty sure that if you asked him today, he'd still want woolridge coaching the team if at all possible. this is a pretty forgiving bunch.

I wouldn't have taken that tone, and I'll probably say as much.  Especially after last Friday.  IMO, oscar gained some capital with folks sitting on the fence during the conference season, but he lost a lot during the La Salle game, especially with me.  I thought he treated the NCAA tournament like it was some reward or bowl game.  And I hated his attitude during the post-game press conference.  So, I think it's understandable that people want to open fire.  I'm just hoping for the best and trying to talk myself into some sort of positive outlook.

His, "Let's make it one game farther than we did last year in the tourney" motivational tactic was the most uninspiring, cowardly, idiotic thing I've heard him say so far. Really left a sour taste in my mouth when the result was an early exit at the hands of LaSalle. That will keep my oscar hate fueled until he wins another conference championship, tourney game, or lands a good recruit.

I was really taken aback (in a negative way) by that.

By his approach to the tourney, or by my critique of his previously stated approach?

[michigancat]

one thing that's funny is oscar's approach and results in the tournament are the absolute least of my concerns with him.

[TheFormerKCCat]

the guy had surgery as a child which rendered his voice intolerable

If this is true, I'll feel guilty for letting his voice bother me so much (but it still does & still will, unless he starts beating KU regularly).

[ksupamplemousse]

one thing that's funny is oscar's approach and results in the tournament are the absolute least of my concerns with him.

Yeah, not being in the tournament will render this talking point moot.