Let's talk about the Big 12

[OregonSmock]

Will the Big 12 ever expand back to 12 teams, and will there ever be another legit basketball program in this conference besides KU? 

['taterblast]

there's a thread for this

[420seriouscat69]

  Thanks LukeSmock!

[sonofdaxjones]

Will the Big 12 ever expand back to 12 teams, and will there ever be another legit basketball program in this conference besides KU?

Welp, time to add "a phog net talking point" back to Smock's name.

[OregonSmock]

Guess I underestimated how butthurt this place was.  Yikes.

[ben ji]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

[sonofdaxjones]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

[OregonSmock]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

[OregonSmock]

If I were the Big 12 commissioner, I would have added Memphis and Louisville two years ago. 

[kslim]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

dont ever change ben

[catzacker]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

I think you’re actually partially correct, imo.  Football will begin to reach a ceiling shortly, with “gains” being modest in the future (relatively speaking).  Basketball however, from a regular season standpoint, still isn’t maximizing its potential.  With some vision by a conference, it could. 

[waks]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

Man, this is just great trolling.

[ChiComCat]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

I think you’re actually partially correct, imo.  Football will begin to reach a ceiling shortly, with “gains” being modest in the future (relatively speaking).  Basketball however, from a regular season standpoint, still isn’t maximizing its potential.  With some vision by a conference, it could. 

The Big East failed with this vision, no?

[sonofdaxjones]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

I think you’re actually partially correct, imo.  Football will begin to reach a ceiling shortly, with “gains” being modest in the future (relatively speaking).  Basketball however, from a regular season standpoint, still isn’t maximizing its potential.  With some vision by a conference, it could.

Can the Big 12 improve in basketball, sure.   But the $$'s will likely never touch football.    The monetary differences between the top revenue producing football schools and the top revenue basketball schools (by sport) are staggering.   For example, yesterday, I looked at some revenue numbers in the DOE EIA database, and Florida Football (for example) by itself surpassed the total revenue of K-State (and ku) athletics in FY 2012.

Football stadiums obviously have more seats, and vastly higher revenue potential with extra contributions required for seats, suites, stadium clubs etc. etc.   The huge television contracts are heavily weighted towards revenue generation from Football.   The college football playoffs will be huge with the payouts coming much quicker than the NCAA tourney pay out formula and distribution.   



   

[kslim]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

I think you’re actually partially correct, imo.  Football will begin to reach a ceiling shortly, with “gains” being modest in the future (relatively speaking).  Basketball however, from a regular season standpoint, still isn’t maximizing its potential.  With some vision by a conference, it could. 

The Big East failed with this vision, no?

we should do this with soccer, that crap is global

[Sandstone Outcropping]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

I think you’re actually partially correct, imo.  Football will begin to reach a ceiling shortly, with “gains” being modest in the future (relatively speaking).  Basketball however, from a regular season standpoint, still isn’t maximizing its potential.  With some vision by a conference, it could. 

The Big East failed with this vision, no?

we should do this with soccer, that crap is global

Football is going to be banned within 10 years. I don't know what else we would do w/ BSFS other than start a soccer program. Maybe put a roof on in and replace the 'gon...

[Stupid Fitz]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

This is very true in March. 

[HerrSonntag]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

I think you’re actually partially correct, imo.  Football will begin to reach a ceiling shortly, with “gains” being modest in the future (relatively speaking).  Basketball however, from a regular season standpoint, still isn’t maximizing its potential.  With some vision by a conference, it could. 

The Big East failed with this vision, no?

we should do this with soccer, that crap is global

Do you think it's too late in life for LHCBS to learn about being a Soccer coach?  We could just always call it Futball, and tell him all these new rules are just that "damn NCAA!"

[sonofdaxjones]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

I think you’re actually partially correct, imo.  Football will begin to reach a ceiling shortly, with “gains” being modest in the future (relatively speaking).  Basketball however, from a regular season standpoint, still isn’t maximizing its potential.  With some vision by a conference, it could. 

The Big East failed with this vision, no?

we should do this with soccer, that crap is global

Do you think it's too late in life for LHCBS to learn about being a Soccer coach?  We could just always call it Futball, and tell him all these new rules are just that "damn NCAA!"

Is the floor of BSFS big enough for a soccer field?

[kslim]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

I think you’re actually partially correct, imo.  Football will begin to reach a ceiling shortly, with “gains” being modest in the future (relatively speaking).  Basketball however, from a regular season standpoint, still isn’t maximizing its potential.  With some vision by a conference, it could. 

The Big East failed with this vision, no?

we should do this with soccer, that crap is global

Do you think it's too late in life for LHCBS to learn about being a Soccer coach?  We could just always call it Futball, and tell him all these new rules are just that "damn NCAA!"

Is the floor of BSFS big enough for a soccer field?

depends on the size of the moat. soccer fans are crazy man, have to have something to protect the players

[HerrSonntag]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

I think you’re actually partially correct, imo.  Football will begin to reach a ceiling shortly, with “gains” being modest in the future (relatively speaking).  Basketball however, from a regular season standpoint, still isn’t maximizing its potential.  With some vision by a conference, it could. 

The Big East failed with this vision, no?

we should do this with soccer, that crap is global

Do you think it's too late in life for LHCBS to learn about being a Soccer coach?  We could just always call it Futball, and tell him all these new rules are just that "damn NCAA!"

Is the floor of BSFS big enough for a soccer field?

Not if they add in the limestone ribbon!!!! Someone send word quick!

[OregonSmock]

By the time KU finally upgrades Memorial Stadium, football will likely be dead as we know it.  Might as well just add Creighton and Wichita State to this bitch and call it good.


 

[bubbles4ksu]

By the time KU finally upgrades Memorial Stadium, football will likely be dead as we know it.  Might as well just add Creighton and Wichita State to this bitch and call it good.


 

to hope football dies is treason.

[SPEmaw]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

Why don't we go ahead and seek out elite soccer schools while we're at it?

[kslim]

When we add 2 more schools I could care less about their basketball prowess

That's what I'm concerned about.  The Big 12 needs a program like Louisville or Memphis to challenge KU.  Football is a dying sport and has already maxed out its profitability.  Basketball is a much more popular sport internationally and is just going to get bigger.

Why don't we go ahead and seek out elite soccer schools while we're at it?

thanks SPEluke