Iowa State Game

[bones129]

Tunnel dance.

Difference maker.   

[Belvis Noland]

 

Looking at the first game the plan is simple; take care of the ball and rebound. In Ames, ISU outscored us 13-4 off turnovers and 14-0 on second chance points in the 2nd half. So in spite having our best shooting half of the season at 72% we couldn't take advantage because we didn't handle two aspects of the game we had quite a bit of control over. Also, ISU's 14 2nd chance points came on 7 oboards, and 13 points off TOs came off of 7 TOs, so they were nearly perfect at taking advantage of each area, which allowed them to overcome poor FT shooting.

They are going to shoot 3s, but hopefully we can keep their attempts down to 15-18 instead of 20 plus. I think offensively we'll score fine, it will be about TOs, RBs, and limiting good 3PT looks.

So, we need JO and Gip on the floor.  They are our two most efficient rebounders, thanks to your breakdown. 

But, it seems like oscar didn't value their defense against smaller, quicker forwards like ISU has.  Hence DJamer and Ninos increased minutes. 

Seems likes catch 22.  Need more rebounds but our best rebounders don't match up well defensively. 

My idea - eff matching up with ISU.  Play our game and make them match up with us.  Play JO and Gip.  Pound it inside. 

[MakeItRain]

So I just watched this game again and I'm pretty resolute on my thought that we should not run two bigs at the same time. JO had even a harder time with Niang than I remembered.

Mizzou didn't have a five nearly as skilled as Niang.

play jhr off him so he can't get his body into him and spin.  he's not going to drive around him and if isu wants to try and win the game with a freshman post shooting 3s over a seven footer, let them try.

Well oscar tried this and JO could not stay in front of Niang, he didn't have to shoot threes over JO because he drove past him every time. I bet that oscar will try to crowd Niang more because playing off of him was very very bad. Niang had nice moves in the post but he had a hard time finishing even against smaller guys, so Hoiberg pulled him to the top of the key and posted Clyburn and McGee.

-We were unbelievably bad with, surprise, transition defense. When they weren't dunking they were hitting threes on the secondary break. Niang hit his threes this way and by getting open looks from the hard hedge, I will be interested to see if we continue to hard hedge with the bigs.

-As previously mentioned we struggled preventing penetration. On that note people were quite angry that oscar didn't foul late. Seeing it again I wouldn't have fouled either, their previous possession they turned the ball over, it just didn't feel right fouling after we got two fast break points from creating a turnover, and there were 48 seconds left. Where oscar made the mistake is that he had a chance to put art in the game and he didn't. Not only is Angel our best on ball defender, but if we did get the ball late down 3 we would obviously want the ball in Angels hands in this situation. I also would have put JO back in to protect the rim. As successful as Niang was against JO driving the ball, I doubt that Hoiberg would have isolated him at the top of the key for the games last possession. Of course neither art or jo were in and Lucious easily drove by Tay.

-Clyburn played a lot of 4, and Nino played him quite a bit, even more than Shane and that didn't work out well for Nino at all. He couldn't stop Clyburn from scoring and couldn't keep him off of the boards.

-They were awful from the line and we didn't get there enough. I think we shoot and make more FTs on Saturday and they shoot less but make more.

So I think we should go with our normal 4 G/F and 1 big set. They couldn't guard us at all, so I don't think we need to adjust anything on that end other than more Angel, their guards defended him very poorly, he and Will looked like Chris Paul and Ray Allen in the same backcourt. Going big on the other end will leave us vulnerable on the other end with the penetration again. I think we just need to crowd them more and switch the guard to guard screens. When Niang screens we should just bump him, we can continue to hedge when McGee sets the high ball screen.

Here's the link if any of you want to watch.
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/745608/gameId/330260066/size/condensed/
I'm going to watch the ISU/TT game tomorrow

[MakeItRain]

So, we need JO and Gip on the floor.  They are our two most efficient rebounders, thanks to your breakdown. 

But, it seems like oscar didn't value their defense against smaller, quicker forwards like ISU has.  Hence DJamer and Ninos increased minutes. 

Seems likes catch 22.  Need more rebounds but our best rebounders don't match up well defensively. 

My idea - eff matching up with ISU.  Play our game and make them match up with us.  Play JO and Gip.  Pound it inside.

You mean together? You do know that would require one of them to guard Will Clyburn right? Nevermind one of them trying to guard him, imagine them trying to keep him off the boards when he is constantly crashing down from 15-18 feet out Your propsal is good for scoring, but that wasn't an issue last match up, it was stopping them from rebounding and keeping them from pulling all of us out and then penetrating. I'm dumbfounded that you can't see how playing these two guys together would make this significantly worse.

[sys]

Well oscar tried this and JO could not stay in front of Niang.

he shouldn't have to.  you have a six eight post trying a guarded drive from the 3 point line - every guard on the team should be licking their lips to pick him on help d.  or take a charge (not as fun).

[sys]

Of course neither art or jo were in.

i don't remember the sequence as clearly as you do, but any rationale that weber might have had to not have his two most disruptive defenders in the game is obviously flawed.

[MakeItRain]

The help defense by the guards was deplorable but I think part of it was scheme. It seems like the guards were instructed not to stand in the lane when they were two passes away. When Niang drove it was always from the top of the key, never a wing. They would have 5 out meaning that the players guarding ISU baseliners had help responsibility but they were never close. I think ISU has hurt other teams in the past by the driving bigs kicking it to the short corner when the help came from there. If Niang and Cllyburn ever drove from the wing it would be much easier to help, but they don't. I am pretty interested to see how TT neutralized this.

[Powercat Posse]

Yeah, no way we can play 2 bigs at the same time.   I would rather see Omari get more PT in this game if we get foul trouble.

Rod will start on Clyburn but Shane will also be counted on to guard him.   Nino guarding him is a bad matchup. Almost rather have Nino guard Babb and Rod/Shane stick on Clyburn.   
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They shot 50% eFG and still only had 26 first half pts.  (Going 3-10 from the line cost them getting 30 pts)
Problem is they got 6 more FGA and 5 more FTA than us in the 2nd half because of OR and TOs

[MakeItRain]

Of course neither art or jo were in.

i don't remember the sequence as clearly as you do, but any rationale that weber might have had to not have his two most disruptive defenders in the game is obviously flawed.

What makes it even worse is that on this sequence Angel got the steal and then gave the ball to Rod for the dunk. After the steal and dunk, oscar TOOK ANGEL OUT for the final defensive possession where Tay got cooked. The only rationale for taking Angel out when you need a steal, the possession immediately after he got you a steal is because you plan to foul. oscar completely blew this, it was as bad of a coaching mistake as you will see, even worse than letting a 37% free throw shooter catch an inbounds pass in a foul situation.

[MakeItRain]

Yeah, no way we can play 2 bigs at the same time.   I would rather see Omari get more PT in this game if we get foul trouble.

Rod will start on Clyburn but Shane will also be counted on to guard him.   Nino guarding him is a bad matchup. Almost rather have Nino guard Babb and Rod/Shane stick on Clyburn.   
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They shot 50% eFG and still only had 26 first half pts.  (Going 3-10 from the line cost them getting 30 pts)
Problem is they got 6 more FGA and 5 more FTA than us in the 2nd half because of OR and TOs

Will or Rod guarded Babb depending on who else was on the floor. I think another mistake oscar made is that when Ejim and Niang was on the floor on the same time, he had one of the bigs (Gip or JO) guard Niang, but he had a smaller, quicker player (Gip, Nino, or DJamer) guarding Ejim. I think this is a mistake. I'm sure the staff thinks Niang will take the smaller guys to the post but I don't think he's as effective with his back to the basket and I also think it helps our team defense if he is down there even if he would have a size advantage. Ejim is not nearly the face up threat that Niang is. I hope we make that adjustment.

I can't wait to watch this TT game.

[ksupamplemousse]

Mizzou didn't have a five nearly as skilled as Niang.

play jhr off him so he can't get his body into him and spin.  he's not going to drive around him and if isu wants to try and win the game with a freshman post shooting 3s over a seven footer, let them try.

Agreed. I mean, if the kid gets hot, obviously you go small and try and not get beat on the block. Niang only averages 2.1 attempts from deep every game though, so to try and take that particular aspect of the game away from him is beyond stupid.

[kso_FAN]

I think the discussion on Niang is good, but I don't believe he can beat us if we just play decent defense on him.

To me the key defensive match-ups in this game are Angel on Lucious (he had 8 assists last time) and whoever guards Clyburn. Clyburn made half of his 16 shots, had 5 oboards, got the FT line 9 times, and made a ton of key plays for ISU in the game. I thought we did fine on Ejim, though he did have 4 oboards. And again, ISU was just crazy efficient after oboards; 18 points on 11 of them and 14 on 7 in the 2nd half, and I highly doubt they repeat that number of oboards or that efficiency. While its very unlikely they shoot as poorly from the FT line, its also very unlikely they shoot better from 3. To me many of the errors we made are very correctable and its likely Angel plays 30 minutes instead of 18 which is key for our team.

Honestly, I'm confident that we'll be much better because as bad as we may be matching up with them defensively, I think ISU is just as bad (or worse) matching up with us. They had no answer in the 2nd half to our offense either, we were really efficient when we didn't turn it over. At home this is simply a game we shouldn't lose and I don't think we will.

Cats 68 - Clones 62

[Belvis Noland]

So, we need JO and Gip on the floor.  They are our two most efficient rebounders, thanks to your breakdown. 

But, it seems like oscar didn't value their defense against smaller, quicker forwards like ISU has.  Hence DJamer and Ninos increased minutes. 

Seems likes catch 22.  Need more rebounds but our best rebounders don't match up well defensively. 

My idea - eff matching up with ISU.  Play our game and make them match up with us.  Play JO and Gip.  Pound it inside.

You mean together? You do know that would require one of them to guard Will Clyburn right? Nevermind one of them trying to guard him, imagine them trying to keep him off the boards when he is constantly crashing down from 15-18 feet out Your propsal is good for scoring, but that wasn't an issue last match up, it was stopping them from rebounding and keeping them from pulling all of us out and then penetrating. I'm dumbfounded that you can't see how playing these two guys together would make this significantly worse.

No.  I don't mean together.  They played 9 a piece @ ISU.  Not surprisingly, our rebounding was horrid.  They should play 15-20 a piece, if not more, if they're being effective.

[kso_FAN]

No.  I don't mean together.  They played 9 a piece @ ISU.  Not surprisingly, our rebounding was horrid.  They should play 15-20 a piece, if not more, if they're being effective.

Yeah, they need to do a better job handling the 5 spot, those 2 should share at least 35 minutes a game. I didn't realize they only combined for 18 in Ames, and neither had more than 3 fouls. I really like how Gip is playing lately, and I think if we can get him posted he could give ISU a lot of trouble.

[MakeItRain]

So, we need JO and Gip on the floor.  They are our two most efficient rebounders, thanks to your breakdown. 

But, it seems like oscar didn't value their defense against smaller, quicker forwards like ISU has.  Hence DJamer and Ninos increased minutes. 

Seems likes catch 22.  Need more rebounds but our best rebounders don't match up well defensively. 

My idea - eff matching up with ISU.  Play our game and make them match up with us.  Play JO and Gip.  Pound it inside.

You mean together? You do know that would require one of them to guard Will Clyburn right? Nevermind one of them trying to guard him, imagine them trying to keep him off the boards when he is constantly crashing down from 15-18 feet out Your propsal is good for scoring, but that wasn't an issue last match up, it was stopping them from rebounding and keeping them from pulling all of us out and then penetrating. I'm dumbfounded that you can't see how playing these two guys together would make this significantly worse.

No.  I don't mean together.  They played 9 a piece @ ISU.  Not surprisingly, our rebounding was horrid.  They should play 15-20 a piece, if not more, if they're being effective.

DJamer got a lot of minutes and didn't do anything. So it seems like we all pretty much agree. The game starts with stopping penetration. Angel not picking up ridiculous fouls would help, he had a couple of worthy ones the first game, grabbing Lucious 40 feet away from the basket.

[OKclone]

Guard the three and we should be fine. They live and die by the three. Not really worried about his game too much.

Hah, well this is stupid. Check out our game against Baylor.

[kso_FAN]

Guard the three and we should be fine. They live and die by the three. Not really worried about his game too much.

Hah, well this is stupid. Check out our game against Baylor.

It will be interesting to see if ISU can get that type of FT rate in Manhattan. When a team gets 13 more FT attempts AND shoots 18% better its going to be tough to beat them on their home floor.

[bigwillie20]

72-60 good guys

[SabiNation]

I hope Niang gets called fat A LOT by our fans.  He's so fat

[Gooch]

I am more worried about my ability to duplicate the amazing job MIR did at singing the "Everyone's gettin Raped" song when Bubu Palo comes into the game.

[sys]

DJamer got a lot of minutes and didn't do anything.

 

[JKEYS]

Tunnel dance.

Difference maker.   

Worth 4 pts/game in and of itself!

[8manpick]

Remember this, guys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KS7IxxHI0M8#t=12s

['taterblast]

Remember this, guys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KS7IxxHI0M8#t=12s

will never forget. it actually kind of crosses my mind every time he has the ball at the free throw line.

[OKclone]