Recap of oscar (Stud) on Rome (Idiot)

[sys]

remember Shane's 3PT shooting? Well I'll tell you, he made 4 threes in 23 attempts his first 2 seasons.

is this big 12 only?  because it's not correct, if not.

[420seriouscat69]

he does the two strategic things (the only two, i think) that provide an advantage in college bball.  shoot as many 3s as possible and play small.

Nice intelligent post by sys. About time. 

[kso_FAN]

remember Shane's 3PT shooting? Well I'll tell you, he made 4 threes in 23 attempts his first 2 seasons.

is this big 12 only?  because it's not correct, if not.

Yes, Big 12 only.

And shooting 3s is one thing, making them at a high rate is another.

[sys]

shooting 3s is one thing, making them at a high rate is another.

shooting them is more important.

[MakeItRain]

shooting 3s is one thing, making them at a high rate is another.

shooting them is more important.

 

[sys]

fascinating counterthesis, mir.

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_3-point_line_is_a_lottery

[MakeItRain]

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_3-point_line_is_a_lottery

Yeah, pretty much

[wabash909]

Thanks to the original poster steve_dave85 for his great Weber interview recap.

Now here's the audio!

http://jimrome.com/2013/02/21/oscar-weber/

[kso_FAN]

fascinating counterthesis, mir.

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_3-point_line_is_a_lottery

IMO its a stretch to apply that breakdown to offense. Its much more importantly defensively to have a low 3PTA% than it is offensively, especially if you can't shoot. And the offense has more control of generating better shots and therefore a higher percentage. I don't believe that offensive 3PT% is completely random.

ken came out with another new blog that goes a little further into 3PT%, 2PT% and defensive and basically came to the same conclusions:

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/one_last_post_on_3p_defense

Anyway, to hopefully conclude this series, here are my opinions in bullet points.

- The offense is largely in control of the quality of 3-point shots it takes.
- These decisions are affected by the quality of the opposing 2P% defense
- 3P% is also influenced by effective challenging of shots.
- All of that can add up to about a 3% swing from average.
- So 3P% defense is not totally random
- But a defense has considerably more direct impact on 2P% than 3P%.

[kso_FAN]

More oscar: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/02/22/kansas-state-oscar-weber/1937575/

[nicname]

EMAWs threes are almost always wide open, and almost never bailout shots.  We make a lot.

[ednksu]

More oscar: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/02/22/kansas-state-oscar-weber/1937575/

catches up with a premier college basketball coach

[Benja]

great summary matt85.

Shutup. This recap (awesome) was way better than the one on gpc. (Sucked).

[kougar24]

Guys, this thread is dangerously close to veering into Fool's Gold territory.

[Panjandrum]

Guys, this thread is dangerously close to veering into Fool's Gold territory.

I'm buying up that fool's gold, kougs.

All aboard the Weber Expresss.

[mocat]

HOW CAN YOU BURN SOMETHING DOWN IF IT'S MEANT TO BE ON FIRE?

#team

[kso_FAN]

Guys, this thread is dangerously close to veering into Fool's Gold territory.

I'm buying up that fool's gold, kougs.

All aboard the Weber Expresss.

It could be argued Wooly's stupid fools gold stance contributed greatly to him getting fired. He had solid 3PT shooting teams his last 3 years (36% or better in league play), but continued with his dumb idea that shooting fewer 3 pointers (<25% 3PTA% twice) was good strategy. His best season in 05, 30.7% of our FGs were 3s, and that was still 10th in the league.

[sonofdaxjones]

I've gotten the impression that oscar has worked with some guys a lot on their shooting technique.   Sexy Shane just looks so confident right now.

[michigancat]

The 3PA% discussion is interesting. I can see where the difference in actual shooting percentage can be a lottery. But like some have alluded to, an offense can create more three point attempts (based on the quality of look) far more easily than it can improve three point shooting percentage. people just generally don't take a high volume of guarded threes.

[sys]

It could be argued Wooly's stupid fools gold stance contributed greatly to him getting fired.

i would argue that all day long.

[ksupamplemousse]

It could be argued Wooly's stupid fools gold stance contributed greatly to him getting fired.

i would argue that all day long.

Sys, is your position that we should shoot all threes? Or just more threes?

[sys]

Sys, is your position that we should shoot all threes? Or just more threes?

a team should shoot as many threes as they can get good looks.  the strategical imperative doesn't alleviate the need to take good shots.  but it's not that hard to get an open 3.  way easier than it is to get a big the ball 1 on 1 6 feet from the basket and offenses work like motherfuckers for those shots.

[kougar24]

Sys, is your position that we should shoot all threes? Or just more threes?

a team should shoot as many threes as they can get good looks.  the strategical imperative doesn't alleviate the need to take good shots.  but it's not that hard to get an open 3.  way easier than it is to get a big the ball 1 on 1 6 feet from the basket and offenses work like motherfuckers for those shots.

Agreed

[michigancat]

Sys, is your position that we should shoot all threes? Or just more threes?

a team should shoot as many threes as they can get good looks.  the strategical imperative doesn't alleviate the need to take good shots.  but it's not that hard to get an open 3.  way easier than it is to get a big the ball 1 on 1 6 feet from the basket and offenses work like motherfuckers for those shots.

And I'm guessing the big won't score as much per possession. There aren't many college players that can score at will from the block. (This is also why oscar's small ball strategy is a good one).

[sys]

ken came out with another new blog that goes a little further into 3PT%, 2PT% and defensive and basically came to the same conclusions:

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/one_last_post_on_3p_defense

finally got around to reading it.  that's really good, and illustrates again how threes are an underexploited strategic advantage.