If you can't stand the heat...

[Panjandrum]

Did he attend and graduate from KSU?  Asked him this question and did not get a response.

No, he did not.  But he is/was a KSU fan.

[michigancat]

Did he attend and graduate from KSU?  Asked him this question and did not get a response.

No, he did not.  But he is/was a KSU fan.

why are you protecting frank? Grow some balls and tell us what happened.

[Panjandrum]

Did he attend and graduate from KSU?  Asked him this question and did not get a response.

No, he did not.  But he is/was a KSU fan.

why are you protecting frank? Grow some balls and tell us what happened.

I'm not protecting Frank.  It was a private conversation, and I'm not going to share the details.  _FAN implied that there is a history there.  I can confirm that.

It wasn't a long drawn out ordeal.  Frank was apparently really cool until a misunderstanding occurred, and he cut Curtis off.  That's ultimately the gist of it.

[pvegs]

Regardless of content, as a copy editor it would not have made it past my desk.  The incredible laziness of most sportswriters is what gets to me. That being said, Kitchen is usually ok.

[michigancat]

Did he attend and graduate from KSU?  Asked him this question and did not get a response.

No, he did not.  But he is/was a KSU fan.

why are you protecting frank? Grow some balls and tell us what happened.

I'm not protecting Frank.  It was a private conversation, and I'm not going to share the details.  _FAN implied that there is a history there.  I can confirm that.

It wasn't a long drawn out ordeal.  Frank was apparently really cool until a misunderstanding occurred, and he cut Curtis off.  That's ultimately the gist of it.

if you aren't protecting Frank, what happened wasn't that big of a deal and it would most likely make Kitchen look bad more than Frank.

[Winters]

I don't think that is his "job" fwiw

It's not.  It's a side gig.

I'll be ignorant somewhere else. 

[kso_FAN]

I'm not going to be critical of Kitchen's writing because I've always read it as a blog. Its not like he's writing for a paper or a fan site with an editor, its simply an independent blog where he puts out his opinion. I don't see it much different than my _FANframes, etc. I know that my writing generally has plenty of errors and can be picked apart as well, so maybe I'm less likely to be critical because of that.

[Panjandrum]

Did he attend and graduate from KSU?  Asked him this question and did not get a response.

No, he did not.  But he is/was a KSU fan.

why are you protecting frank? Grow some balls and tell us what happened.

I'm not protecting Frank.  It was a private conversation, and I'm not going to share the details.  _FAN implied that there is a history there.  I can confirm that.

It wasn't a long drawn out ordeal.  Frank was apparently really cool until a misunderstanding occurred, and he cut Curtis off.  That's ultimately the gist of it.

if you aren't protecting Frank, what happened wasn't that big of a deal and it would most likely make Kitchen look bad more than Frank.

Not really.  I don't think anyone looks "bad" in the situation as I remember it.  The conversation took place a year ago, right after Frank left, so some details are a little hazy now.  I think that it just confirmed that Frank had no problem burning bridges with people, which is something we already knew from a lot of different avenues.

[ednksu]

Jesus some of you are dense.  Sometimes its more important to protect the availability to converse rather than the actual content of the conversations. People need to untuck.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm not going to be critical of Kitchen's writing because I've always read it as a blog. Its not like he's writing for a paper or a fan site with an editor, its simply an independent blog where he puts out his opinion. I don't see it much different than my _FANframes, etc. I know that my writing generally has plenty of errors and can be picked apart as well, so maybe I'm less likely to be critical because of that.

You don't come out and write slam pieces against coaches, teams, or fanbases, either.

[michigancat]

I think that it just confirmed that Frank had no problem burning bridges with people, which is something we already knew from a lot of different avenues.

it's funny how this is so well known, yet no one has shared any real details of any example of "bridge burning".

[OK_Cat]

I think that it just confirmed that Frank had no problem burning bridges with people, which is something we already knew from a lot of different avenues.

it's funny how this is so well known, yet no one has shared any real details of any example of "bridge burning".

ALL THE PLAYERS WERE GOING TO WALK!

[XocolateThundarr]

I guess I would rather be a nagging wife than a little bitch.

[XocolateThundarr]

and Pan, I don't want to offend you on this deal but his attitude about this issue just irritates the hell out of me.

[steve dave]

remember when we used to make D. say "IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT STAY OUT OF THE FRITCHEN!" on twitter?

[Dugout DickStone]

You guys are famous for your insecurity.  I'm glad someone finally had the guts to say it.

 

Yeah, I'm glad Mr. Bread can really see it and say it. Its probably the most annoying aspect of the K-State fan base. I'm sure I'm guilty myself from time to time.

Come on, from my anecdotal perspective having not lived in the midwest for nearly 2 decades now.   I am surrounded by fans (some of which are actual alumni) of two of the bluest blood basketball schools in existence.   They literally melt down at the first wisp of an attempt or perceived attempt by anyone to slight their favorite school . . . be it message board, media, whatever.    Dude, this message board caused a complete meltdown with actual local news coverage over a perceived slight of a school and their football program.   This message board caused members of another fan base to try and have us censored by the KSU administration.

So, spare me this "K-State fans are thin skinned" B.S.  Hell, over on phog their head explodes if Kevin Keitzman . . . Kevin Effing Keitzman isn't kissing their ass 24/7.  Hell, at one time they actually tried to start a boycott campaign of his sponsors. 

It's an inherent reality within all fan bases that actually care.

The "self loathing KSU fan who tells everyone they are insecure and by comparison they are totally not sensitive" was played out about 2 years ago.

[Panjandrum]

and Pan, I don't want to offend you on this deal but his attitude about this issue just irritates the hell out of me.

We don't agree on everything, and I said as much.  On occasion, at least in football, we've had point/counterpoint phone calls.

My concerns that I've shared with him are consistent with some of the larger fears on this board.  How will he recruit?  Does he instill the right attitude with his players?  Does he put emphasis on the wrong things, etc.? 

However, I do mainly agree with him that the notion that Weber is destined to fail isn't something we can definitely predict, and at this point, after winning a conference title (even in a down year), he's earned the right to at least have a "wait-and-see" attitude next year after we lose Rodney, Tay, and JO.  If things go into the dumpster immediately, then yeah, #BID, but I'm willing to at least give him and these new recruits another year.

[steve dave]

you know when someone is recounting an argument they had with someone else and they use a really freakish voice for the other person to make their side of the argument sound better? that's what the bolded strawmen remind me of.

[XocolateThundarr]

and Pan, I don't want to offend you on this deal but his attitude about this issue just irritates the hell out of me.

We don't agree on everything, and I said as much.  On occasion, at least in football, we've had point/counterpoint phone calls.

My concerns that I've shared with him are consistent with some of the larger fears on this board.  How will he recruit?  Does he instill the right attitude with his players?  Does he put emphasis on the wrong things, etc.? 

However, I do mainly agree with him that the notion that Weber is destined to fail isn't something we can definitely predict, and at this point, after winning a conference title (even in a down year), he's earned the right to at least have a "wait-and-see" attitude next year after we lose Rodney, Tay, and JO.  If things go into the dumpster immediately, then yeah, #BID, but I'm willing to at least give him and these new recruits another year.

As I said on twitter yesterday, I don't think we will have an option outside of letting this play out for at least one to two more years (outside of someone having pictures).  What pisses me off about his article and a lot of people on twitter is that they treat the shared title as a get out of jail free card and act like he (or any coach for that matter) is beyond reproach.  What these people are missing is the genuine interest in the good of the program that we have.  Weber may turn out to be a fantastic coach here.......I just have my doubts based on past performance.

[Dr Rick Daris]

and Pan, I don't want to offend you on this deal but his attitude about this issue just irritates the hell out of me.

We don't agree on everything, and I said as much.  On occasion, at least in football, we've had point/counterpoint phone calls.

My concerns that I've shared with him are consistent with some of the larger fears on this board.  How will he recruit?  Does he instill the right attitude with his players?  Does he put emphasis on the wrong things, etc.? 

However, I do mainly agree with him that the notion that Weber is destined to fail isn't something we can definitely predict, and at this point, after winning a conference title (even in a down year), he's earned the right to at least have a "wait-and-see" attitude next year after we lose Rodney, Tay, and JO.  If things go into the dumpster immediately, then yeah, #BID, but I'm willing to at least give him and these new recruits another year.

he hasn't earned the right to anything from me, dork.

i mean listen...if you haven't been able to put the kstate/bw pieces together yet then that's fine, just don't ask me and other people to sit at the table and puzzle it out with you. fair enough?

[Panjandrum]

I'm not going to be critical of Kitchen's writing because I've always read it as a blog. Its not like he's writing for a paper or a fan site with an editor, its simply an independent blog where he puts out his opinion. I don't see it much different than my _FANframes, etc. I know that my writing generally has plenty of errors and can be picked apart as well, so maybe I'm less likely to be critical because of that.

You don't come out and write slam pieces against coaches, teams, or fanbases, either.

It was chippy, but if you have free reign to write whatever is on your mind, why not?  He's not a beat writer.  He is a blogger with credentials and access to interview coaches, players, and administration.  If you want to get something off of your chest, do it.

[Panjandrum]

and Pan, I don't want to offend you on this deal but his attitude about this issue just irritates the hell out of me.

We don't agree on everything, and I said as much.  On occasion, at least in football, we've had point/counterpoint phone calls.

My concerns that I've shared with him are consistent with some of the larger fears on this board.  How will he recruit?  Does he instill the right attitude with his players?  Does he put emphasis on the wrong things, etc.? 

However, I do mainly agree with him that the notion that Weber is destined to fail isn't something we can definitely predict, and at this point, after winning a conference title (even in a down year), he's earned the right to at least have a "wait-and-see" attitude next year after we lose Rodney, Tay, and JO.  If things go into the dumpster immediately, then yeah, #BID, but I'm willing to at least give him and these new recruits another year.

he hasn't earned the right to anything from me, dork.

i mean listen...if you haven't been able to put the kstate/bw pieces together yet then that's fine, just don't ask me and other people to sit at the table and puzzle it out with you. fair enough?

I don't think I've asked for that daris.

[michigancat]

I'm not going to be critical of Kitchen's writing because I've always read it as a blog. Its not like he's writing for a paper or a fan site with an editor, its simply an independent blog where he puts out his opinion. I don't see it much different than my _FANframes, etc. I know that my writing generally has plenty of errors and can be picked apart as well, so maybe I'm less likely to be critical because of that.

You don't come out and write slam pieces against coaches, teams, or fanbases, either.

It was chippy, but if you have free reign to write whatever is on your mind, why not?  He's not a beat writer.  He is a blogger with credentials and access to interview coaches, players, and administration.  If you want to get something off of your chest, do it.

because you might lose your access?

[Panjandrum]

I'm not going to be critical of Kitchen's writing because I've always read it as a blog. Its not like he's writing for a paper or a fan site with an editor, its simply an independent blog where he puts out his opinion. I don't see it much different than my _FANframes, etc. I know that my writing generally has plenty of errors and can be picked apart as well, so maybe I'm less likely to be critical because of that.

You don't come out and write slam pieces against coaches, teams, or fanbases, either.

It was chippy, but if you have free reign to write whatever is on your mind, why not?  He's not a beat writer.  He is a blogger with credentials and access to interview coaches, players, and administration.  If you want to get something off of your chest, do it.

because you might lose your access?

Always a possibility, but say what you want and let the chips fall where they may.  It's not like he's got a business to support based on access.

[michigancat]

also, the other downside is you can look really stupid