Author Topic: So, this guy lists his top 40 KSU basketball players... (Read 15987 times)

kim carnes · « **Reply #25 on:** January 12, 2013, 09:10:08 PM »

where is paco?

jtksu · « **Reply #26 on:** January 12, 2013, 09:16:43 PM »

Quote from: kim carnes on January 12, 2013, 09:10:08 PM

where is paco?

eff you Kim Carnes. Also, Paco's day to day theme song would be Black or White by Michael Jackson.

kim carnes · « **Reply #27 on:** January 12, 2013, 09:18:16 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on January 12, 2013, 09:16:43 PM

Quote from: kim carnes on January 12, 2013, 09:10:08 PM
where is paco?

eff you Kim Carnes. Also, Paco's day to day theme song would be Black or White by Michael Jackson.

what?

daBish7 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 12, 2013, 09:44:57 PM »

Larry Reid?

Ghost of Stan Parrish · « **Reply #29 on:** January 12, 2013, 09:57:54 PM »

Thanks for the feedback.

In putting this together I dove headfirst into the record book. I don't think there are any unbreakable records there, but there are some pretty impressive kinda obscure marks where the leader is way out in front of anyone else in KSU history:

Rebounds
1. Ed Nealy (1,069)
2. Jack Parr (889)
3. David Hall (827)

Field Goals
1. Mike Evans (890)
2. Ro Blackman (755)
3. Jake Pullen (653)

3pt fg %
1. Will Scott (51.3%)
2. Steve Henson (44.7%)
3. Mitch Richmond (41.3%)

Will Scott was helped by the 3 point line being new, but he was a deadeye with a set shot. BTW, the top 2 players in 3-point percentage are the same top 2 players in free throw shooting percentage, so they clearly just had a good stroke.

The rebounds and field goal leaders are pretty impressive, yes? But then how sick is it that Beasley had 408 rebounds and 307 field goals in his freshman season? Another two years and he would've held every record in school.

The most unbreakable record might be Marcus Zeigler's career assist-to-turn-over rate of 3.18. That will be tough to top.

steve dave · « **Reply #30 on:** January 12, 2013, 09:59:20 PM »

I think career post KSU should not be considered. just imo.

Ghost of Stan Parrish · « **Reply #31 on:** January 12, 2013, 10:05:52 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on January 12, 2013, 09:59:20 PM

I think career post KSU should not be considered. just imo.

I definitely used that as a factor, NBA guys definitely got a boost. So did major award winners. But JamSam being listed so high is an example of someone's career numbers at KSU alone looking really impressive.

ednksu · « **Reply #32 on:** January 12, 2013, 10:10:31 PM »

how you have J Mas behind Jamar is beyond me. He is my adorable Wooly hero.

jtksu · « **Reply #33 on:** January 12, 2013, 10:17:34 PM »

To be fair, he blatantly said it was one guys top 40. If you want to make your own list, no one is stopping you.

bones129 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 12, 2013, 10:22:49 PM »

Quote from: ednksu on January 12, 2013, 10:10:31 PM

how you have J Mas behind Jamar is beyond me. He is my adorable Wooly hero.

Massey was definitely a highlight of the Wooly era. A highlight among not very many highlights.

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Cire · « **Reply #35 on:** January 12, 2013, 10:38:09 PM »

beas and ck would effing smash and teabag boozer and nealy

Sandstone Outcropping · « **Reply #36 on:** January 12, 2013, 11:04:50 PM »

good thread

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #37 on:** January 12, 2013, 11:47:18 PM »

what an absolutely amazing list and write up. obvs nobody is going to agree with all of it but wow. fav part was the quick hitter line under each name. great job.

bones129 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 12, 2013, 11:57:00 PM »

Quote from: rick daris on January 12, 2013, 11:47:18 PM

what an absolutely amazing list and write up. obvs nobody is going to agree with all of it but wow. fav part was the quick hitter line under each name. great job.

Agreed. Great effort.

EMAWzified · « **Reply #39 on:** January 13, 2013, 01:00:40 AM »

My list would include:
Tyrone Davis. Surely some remember him. Played on Asbury's NCAA team. Fought an injury is senior year, but still averaged like 14 plus point.
Mike Wroblewski, blew up his senior season when the center averaged 19 points a game and was all-american. Still owns he K-State single-game scoring record against KU, I think.
Carl Gerlach. Was in the same class as Chuckie Williams. 6-11 center was a 10+ per game scorer and 8+ per game rebounder as junior and senior and a very good defensive player.
Larry Dassie. Was a juco player. 6-4 power forward Really came on as a senior when he averaged 13 points and 8.7 rebounds on the 1977 Big 8 championship team (K-State's last). Died young in a car crash in Spain while playing for a team there.
Small forward Jerry Venerable 15.5 points, 7.9 rebound in two years as a juco transfer. All conference on Cotton's 1970 championship team.
Dean Harris. What could have been? Died in a car wreck the summer after his freshmen year. Started as a 6-8 power forward as a freshman averaging 7.4 points and 6.5 rebounds.
Ernie Kusnyer. 6-5 forward average 12.7 pts and 7.5 rebs. in three year career 71, 72, 73. Was on two Big 8 championship teams.
Steve Honeycutt, point guard on Tex's last Big 8 championship team. Played 67 through 69. Didn't keep assists back then or he'd probably be near top. Also gets Zeigler off the list.
Others, Randy Reed, Tony Kitt, Larry Williams, Charles Bledsoe

kim carnes · « **Reply #40 on:** January 13, 2013, 01:04:10 AM »

When I was a kid, I got Tyrone Davis autograph on a foam k-state cat claw. Pretty great.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 13, 2013, 02:50:33 AM »

The number of Evans' FGs just blows my mind. And Beasley's numbers by comparison.

jtksu · « **Reply #42 on:** January 13, 2013, 02:54:26 AM »

Quote from: Jakesie60 on January 13, 2013, 02:50:33 AM

The number of Evans' FGs just blows my mind. And Beasley's numbers by comparison.

Yeah, Beasley was really rough ridin' good. Also, rumors of him being traded to Memphis. Guess they want/need a scorer.

EMAWzified · « **Reply #43 on:** January 13, 2013, 04:51:01 AM »

Beasley had 20 is the Suns' win Saturday at Chicago. Maybe they were showcasing him because he hasn't been getting many minutes.

yosh · « **Reply #44 on:** January 13, 2013, 08:03:47 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on January 12, 2013, 09:59:20 PM

I think career post KSU should not be considered. just imo.

Why not?

kitten_mittons · « **Reply #45 on:** January 13, 2013, 10:39:33 AM »

Quote from: EMAWzified on January 13, 2013, 01:00:40 AM

My list would include:
Tyrone Davis. Surely some remember him. Played on Asbury's NCAA team. Fought an injury is senior year, but still averaged like 14 plus point.
Mike Wroblewski, blew up his senior season when the center averaged 19 points a game and was all-american. Still owns he K-State single-game scoring record against KU, I think.
Carl Gerlach. Was in the same class as Chuckie Williams. 6-11 center was a 10+ per game scorer and 8+ per game rebounder as junior and senior and a very good defensive player.
Larry Dassie. Was a juco player. 6-4 power forward Really came on as a senior when he averaged 13 points and 8.7 rebounds on the 1977 Big 8 championship team (K-State's last). Died young in a car crash in Spain while playing for a team there.
Small forward Jerry Venerable 15.5 points, 7.9 rebound in two years as a juco transfer. All conference on Cotton's 1970 championship team.
Dean Harris. What could have been? Died in a car wreck the summer after his freshmen year. Started as a 6-8 power forward as a freshman averaging 7.4 points and 6.5 rebounds.
Ernie Kusnyer. 6-5 forward average 12.7 pts and 7.5 rebs. in three year career 71, 72, 73. Was on two Big 8 championship teams.
Steve Honeycutt, point guard on Tex's last Big 8 championship team. Played 67 through 69. Didn't keep assists back then or he'd probably be near top. Also gets Zeigler off the list.
Others, Randy Reed, Tony Kitt, Larry Williams, Charles Bledsoe

How old are you?

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 13, 2013, 11:30:04 AM »

Quote from: yosh on January 13, 2013, 08:03:47 AM

Quote from: steve dave on January 12, 2013, 09:59:20 PM
I think career post KSU should not be considered. just imo.

Why not?

Well, if we applied this logic to football we'd have like, 2 good football players on our team. And Michael Bishop and Collin Klein wouldn't even make the top 25.

Also, Jacob Pullen is probably the best player in K-State history based on intangibles and what he did for K-State. Should someone get the edge over him as a K-State great because they went to the NBA?

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #47 on:** January 13, 2013, 11:45:35 AM »

Steve Henson is the best pg we've ever had and its not close. After that, I'd take all shooting guards. Just ridiculous talent at that position for the Cats.

yosh · « **Reply #48 on:** January 13, 2013, 01:14:12 PM »

Quote from: Jakesie60 on January 13, 2013, 11:30:04 AM

Quote from: yosh on January 13, 2013, 08:03:47 AM
Quote from: steve dave on January 12, 2013, 09:59:20 PM
I think career post KSU should not be considered. just imo.

Why not?

Well, if we applied this logic to football we'd have like, 2 good football players on our team. And Michael Bishop and Collin Klein wouldn't even make the top 25.

Also, Jacob Pullen is probably the best player in K-State history based on intangibles and what he did for K-State. Should someone get the edge over him as a K-State great because they went to the NBA?

Tuck answer.

Deez Nutz · « **Reply #49 on:** January 13, 2013, 01:27:08 PM »

Quote from: Jakesie60 on January 13, 2013, 11:30:04 AM

Quote from: yosh on January 13, 2013, 08:03:47 AM
Quote from: steve dave on January 12, 2013, 09:59:20 PM
I think career post KSU should not be considered. just imo.

Why not?

Well, if we applied this logic to football we'd have like, 2 good football players on our team. And Michael Bishop and Collin Klein wouldn't even make the top 25.

Also, Jacob Pullen is probably the best player in K-State history based on intangibles and what he did for K-State. Should someone get the edge over him as a K-State great because they went to the NBA?

No, the logic you applied to the Bishop and Klein example would be if only the post-KSU career were considered. However, that is obviously not what GoSP is doing, and I appreciated the extra effort of detailing their professional careers. One way to look at it is that if you were putting together a team now based on these players in their prime, you would factor in not only the KSU statistics and their intangibles (as you mention), but you would also look at their overall talent level. In hindsight, knowing how they did in their professional career is an indicator of their overall talent level, so it can be considered to a small extent but should not be the primary basis of the rankings.

For instance, when I think of Mitch Richmond, in a way it is difficult for me to separate his short 2-year KSU career from his stellar NBA career. If he had flopped in the NBA, it would probably slightly diminish how great of a KSU player he was in our minds, and we may be more likely to forget about him. But because of his NBA career, it tends to validate and enhance how talented he was and what a stud player he was at KSU. It makes me want to make damn sure he is in my starting 5 in other words.