#teamangel

[EMADUB]

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It's really conflicting that I love Angel so much yet everytime he steps up to take a 3, I cringe.

I justify my cringing of angels 3s by thinking that when I have my son James Terry "insert my last name", and JT plays the glorious game of bbal, that I will cringe out of love cause I love him so much and want him to make it.

So don't be conflicted, just know your love of Angel has reached full potential.

[yosh]

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

[michigancat]

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

felix is right, angel is my henson.

[yosh]

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

felix is right, angel is my henson.

yeah.  people won't like the comparison because they are either gopowercat, tuck, racists or goEMAW, anti-Henson, bizzaro tucks, but I think their careers will be similar.  Paricularly if Angel improves as a shooter.

[CNS]

I wanted that spinning reverse flip layup to the hoop when he got fouled to go in so bad 

Shane loved that

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[MakeItRain]

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

This isn't a shot at your post, yosh, or even a shot at Will so please don't take it that way. I used to think 1000 points was a big deal, but I just realized that you can reach 1000 points in a four year career by averaging under 8 ppg. I think 1000 was a bigger deal before 30 game regular seasons.

[bones129]

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

This isn't a shot at your post, yosh, or even a shot at Will so please don't take it that way. I used to think 1000 points was a big deal, but I just realized that you can reach 1000 points in a four year career by averaging under 8 ppg. I think 1000 was a bigger deal before 30 game regular seasons.

This is an excellent point. Let's also remember that there were many years when freshmen couldn't play varsity ball, and their stats only counted for their soph, junior, and senior years. Those guys played JV games before the varsity games.

[Skipper44]

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

This isn't a shot at your post, yosh, or even a shot at Will so please don't take it that way. I used to think 1000 points was a big deal, but I just realized that you can reach 1000 points in a four year career by averaging under 8 ppg. I think 1000 was a bigger deal before 30 game regular seasons.

This is an excellent point. Let's also remember that there were many years when freshmen couldn't play varsity ball, and their stats only counted for their soph, junior, and senior years. Those guys played JV games before the varsity games.

Also, the addition of the 3pt shot for the ancients.   

Conversely, 2,000 pts in career has become a mark of "I am a great college but not an NBA player" achievement.

[Winters]

Shane and Angel have a shared spot at #1 in my heart at the moment.

[TheFormerKCCat]

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.
So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

Love me some Angelito & I love the chemistry he's developing with others (Shane mainly). You can tell they have 'it.'

Sprads may NOT take until the end of next year if he keeps breaking body parts. I liked his energy after the half the other night. He has plenty of ribs, right?

[CNS]

If we could just find a way to develop a lob play from Angel to Shane that would allow Shane to violently DOB's, the world could end and I would be happy.

[yosh]

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

This isn't a shot at your post, yosh, or even a shot at Will so please don't take it that way. I used to think 1000 points was a big deal, but I just realized that you can reach 1000 points in a four year career by averaging under 8 ppg. I think 1000 was a bigger deal before 30 game regular seasons.

Yeah, but most people average 2 to 4 points as an underclassmen, then 15 to 18 as an upperclassmen.  Very few do as the third or fourth scoring option for four years  Lance Harris is the only other one I can remember, and he was a better scorer than Will.  1000 pts mark has deminished, but it's still not insignificant.  At the very least it says you played a lot.  Will might end up as the all time minutes leader if he stays healthy.  Let that sink in for a minute. 

[mocat]

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

This isn't a shot at your post, yosh, or even a shot at Will so please don't take it that way. I used to think 1000 points was a big deal, but I just realized that you can reach 1000 points in a four year career by averaging under 8 ppg. I think 1000 was a bigger deal before 30 game regular seasons.

This is an excellent point. Let's also remember that there were many years when freshmen couldn't play varsity ball, and their stats only counted for their soph, junior, and senior years. Those guys played JV games before the varsity games.

Agreed, still a cool milestone to achieve

[MakeItRain]

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

This isn't a shot at your post, yosh, or even a shot at Will so please don't take it that way. I used to think 1000 points was a big deal, but I just realized that you can reach 1000 points in a four year career by averaging under 8 ppg. I think 1000 was a bigger deal before 30 game regular seasons.

Yeah, but most people average 2 to 4 points as an underclassmen, then 15 to 18 as an upperclassmen.  Very few do as the third or fourth scoring option for four years  Lance Harris is the only other one I can remember, and he was a better scorer than Will.  1000 pts mark has deminished, but it's still not insignificant.  At the very least it says you played a lot.  Will might end up as the all time minutes leader if he stays healthy.  Let that sink in for a minute.

Most people? How about a few? I'll go with pretty much none. I can't remember a single basketball player who averaged 2-4 as a freshman and then 15-18 as an upperclassman. A 3 point average is horrible, a 16.5 average is very good. Name 2 and if you do tell us how long you had to search it.

I clearly didnt want to take a shot at will but since you're going to press me I'm gong to aim and fire. Will getting 1000 points doesn't mean anything other than Frank was awful at recruiting guards. Never has a 1000 point scorer been so pedestrian. Certainly within the annals of K-State basketball 1000 points has ever meant less. He is the fifth option when he is on the floor. Will eventually reaching that mark is the surest sign that its an arbitrary, useless milestone.

[yosh]

Since they started tracking steals in '82, only two players have record at least 1000pts, 300ast, and 100 steals in their career for K-State.  (Pullen and Henson)  Incidentally, they both had accomplished this by the end of their Junior season.  Angel will join them next year.


So will Spradling, though he'll be the only one of the four to take a full four years

This isn't a shot at your post, yosh, or even a shot at Will so please don't take it that way. I used to think 1000 points was a big deal, but I just realized that you can reach 1000 points in a four year career by averaging under 8 ppg. I think 1000 was a bigger deal before 30 game regular seasons.

Yeah, but most people average 2 to 4 points as an underclassmen, then 15 to 18 as an upperclassmen.  Very few do as the third or fourth scoring option for four years  Lance Harris is the only other one I can remember, and he was a better scorer than Will.  1000 pts mark has deminished, but it's still not insignificant.  At the very least it says you played a lot.  Will might end up as the all time minutes leader if he stays healthy.  Let that sink in for a minute.

Most people? How about a few? I'll go with pretty much none. I can't remember a single basketball player who averaged 2-4 as a freshman and then 15-18 as an upperclassman. A 3 point average is horrible, a 16.5 average is very good. Name 2 and if you do tell us how long you had to search it.

I clearly didnt want to take a shot at will but since you're going to press me I'm gong to aim and fire. Will getting 1000 points doesn't mean anything other than Frank was awful at recruiting guards. Never has a 1000 point scorer been so pedestrian. Certainly within the annals of K-State basketball 1000 points has ever meant less. He is the fifth option when he is on the floor. Will eventually reaching that mark is the surest sign that its an arbitrary, useless milestone.

Wasn't trying to push you on Will.  I will concede that Will Spradling will be the worst 1000 pt scorer of all time.  Sorry you took it that way.  If anthing I was defending the 1000 pt mark and saying Will is more of outlier becuase it was just a matter of getting an obsurd amount of minutes.  I probably worded it poorly.

All I was getting at was that most 1000 pt scorers progress so their career average may not be great, but they have great years when their turn comes.  Those numbers I threw out were probably a bit exagerated for effect, but, off the top of my head, Cartier and McGruder are both examples of players who progressed from barely contributing role players as freshman, to complimentary players as sophomores and stars as upperclassmen.  I think of most career 1000 pt scorers this way.  I can't think of a lot of players who come in and contribute 8ppg as a freshman and just stay there for 3 more years with either progressing or being recruited over.   

[Stevesie60]

It's really conflicting that I love Angel so much yet everytime he steps up to take a 3, I cringe.

you shouldn't.

Still convinced I should.

[ednksu]

his maturation over this season makes me like his 3s even more.  Usually a really great decision.

[kim carnes]

It's really conflicting that I love Angel so much yet everytime he steps up to take a 3, I cringe.

you shouldn't.

Still convinced I should.

A couple of months ago i loved when he shot 3's.  Now, not so much.

[kso_FAN]

Angel is an excellent point guard. Just great.

[Stevesie60]

He is absolutely amazing at everything except hitting 3's.

[puniraptor]

Angel is a beautiful hero with game winning free throw ice veins. Total stud hero with infinity assists and no turnovers.

[sys]

Still convinced I should.

you're still wrong.

[MakeItRain]

Handled those FTs like they were no problem

[Stevesie60]

Still convinced I should.

you're still wrong.

3 of 21 in the past 5 games is concerning.

[MakeItRain]

Still convinced I should.

you're still wrong.

3 of 21 in the past 5 games is concerning.

It's a slump, he'll be fine. I hope he keeps gunning.