Can the Cyclones beat the Jayhawks? I say no rough ridin' chance (Now a POLL!)

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Does it ever get old as a fan knowing that KU is going to pull out every close game? Why even watch at this point

[Rage Against the McKee]

I know you have all been waiting so patiently for my thoughts on this whole subject, so I will provide them for you.

The calls at the end of the game were ridiculous. I am 90% sure that was a charge on EJ and 75% sure there was no reach on Niang. I am also 100% that Withey fouled our, or should have, when they gave the foul to KY. Babb's 5th foul was also a joke.

Let's not pretend the whole game was not horribly officiated for both teams though, as has been the case for most NCAA games this year. At times it seemed like the refs called a foul because they felt there had not been a foul called for a while.

Looking at the game ISU had 3 less fouls than KU and some how managed to shoot 7 more FTs despite the fact they were jacking up threes all game.  Of course the blown calls at the end of the game are magnified, like all end game calls are in close games, but let's not act like the bad officiating throughout the game went only towards KU. That is simply not true.

Don't forget that down the stretch ISU had plenty of chances to put this game away and failed to do so, while KU made plays to even put themselves in a position to have a last second officiating gaffe matter. If a team sets a school record for 3s in a game you would expect it to be a blow out, but that was not the case in this game. ISU played horrid defense and allowed KU to hang around, if not for a historic shooting performance by ISU this game would not have been close at the end of the game to begin with.

Overall it was a crazy game to watch, I felt like I was on a roller coaster ride and was confident KU would lose when the game got to the 4 minute mark in the second half.

I think the free throw count was somewhat skewed because ISU was given 4 free throws for a technical on Bill and an intentional foul on a breakaway. Assuming Bill said something pretty bad to get the T, I wouldn't say that's poor officiating.

['taterblast]

Don't forget that down the stretch ISU had plenty of chances to put this game away and failed to do so, while KU made plays to even put themselves in a position to have a last second officiating gaffe matter. If a team sets a school record for 3s in a game you would expect it to be a blow out, but that was not the case in this game. ISU played horrid defense and allowed KU to hang around, if not for a historic shooting performance by ISU this game would not have been close at the end of the game to begin with.

people keep saying this like it rough ridin' matters. it doesn't. refs gave ku the game.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Don't forget that down the stretch ISU had plenty of chances to put this game away and failed to do so, while KU made plays to even put themselves in a position to have a last second officiating gaffe matter. If a team sets a school record for 3s in a game you would expect it to be a blow out, but that was not the case in this game. ISU played horrid defense and allowed KU to hang around, if not for a historic shooting performance by ISU this game would not have been close at the end of the game to begin with.

people keep saying this like it rough ridin' matters. it doesn't. refs gave ku the game.

Yeah, KU had plenty of chances down the stretch to put ISU away without the refs stepping in. They failed to do that.

[SEK_EMAW]

Don't forget that down the stretch ISU had plenty of chances to put this game away and failed to do so, while KU made plays to even put themselves in a position to have a last second officiating gaffe matter. If a team sets a school record for 3s in a game you would expect it to be a blow out, but that was not the case in this game. ISU played horrid defense and allowed KU to hang around, if not for a historic shooting performance by ISU this game would not have been close at the end of the game to begin with.

people keep saying this like it rough ridin' matters. it doesn't. refs gave ku the game.

No kidding.  It kind of goes along with the whole "well, there were plenty of bad calls throughout the game" talking point.  That is such a load of crap.  You can recover from a bad call earlier in the game.  It's tough to recover from a horrendous call with 4 secs left.

[jc_jax]

When you have won 8 straight champs or whatever ku has, there is bound to be some lucky calls that go your way.  And that's ok.  Just like in football, the nat'l champ teams normally get "lucky" a couple times during the season. 

It's nice to see some rcjh fans acknowledge that.

[Rage Against the McKee]

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[GCJayhawker]

Don't forget that down the stretch ISU had plenty of chances to put this game away and failed to do so, while KU made plays to even put themselves in a position to have a last second officiating gaffe matter. If a team sets a school record for 3s in a game you would expect it to be a blow out, but that was not the case in this game. ISU played horrid defense and allowed KU to hang around, if not for a historic shooting performance by ISU this game would not have been close at the end of the game to begin with.

people keep saying this like it rough ridin' matters. it doesn't. refs gave ku the game.

No kidding.  It kind of goes along with the whole "well, there were plenty of bad calls throughout the game" talking point.  That is such a load of crap.  You can recover from a bad call earlier in the game.  It's tough to recover from a horrendous call with 4 secs left.

Certainly calls at the end of the game provide less chance to recover, but bad calls early and throughout the game can impact just as much.  Those bad calls early in the game can help lead to a situation where a call is made or blown at the end of the game.  You can't look at the last 4 seconds and the call in a vacuum.  Everything inter plays together.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Don't forget that down the stretch ISU had plenty of chances to put this game away and failed to do so, while KU made plays to even put themselves in a position to have a last second officiating gaffe matter. If a team sets a school record for 3s in a game you would expect it to be a blow out, but that was not the case in this game. ISU played horrid defense and allowed KU to hang around, if not for a historic shooting performance by ISU this game would not have been close at the end of the game to begin with.

people keep saying this like it rough ridin' matters. it doesn't. refs gave ku the game.

No kidding.  It kind of goes along with the whole "well, there were plenty of bad calls throughout the game" talking point.  That is such a load of crap.  You can recover from a bad call earlier in the game.  It's tough to recover from a horrendous call with 4 secs left.

Certainly calls at the end of the game provide less chance to recover, but bad calls early and throughout the game can impact just as much.  Those bad calls early in the game can help lead to a situation where a call is made or blown at the end of the game.  You can't look at the last 4 seconds and the call in a vacuum.  Everything inter plays together.

What's amazing about the last 10 seconds of the game was that the refs managed to eff over ISU (and K-State) not once, but twice.

['taterblast]

You can't look at the last 4 seconds and the call in a vacuum.

yes, you can. especially in this case.

[AppleJack]

Kirk Seminoff ?@kseminoff
Big 12 to punish two of the three officials in KU-ISU game for late-in-regulation errors. Plural. #kubball #big12

[_33]

Don't forget that down the stretch ISU had plenty of chances to put this game away and failed to do so, while KU made plays to even put themselves in a position to have a last second officiating gaffe matter. If a team sets a school record for 3s in a game you would expect it to be a blow out, but that was not the case in this game. ISU played horrid defense and allowed KU to hang around, if not for a historic shooting performance by ISU this game would not have been close at the end of the game to begin with.

people keep saying this like it rough ridin' matters. it doesn't. refs gave ku the game.

No kidding.  It kind of goes along with the whole "well, there were plenty of bad calls throughout the game" talking point.  That is such a load of crap.  You can recover from a bad call earlier in the game.  It's tough to recover from a horrendous call with 4 secs left.

Certainly calls at the end of the game provide less chance to recover, but bad calls early and throughout the game can impact just as much.  Those bad calls early in the game can help lead to a situation where a call is made or blown at the end of the game.  You can't look at the last 4 seconds and the call in a vacuum.  Everything inter plays together.

You shouldn't take this stance. It makes you seem really dumb.

[SEK_EMAW]

Big 12 Conference Statement Regarding Kansas - Iowa State Men’s Basketball Game

The Big 12 Conference has released a statement regarding the officiating during the Kansas at Iowa State men’s basketball game on Monday, February 25. This will be the only public statement by the Conference on the matter.

The Big 12 Conference acknowledges that officiating errors were made at the end of regulation during last night’s Kansas at Iowa State men’s basketball game. The plays have been reviewed and appropriate measures will be taken by the Coordinator of Men’s Basketball Officials to adjust the number of future assignments for the two officials involved in conjunction with Conference policies.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

How about they should be rough ridin' fired or demoted to the SWAC

[Rage Against the McKee]

Most likely, they will not be refereeing Big 12 games next week and we will end up with the same shitty crew for our game against OSU.

["storm"nut]

Big 12 Conference Statement Regarding Kansas - Iowa State Men’s Basketball Game

The Big 12 Conference has released a statement regarding the officiating during the Kansas at Iowa State men’s basketball game on Monday, February 25. This will be the only public statement by the Conference on the matter.

The Big 12 Conference acknowledges that officiating errors were made at the end of regulation during last night’s Kansas at Iowa State men’s basketball game. The plays have been reviewed and appropriate measures will be taken by the Coordinator of Men’s Basketball Officials to adjust the number of future assignments for the two officials involved in conjunction with Conference policies.

Sounds like these two officials can expect to officiate more games then.

[sonofdaxjones]

I used to get all worked up about the officiating particularly as it pertains to ku, but now I just laugh and expect it.   Plus, I know certain teams do get the calls at the strategic times, that's why foul counts are not AS important as timing IMO. 

The only thing that bothered me about last night was; either swallow your whistle completely if you're going to let a clear charge/block scenario go, or call everything right down to the buzzer.   But don't let huge contact go, and then turn around and ticky-tack it (and ticky tack is being very polite, it was a joke) a couple of seconds later.   That's what I can't stand.

 

[GCJayhawker]

I used to get all worked up about the officiating particularly as it pertains to ku, but now I just laugh and expect it.   Plus, I know certain teams do get the calls at the strategic times, that's why foul counts are not AS important as timing IMO. 

The only thing that bothered me about last night was; either swallow your whistle completely if you're going to let a clear charge/block scenario go, or call everything right down to the buzzer.   But don't let huge contact go, and then turn around and ticky-tack it (and ticky tack is being very polite, it was a joke) a couple of seconds later.   That's what I can't stand.

Dax hits it perfectly.  This confused the crap out of me. Not that I'm complaining, but it made no sense.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I used to get all worked up about the officiating particularly as it pertains to ku, but now I just laugh and expect it.   Plus, I know certain teams do get the calls at the strategic times, that's why foul counts are not AS important as timing IMO. 

The only thing that bothered me about last night was; either swallow your whistle completely if you're going to let a clear charge/block scenario go, or call everything right down to the buzzer.   But don't let huge contact go, and then turn around and ticky-tack it (and ticky tack is being very polite, it was a joke) a couple of seconds later.   That's what I can't stand.

I would just laugh and expect it as well if we didn't have a Big 12 Championship handed to us and then yanked away by the referees. I can understand the refs not wanting Iowa to have nice things, but they need to consider the collateral damage of their actions. 

['taterblast]

we were about to have a 1 game lead with 3 to go. it's sickening.

[sonofdaxjones]

I used to get all worked up about the officiating particularly as it pertains to ku, but now I just laugh and expect it.   Plus, I know certain teams do get the calls at the strategic times, that's why foul counts are not AS important as timing IMO. 

The only thing that bothered me about last night was; either swallow your whistle completely if you're going to let a clear charge/block scenario go, or call everything right down to the buzzer.   But don't let huge contact go, and then turn around and ticky-tack it (and ticky tack is being very polite, it was a joke) a couple of seconds later.   That's what I can't stand.

I would just laugh and expect it as well if we didn't have a Big 12 Championship handed to us and then yanked away by the referees. I can understand the refs not wanting Iowa to have nice things, but they need to consider the collateral damage of their actions. 

Well, we should have beaten the clowns in Ames, and we should have beat ku in Manhattan.   But we went inverted both times and thus we did not buffer ourselves from the inevitable #refstakethewheel scenario. 

[cork_sniffer]

i just rewatched the last 10 minutes or so.  if anything I found a few more errors and missed calls that went ISU's way especially if you include no-calls on moving screens for ISU while KU got called for 2 earlier in the game that were far less obvious (inconsistent).  that no call on the charge was bad but there were two other missed calls that led to ISU 3's after the 3 minute mark that got ISU back into the game in the first place and one very questionable traveling violation.  Plus, those bad calls might have actually saved ISU.  Tharpe would have had a wide open 3 to win the game if they didn't call that foul on niang after the missed charge and kevin young was playing far better than withey at that point so it's hard to say who got the better deal there. 

those refs should be reprimanded for poor performance but it was overall at neither teams benefit more than the other. 

['taterblast]

if anything I found a few more errors and missed calls that went ISU's way

of course you did

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

i just rewatched the last 10 minutes or so.  if anything I found a few more errors and missed calls that went ISU's way especially if you include no-calls on moving screens for ISU while KU got called for 2 earlier in the game that were far less obvious (inconsistent).  that no call on the charge was bad but there were two other missed calls that led to ISU 3's after the 3 minute mark that got ISU back into the game in the first place and one very questionable traveling violation.  Plus, those bad calls might have actually saved ISU.  Tharpe would have had a wide open 3 to win the game if they didn't call that foul on niang after the missed charge and kevin young was playing far better than withey at that point so it's hard to say who got the better deal there. 

those refs should be reprimanded for poor performance but it was overall at neither teams benefit more than the other.

lol

['taterblast]

Plus, those bad calls might have actually saved ISU.