From another thread: Jake 09 vs Angel 13 (yes prob done to death)

[CHONGS]

The above is Angel's stats relative to Jake's sophomore numbers(% difference).  Just figured a bar chart would make the comparison easier.

[ednksu]

what was your reasoning for leaving off points and/or shots taken?

[Powercat Posse]

Don't need a any chart to tell me that Jake as soph wasn't even a top 20 conf player. Angel was top 7, and was top 3 the final 2/3 part of conf play.

[MakeItRain]

The FTr is surprising, I guess Jake was sharing the backcourt with Denis giving him less opportunities. Jake's FTr had to balloon his junior year.

[MakeItRain]

Don't need a any chart to tell me that Jake as soph wasn't even a top 20 conf player.

Um, WTF?

[Panjandrum]

Thanks, Chingon.  That's very helpful.

[MakeItRain]

Don't need a any chart to tell me that Jake as soph wasn't even a top 20 conf player.

Did you just pick the wrong words or something? What were you attempting to do here? Are you skietz?

As A Sophomore (2008-09): Started all 34 games as a sophomore... One of just two players (Luis Colon) to start all 34 games in 2008-09... Played 30 or more minutes in a team-best 21 games, including a career-best 39 against Texas (1/31)... Selected honorable mention All-Big 12 by the league coaches... Also named to the All-Underrated squad by a panel of sportswriters who cover the Big 12... Averaged 13.9 points on 38 percent shooting (153-of-403), including 33.5 percent (75-of-224) from 3-point range, with 3.2 assists, 2.7 rebounds and 1.6 steals in a team-best 30.2 minutes per game... Connected on 72.8 percent (91-of-125) from the free throw line... Scored in all 34 games, including 22 double-digit efforts... Posted a team-high eight 20-point games, including 32 points against Illinois State (3/18) in the NIT First Round... Led the team in scoring on 12 occasions, including seven times in Big 12 play... Paced the team in a number of categories, including games played, minutes, 20-point games, 3-point field goals, 3-point field goals attempted and steals... Ranked second in seven other categories, including scoring average, field goals, field goals attempted, free throws, free throws attempted and assists... Had at least one 3-pointer in 29 games, including two or more on 23 occasions... Dished out five or more assists 10 times, including a career-high 11 against Gardner-Webb (12/14)... The 11 assists tie for the seventh-most in school history and most assists since 2003... Totaled 54 steals on the year, which ranks seventh on the single-season list... Had at least one steal in 27 games, including a season-high five against Kentucky (11/28) and Colorado (3/7)... Ranked among the top-20 in four Big 12 categories, including fifth in steals, ninth in 3-point field goals, 12th in assists and 18th in scoring... Started all 16 Big 12 games, averaging a 32.8 minutes per game... Averaged 12.6 points on 35.7 percent shooting (66-of-185), including 28.3 percent (30-of-106) from 3-point range, in conference play with 2.8 assists, 2.5 rebounds and 1.6 steals per game... Connected on 79.6 percent (39-of-49) from the free throw line in league play... Tied for 14th in 3-point field goals per game (1.9) in conference-only games... Set career highs for field goals (10) and field goals attempted (23) against Illinois State (3/17) in posting his first career 30-point game... Led the team with 21 points against Texas (3/12) in the Phillips 66 Big 12 Championship to go with four steals... Scored 18 points in a pivotal win over Nebraska (2/28), including a 9-of-9 effort from the free throw line... Turned in 22 points against No. 16 Kansas (2/14)... Came on strong in a road win at Texas A&M (2/7) with 16 points... Turned in 23 points against Missouri (1/28)... Helped the 'Cats grab their first Big 12 win with 17 points against Colorado (1/24) in overtime... Poured in 24 points against Wagner (12/30)... Collected his first career double-double with 14 points and a career-high 11 assists against Gardner-Webb (12/14)... Grabbed a career-high eight rebounds against Oregon (12/7)... Tallied three consecutive 20-point games against Oakland (11/25), Kentucky (11/28) and Iowa (11/29)... Connected on six 3-point field goals against Oakland for 26 points... Coached by Frank Martin.

[Powercat Posse]

I don't think Jake was that good as a soph.   43.7 eFG and 28% 3pt, 2.8 ast. in Big 12 games according to what that bio said.   He also ave 2.9 TOs per game in league play and really hadnt become that very good defender we saw as a junior.    So IMO, i feel that he was not 1 of the best 20 players in the Big 12 that year, and i think Angel as a soph was a lot better than Jake as a soph

[sys]

He really hadnt become that very good defender we saw as a junior.

by the end of his soph. year, he had become an outstanding on-ball defender.