Big 12 Player of the Year/Other Awards/oscar is a BOSS!

[Lucas Scoopsalot]

Why did this thread turn into COY?

[PowercatPat]

It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to

This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Angel will be our first player to make All Big 12 3 years!

soph pullen was robbed.  authority-justifiying people justify it with kstate's poor record, but those same people will vote for jackson over art, so eff them.

Senior Cartier was robbed of 1st team. 

[Stevesie60]

Has a K-State player ever made 1st or 2nd team All Big 12?

Either Stevesie or I have no clue whats going on here. I think 8man is in the clear though.

I meant to say "sophomore" instead of "player".

[420seriouscat69]

Down to 'Gruds & B Mack, right? KU will get it if we tie, but man, what a ride.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why did this thread turn into COY?

Well, POTY should obviously go to the best player, Angel Rodriguez. COTY is much more debatable.

[GCJayhawker]

It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to

This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.

So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?

[PowercatPat]

It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to

This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.

So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?

Not winning COTY isn't a punishment.

[GCJayhawker]

It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to

This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.

So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?

Not winning COTY isn't a punishment.

Don't be a smart ass.  I was talking punishment in the COTY race. If his team is picked to win the league apparently he can't win COTY if KU does win the league. Makes no sense.

[kso_FAN]

It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to

This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.

So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?

Not really punished, but with KU winning the league so often, Self winning COY is about style points now. Yes, he deserves a ton of credit for turning things around and getting them back into another (likely) league title, but he was still the coach when they lost 3 in a row, including one of the biggest upsets in the last 30 years (at least). IMO, the fact that pretty much everyone thought KU would run away with the league by 3-4 games when Big 12 play started and they didn't is enough for another coach to earn it when their team exceeded expectations. If KU was up 2 or more games right now, I'd vote for Self.

[mocat]

It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to

This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.

So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?

It's like voting for Daniel Day Lewis for best actor every time he is in a movie. It's like, yeah, he's the best, but.... gah it's just so boring giving it to the same guy every year.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think it's important to realize that most of the press who sets preseason expectations are idiots, and if we are really going to determine who had the best coaching performance throughout Big 12 play, we should disregard that completely.

The candidates

Bill Self
Coach Self brought KU into conference play with a disappointing loss to MSU as the only real blemish on the resume, but it was clear to anybody watching the Hawks play that they had some serious holes. It took a miracle last second 3 to send a game into overtime at home against "Mayor of Ames, Town Fool of Everywhere Else" Hoyberg. Then, the Hawks lost 3 straight games to OSU, TCU, and OU. It looked like they were headed for a similar downward spiral to the one Texas suffered after losing at KSU when they were ranked #1 a few years ago. Most coaches would have lost that team and would be staring at a 9 seed and likely first round exit right now. Getting KU where they are, despite getting much more help at the top of the rankings than a team would get in a typical college basketball season, is pretty remarkable.

oscar Weber
Coach Weber was a very polarizing figure coming into the 2012-13 season for the Kansas State Wildcats. Until he pulled out a convincing victory against Florida at the Sprint Center, it looked like Weber was not going to win a single quality OOC game, and lose every game against a quality opponent in blowout fashion. Despite that victory, even the most optimistic wildcat _fans were very skeptical that Weber would be able to outdo Frank in what was clearly a very down year for the Big 12. Weber has gone on to win the games he should be winning, only losing games to teams that are either better than his team or games in difficult environments like Hilton Coliseum. Weber doesn't really have a big win in conference play, though, with the game in Stillwater being his final chance to get one. Weber has done a fantastic job getting his team to buy into his system in just his first year as head coach, and has set himself up nicely for COTY contention.


It's a close race, but I would give it to Self by a hair at this point. Obviously the results of the games on Saturday could change that.

[Rage Against the McKee]

It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to

This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.

So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?

It's like voting for Daniel Day Lewis for best actor every time he is in a movie. It's like, yeah, he's the best, but.... gah it's just so boring giving it to the same guy every year.

You shouldn't give an award to somebody who doesn't earn it, though. If one of those other actors wants the award, they should just go out there and do a better job than DDL. This isn't intramurals where everybody gets a trophy.

[8manpick]

Has a K-State player ever made 1st or 2nd team All Big 12?

Either Stevesie or I have no clue whats going on here. I think 8man is in the clear though.

I meant to say "sophomore" instead of "player".

I thought it was a fattyfest trivia reference

[pissclams]

coach of the year?  who gives a eff, they're all a bunch of assclowns. 

[kso_FAN]

@udk_bball: Self says oscar Weber deserves Coach of the Year. #kubball

/thread

[Stevesie60]

Well _FAN, it would be "/thread" if this thread was titled "Big 12 Player of the Year". But it certainly is not.

Anyways, back to awards, who is 6th man of the year? McGee? Gathers? Did Gipson start enough to not be considered a 6th man? Is Te in the discussion?

[Powercat Posse]

Well _FAN, it would be "/thread" if this thread was titled "Big 12 Player of the Year". But it certainly is not.

Anyways, back to awards, who is 6th man of the year? McGee? Gathers? Did Gipson start enough to not be considered a 6th man? Is Te in the discussion?

McGee best 6th man in Big 12 for sure.  I would say he is one of the top 3 6th men in the nation.  Syracuse's Sutherland and Marquette's Gardner also are very good 6th men

[WillieWatanabe]

Well _FAN, it would be "/thread" if this thread was titled "Big 12 Player of the Year". But it certainly is not.

Anyways, back to awards, who is 6th man of the year? McGee? Gathers? Did Gipson start enough to not be considered a 6th man? Is Te in the discussion?

Jakesie60 typos are the best.

[kso_FAN]

Well _FAN, it would be "/thread" if this thread was titled "Big 12 Player of the Year". But it certainly is not.

Anyways, back to awards, who is 6th man of the year? McGee? Gathers? Did Gipson start enough to not be considered a 6th man? Is Te in the discussion?

Jakesie60 typos are the best.

[mocat]

he's been on a brain fart rampage this week. i think it's the stress of FPD looming over him.

[pissclams]

i can't tell if he's rough ridin' with us, or if the bbs is rough ridin' with him.  either way, entropy thrives in this thread.

[Stevesie60]

Well _FAN, it would be "/thread" if this thread was titled "Big 12 Player of the Year". But it certainly is not.

Anyways, back to awards, who is 6th man of the year? McGee? Gathers? Did Gipson start enough to not be considered a 6th man? Is Te in the discussion?

Oh good grief.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

  <-- laughing with you, of course, friend!

[SPEmaw]

It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to

This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.

So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?

It's like voting for Daniel Day Lewis for best actor every time he is in a movie. It's like, yeah, he's the best, but.... gah it's just so boring giving it to the same guy every year.

I don't see that comparison. Now, if DDL's acting coach kept winning awards for acting COTY, it would be stupid because his pupil should obviously be a great actor. Self lost to the shittiest team in the nation. It's like he turned his DDL into Keanu Reeves for a week.