4Q12 GDP

[sonofdaxjones]

You do understand that the vast majority of the policies that Obama is carrying forward in the fight against "terra" were enacted during the previous administration right?   Those were policies that the left literally marched on the streets about . . . now, outside of scant few, crickets.   Hypocrites . . . entire coalitions, PAC's etc. etc. were established by the left to protest and make those policies known.   Now the vast majority of people engaged in those activities either support the same policies completely or remain silent . . . for one reason, and one reason only. 

[OregonSmock]

You do understand that the vast majority of the policies that Obama is carrying forward in the fight against "terra" were enacted during the previous administration right?   Those were policies that the left literally marched on the streets about . . . now, outside of scant few, crickets.   Hypocrites . . . entire coalitions, PAC's etc. etc. were established by the left to protest and make those policies known.   Now the vast majority of people engaged in those activities either support the same policies completely or remain silent . . . for one reason, and one reason only.

You are so full of crap, man.  The left was outspoken against the war in Iraq and torture.  How has Obama continued those policies?  Please tell me.  You're more upset about the perceived hypocrisy from the left than you were about the actual war in Iraq.  Like I've said before, you are nothing more than an anti-Obama Republican.  Congrats.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

You do understand that the vast majority of the policies that Obama is carrying forward in the fight against "terra" were enacted during the previous administration right?   Those were policies that the left literally marched on the streets about . . . now, outside of scant few, crickets.   Hypocrites . . . entire coalitions, PAC's etc. etc. were established by the left to protest and make those policies known.   Now the vast majority of people engaged in those activities either support the same policies completely or remain silent . . . for one reason, and one reason only.

You are so full of crap, man.  The left was outspoken against the war in Iraq and torture.  How has Obama continued those policies?  Please tell me.  You're more upset about the perceived hypocrisy from the left than you were about the actual war in Iraq.  Like I've said before, you are nothing more than an anti-Obama Republican.  Congrats.

We don't really know whether or not torture is still going on. There are plenty of countries still working with the CIA holding prisoners indefinitely for the US.

[OregonSmock]

You do understand that the vast majority of the policies that Obama is carrying forward in the fight against "terra" were enacted during the previous administration right?   Those were policies that the left literally marched on the streets about . . . now, outside of scant few, crickets.   Hypocrites . . . entire coalitions, PAC's etc. etc. were established by the left to protest and make those policies known.   Now the vast majority of people engaged in those activities either support the same policies completely or remain silent . . . for one reason, and one reason only.

You are so full of crap, man.  The left was outspoken against the war in Iraq and torture.  How has Obama continued those policies?  Please tell me.  You're more upset about the perceived hypocrisy from the left than you were about the actual war in Iraq.  Like I've said before, you are nothing more than an anti-Obama Republican.  Congrats.

We don't really know whether or not torture is still going on. There are plenty of countries still working with the CIA holding prisoners indefinitely for the US.

Have you seen Zero Dark Thirty yet?  Just curious.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

You do understand that the vast majority of the policies that Obama is carrying forward in the fight against "terra" were enacted during the previous administration right?   Those were policies that the left literally marched on the streets about . . . now, outside of scant few, crickets.   Hypocrites . . . entire coalitions, PAC's etc. etc. were established by the left to protest and make those policies known.   Now the vast majority of people engaged in those activities either support the same policies completely or remain silent . . . for one reason, and one reason only.

You are so full of crap, man.  The left was outspoken against the war in Iraq and torture.  How has Obama continued those policies?  Please tell me.  You're more upset about the perceived hypocrisy from the left than you were about the actual war in Iraq.  Like I've said before, you are nothing more than an anti-Obama Republican.  Congrats.

We don't really know whether or not torture is still going on. There are plenty of countries still working with the CIA holding prisoners indefinitely for the US.

Have you seen Zero Dark Thirty yet?  Just curious.

No, but I would like to.

[OregonSmock]

You do understand that the vast majority of the policies that Obama is carrying forward in the fight against "terra" were enacted during the previous administration right?   Those were policies that the left literally marched on the streets about . . . now, outside of scant few, crickets.   Hypocrites . . . entire coalitions, PAC's etc. etc. were established by the left to protest and make those policies known.   Now the vast majority of people engaged in those activities either support the same policies completely or remain silent . . . for one reason, and one reason only.

You are so full of crap, man.  The left was outspoken against the war in Iraq and torture.  How has Obama continued those policies?  Please tell me.  You're more upset about the perceived hypocrisy from the left than you were about the actual war in Iraq.  Like I've said before, you are nothing more than an anti-Obama Republican.  Congrats.

We don't really know whether or not torture is still going on. There are plenty of countries still working with the CIA holding prisoners indefinitely for the US.

Have you seen Zero Dark Thirty yet?  Just curious.

No, but I would like to.

I just saw it last night.  Excellent movie.  You would enjoy it, imo.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Hmmmmm, so blowing up people and everything within 200 feet of them (including children) isnt invading? That's interesting.  Low droneIQ, but don't we need someone on the ground to ID the target and confirm the kills? Not invading either?

Regardless, the economy still sucks. But that's probably just as complex than the nuances of what constitutes "invading a sovereign land" like the country of Taliban, so what's the point?

[sonofdaxjones]

You do understand that the vast majority of the policies that Obama is carrying forward in the fight against "terra" were enacted during the previous administration right?   Those were policies that the left literally marched on the streets about . . . now, outside of scant few, crickets.   Hypocrites . . . entire coalitions, PAC's etc. etc. were established by the left to protest and make those policies known.   Now the vast majority of people engaged in those activities either support the same policies completely or remain silent . . . for one reason, and one reason only.

You are so full of crap, man.  The left was outspoken against the war in Iraq and torture.  How has Obama continued those policies?  Please tell me.  You're more upset about the perceived hypocrisy from the left than you were about the actual war in Iraq.  Like I've said before, you are nothing more than an anti-Obama Republican.  Congrats.

When I said "policies of the previous administration" I wasn't talking about Iraq dumbass . . . that's all you ever go to, Iraq, because you haven't got crap otherwise.   Drone Strikes, Rendition, Patriot Act, NDAA etc. etc. all started under the previous administration, hated by the left . . . only to be enhanced and amplified under this administration.   

[OregonSmock]

You do understand that the vast majority of the policies that Obama is carrying forward in the fight against "terra" were enacted during the previous administration right?   Those were policies that the left literally marched on the streets about . . . now, outside of scant few, crickets.   Hypocrites . . . entire coalitions, PAC's etc. etc. were established by the left to protest and make those policies known.   Now the vast majority of people engaged in those activities either support the same policies completely or remain silent . . . for one reason, and one reason only.

You are so full of crap, man.  The left was outspoken against the war in Iraq and torture.  How has Obama continued those policies?  Please tell me.  You're more upset about the perceived hypocrisy from the left than you were about the actual war in Iraq.  Like I've said before, you are nothing more than an anti-Obama Republican.  Congrats.

When I said "policies of the previous administration" I wasn't talking about Iraq dumbass . . . that's all you ever go to, Iraq, because you haven't got crap otherwise.   Drone Strikes, Rendition, Patriot Act, NDAA etc. etc. all started under the previous administration, hated by the left . . . only to be enhanced and amplified under this administration.

I'm not a fan of the Patriot Act or the fact that the Executive branch is essentially judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to our drone program.  However, I'm also not a big fan of time-wasting, inefficient government bureaucracy that forces our military and our country to try to fight the enemy with two hands tied behind our back.  If a terrorist is plotting a mass murder in a country like Pakistan, and we have a drone capable of stopping the attack, should we have to wait for someone from an office in DC to confirm the kill, or should the CIA and the military experts be able to make that decision on their own?  Perhaps there should be an element of the Judicial branch working right alongside the people who make these decisions, but take off your tin foil hat for a minute and accept the reality of the situation. 

[sonofdaxjones]

It's no tinfoil hat, it's front page news.

http://livingunderdrones.org/report/

The foreign press is also all over the factual reality that the so called terrorists have Western Intelligence fingerprints all over them with the latest poster child being Mokhtar Belmokhtar, the so called "mastermind" of the Algerian gas field attack/kidnappings.   He's got CIA all over him since the days of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and Pakistan and his recruitment from North African (a so called "African Arab" as the CIA liked to say back then) by the CIA and the ISI.   

When you need an excuse for the continuous expansion of AFRICOM and it's related direct and supported operations (like with the French in Mali) in North Africa, what better cover story is there than the "fight on terra"?? 

What better way to justify having a permanent military/intelligence presence in Central Asia and all that comes with it, than by having a constant "fighting terrorism" cover story?  Want to create more terrorists, then kill a lot of innocent people with drones.

"Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat."  Zbigniew Brzezinski-The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy And It's Geostrategic Imperatives page 211. 

[OregonSmock]

So Dax... you think that the threat of terrorism doesn't really exist?  Is that what I'm gathering?

[wetwillie]

He won't respond unless you make a passive aggressive statement followed by .......

[sonofdaxjones]

So Dax... you think that the threat of terrorism doesn't really exist?  Is that what I'm gathering?

What part of my post even hints that the threat of terrorism doesn't exist?

Who are the threats?  Who created the threats?  Who recruited the threats?  Who runs the threats? 

For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia... Now a non-Eurasian power is preeminent in Eurasia - and America's global primacy is directly dependent on how long and how effectively its preponderance on the Eurasian continent is sustained.”  Zibignew Brzezinski:  The Grand Chessboard, Page 30

"In that context, how America 'manages' Eurasia is critical. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa's subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania (Australia) geopolitically peripheral to the world's central continent. About 75 per cent of the world's people live in Eurasia, and most of the world's physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for about three-fourths of the world's known energy resources."  Zibignew Brzezinski:  The Grand Chessboard, Page 31

[OregonSmock]

So Dax... you think that the threat of terrorism doesn't really exist?  Is that what I'm gathering?

What part of my post even hints that the threat of terrorism doesn't exist?

This part:

...the so called terrorists have Western Intelligence fingerprints all over them with the latest poster child being Mokhtar Belmokhtar, the so called "mastermind" of the Algerian gas field attack/kidnappings.   He's got CIA all over him since the days of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and Pakistan and his recruitment from North African (a so called "African Arab" as the CIA liked to say back then) by the CIA and the ISI.

And this part:

When you need an excuse for the continuous expansion of AFRICOM and it's related direct and supported operations (like with the French in Mali) in North Africa, what better cover story is there than the "fight on terra"??

And this part:

What better way to justify having a permanent military/intelligence presence in Central Asia and all that comes with it, than by having a constant "fighting terrorism" cover story?

And this part:

Want to create more terrorists, then kill a lot of innocent people with drones.

[sonofdaxjones]

Not one single part said terrorism wasn't a threat Beems?   No where did I say people weren't dying, no where did I say that there would be no more terrorist attacks. 

[OregonSmock]

Not one single part said terrorism wasn't a threat Beems?   No where did I say people weren't dying, no where did I say that there would be no more terrorist attacks.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

I feel the same way in tryinig to discuss this with you Beems, you just look at it as a "kill the bad guys" scenario when we created the bad guys and in many cases either run the bad guys ourselves or outsource it to others to fund and run for us.

[OregonSmock]

I feel the same way in tryinig to discuss this with you Beems, you just look at it as a "kill the bad guys" scenario when we created the bad guys and in many cases either run the bad guys ourselves or outsource it to others to fund and run for us.

I'm not disputing that a lot of crazy stuff goes on within the CIA and throughout the world, but at the end of the day, a terrorist is a terrorist, regardless of whether or not they used to be an ally or an enemy.  This war between Muslims and Christians has been going on now for centuries.  It's not going to disappear all of a sudden.  It sucks but it's the world we live in.  Freedom isn't free.

[sonofdaxjones]

I feel the same way in tryinig to discuss this with you Beems, you just look at it as a "kill the bad guys" scenario when we created the bad guys and in many cases either run the bad guys ourselves or outsource it to others to fund and run for us.

I'm not disputing that a lot of crazy stuff goes on within the CIA and throughout the world, but at the end of the day, a terrorist is a terrorist, regardless of whether or not they used to be an ally or an enemy.  This war between Muslims and Christians has been going on now for centuries.  It's not going to disappear all of a sudden.  It sucks but it's the world we live in.  Freedom isn't free.

Translation, "Kill them there terraists."

[OregonSmock]

I feel the same way in tryinig to discuss this with you Beems, you just look at it as a "kill the bad guys" scenario when we created the bad guys and in many cases either run the bad guys ourselves or outsource it to others to fund and run for us.

I'm not disputing that a lot of crazy stuff goes on within the CIA and throughout the world, but at the end of the day, a terrorist is a terrorist, regardless of whether or not they used to be an ally or an enemy.  This war between Muslims and Christians has been going on now for centuries.  It's not going to disappear all of a sudden.  It sucks but it's the world we live in.  Freedom isn't free.

Translation, "Kill them there terraists."

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

[sonofdaxjones]

How do you respond when all you said was every lame ass cliché that until a Democrat was elected president many on the left mocked said clichés repeatedly?

How do you respond when someone has such a simplistic view of the world?

In a post cold war world, the U.S. military/intelligence/industrial complex needed an enemy, and some really smart folks realized they'd get one by using what they already created.    As Glenn Greenwald so correctly pointed out, this administration is only amplifying and expanding on the desires of PNAC, an entity that so many on the left melted down over 5-6-7 years ago.   

[ednksu]

suck it
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/01/business/economy/us-economy-barely-grew-in-fourth-quarter-revision-shows.html?_r=0

[LickNeckey]

lame stream media manipulations

keep being a sheep