oscar's starting lineups and rotations (long)

[ChiComCat]

I would start JO or Gip based on who they are matching up against.  I think last year against KU, Gip was much more effective against Withey has his big body wouldn't let Withey get in position whereas JO was getting pushed around.  Gip should start that game

[Sandstone Outcropping]

I still want more JO, and JO starting.  Part of it revolves around fouls, but a lot of it has to do with Webber believing that JO should back up Gipson, which I will never, ever, ever in my life support. #TeamJO

I want JO getting minutes as well, but it doesn't matter to me if he starts. Frankly, Gip has been more consistent so I don't have a problem with him starting. Lately oscar has been trying to play JO more, but JO has been limiting himself with foul problems. In some ways it may benefit him to come off the bench to help him avoid an early cheap foul, plus give us a defensive spark and rim presence.

Ideally JO and Gip get 20-25 with Nino and Shane getting 15-20 each. Shane is going to get a few on the perimeter as well when needed. I can live with that rotation.

I think part of JO's struggles are related to him coming off the bench.  Some players deal with this well (Jamar) and others do not.  I think that when JO knows he is a backup, he comes off the bench more anxious to do something with an immediate impact.  I think that makes him overly aggressive instead of playing within himself.  I think if he knew he was a starter he wouldn't play quite as aggressively and might avoid foul trouble more.

Last year he was able to play 20 minutes a game with 2.4 fouls per game.  Did you guys know he fouled out 0 times last year? 6 times he had 4.

The athletic dept needs to hire a good sport psychologist and get this figured out.

They just fired the bitb.

[Belvis Noland]

I still want more JO, and JO starting.  Part of it revolves around fouls, but a lot of it has to do with Webber believing that JO should back up Gipson, which I will never, ever, ever in my life support. #TeamJO

I'd want more of JO if he could give us what he's capable of.  Basically, he needs to stop being a moron and committing stupid fouls.  More smart play = more minutes.  More minutes for JO is a good thing for this team. 

[cas4ksu]

I still want more JO, and JO starting.  Part of it revolves around fouls, but a lot of it has to do with Webber believing that JO should back up Gipson, which I will never, ever, ever in my life support. #TeamJO

I want JO getting minutes as well, but it doesn't matter to me if he starts. Frankly, Gip has been more consistent so I don't have a problem with him starting. Lately oscar has been trying to play JO more, but JO has been limiting himself with foul problems. In some ways it may benefit him to come off the bench to help him avoid an early cheap foul, plus give us a defensive spark and rim presence.

Ideally JO and Gip get 20-25 with Nino and Shane getting 15-20 each. Shane is going to get a few on the perimeter as well when needed. I can live with that rotation.

I think part of JO's struggles are related to him coming off the bench.  Some players deal with this well (Jamar) and others do not.  I think that when JO knows he is a backup, he comes off the bench more anxious to do something with an immediate impact.  I think that makes him overly aggressive instead of playing within himself. I think if he knew he was a starter he wouldn't play quite as aggressively and might avoid foul trouble more.

Last year he was able to play 20 minutes a game with 2.4 fouls per game.  Did you guys know he fouled out 0 times last year? 6 times he had 4.

That's a really good point.

However, during the last game against West Virginia, I think he was more of a victim of some nickel and dime fouls. IIRC, he wasn't being overly agressive when called for the fouls but was just a victim of officiating.

[kso_FAN]

I still want more JO, and JO starting.  Part of it revolves around fouls, but a lot of it has to do with Webber believing that JO should back up Gipson, which I will never, ever, ever in my life support. #TeamJO

I want JO getting minutes as well, but it doesn't matter to me if he starts. Frankly, Gip has been more consistent so I don't have a problem with him starting. Lately oscar has been trying to play JO more, but JO has been limiting himself with foul problems. In some ways it may benefit him to come off the bench to help him avoid an early cheap foul, plus give us a defensive spark and rim presence.

Ideally JO and Gip get 20-25 with Nino and Shane getting 15-20 each. Shane is going to get a few on the perimeter as well when needed. I can live with that rotation.

I think part of JO's struggles are related to him coming off the bench.  Some players deal with this well (Jamar) and others do not.  I think that when JO knows he is a backup, he comes off the bench more anxious to do something with an immediate impact.  I think that makes him overly aggressive instead of playing within himself. I think if he knew he was a starter he wouldn't play quite as aggressively and might avoid foul trouble more.

Last year he was able to play 20 minutes a game with 2.4 fouls per game.  Did you guys know he fouled out 0 times last year? 6 times he had 4.

That's a really good point.

However, during the last game against West Virginia, I think he was more of a victim of some nickel and dime fouls. IIRC, he wasn't being overly agressive when called for the fouls but was just a victim of officiating.

IMO JO has to adjust the way he plays defense. Its clear what other teams are doing against him; when you attack JO make sure you get into his body as you shoot (not after) and he will bump you and draw the foul. I'd guess over half of his fouls are clean blocks, but he is getting body contact as he blocks the shot and a foul call as the shot happens. There are plenty of times where there is contact, but after the block has happened. Officials give big guys the benefit of the doubt in that case, but when contact happens with the body as the block takes place they call fouls on the defender the majority of the time. Go back and watch and you'll see that this is by far JO's biggest issues this year with fouls and getting himself into foul trouble.

[Belvis Noland]

IMO JO has to adjust the way he plays defense. Its clear what other teams are doing against him; when you attack JO make sure you get into his body as you shoot (not after) and he will bump you and draw the foul. I'd guess over half of his fouls are clean blocks, but he is getting body contact as he blocks the shot and a foul call as the shot happens.

Admittedly, I haven't gone back and watched film, but my observation is that he's fouling with his arms much moreso than with his body.  His trouble begins by being out of position.  He's either too slow rotating to the ball, or he simply guards his man too far from the basket.  In either case, he leaves the basket unprotected far too often.  He then tries to compensate for his poor position by using his wingspan to reach out (not up) to block shots.  But, more often than not, a big man reaching across the body to block a shot will be called for a foul.

I see a lot of this out of JO.









     

[kso_FAN]

I'd agree with that too.

[ben ji]

Do you think JO starts against KU to matchup with Withey?

Watching the Baylor game last night it looked like Baylor defended him well with Rico Gathers, a 6'8 260 Freshman. Withey seemed to have trouble getting a decent shot off against him because of his bulk which gives me hope that Gip might be able to matchup with him.

I could see Gip having problems though as he is probably 1-2 inches shorter than Gathers.

[pissclams]

I would start JO or Gip based on who they are matching up against.  I think last year against KU, Gip was much more effective against Withey has his big body wouldn't let Withey get in position whereas JO was getting pushed around.  Gip should start that game

this is the best descriptor of what will happen.  match ups have, and will continue to, decide our line ups.  and that's the way it should be.

[Pete]

Soren Petro's soul judgment of KSU basketball is the number of minutes he sees in the box score for JO.

I catch myself doing the same thing.

[Cartierfor3]

What lineup gets Withey pushed out farthest from the rim?  That's the one we want next Tuesday. 

[pissclams]

What lineup gets Withey pushed out farthest from the rim?  That's the one we want next Tuesday. 

what if gip, JO, and DJamer locked hands and formed a large circle under and outward from the basket.  just don't let withey break into the ring and he cant get close to the basket, problem solved. 

sometimes it just takes a bit of creative thought, but im sure oscar has already thought of this so don't worry i'm sure he will use it against ku.

[michigancat]

who will guard Maric?

[kso_FAN]

who will guard Maric?

Billy Walker.

[Powercat Posse]

I mentioned it after the Fla game, but i really like us going with Shane and Nino at the 4 spot.    At the same time, i do think we need to get the bigs more than the 40 minutes from the bigs (Gip and JO)

When Rod was getting his breaks, he was playing Omari.  I would rather see him play Shane at the 3 and go with 2 bigs when we give Rod a breather.

These minutes would work for me =

Rod 36
Will 33
Angel 28
Shane 24
Gip 23

Tay 19
JO 21
Nino 16

[Pete]

Why so few for Angel?  Assuming foul trouble?

[Belvis Noland]

somebody formulate a rotation for me that reduces Will's minutes below 25per.   

[8manpick]

somebody formulate a rotation for me that reduces Will's minutes below 25per.

Rod 36
Angel 33
Will 23
Shane 24
JO 24

Tay 24
Gip 20
Nino 16

[eastcat]

somebody formulate a rotation for me that reduces Will's minutes below 25 15per.

[Kat Kid]

somebody formulate a rotation for me that reduces Will's minutes below 25per.

Rod 36
Angel 33
Will 23
Shane 24
JO 24

Tay 24
Gip 20
Nino 16

[Emo EMAW]

Is everyone okay with Tay playing 20+ minutes?  I sure am.  Just wanted to make sure. 

[Belvis Noland]

The only argument for Will over Irving is his 52/18 A/TO ratio.  Irving comes in at 32/12. 

Btw, speaking of A/TO ratios, I'd like a stat geek to explain to me why our two best big men, Gip and JO have a combined A/TO ratio of 5/38?  I mean, that's rough ridin' abysmal, no?  I get that bigs don't assist, but why are they turning it over so much?   

[Pete]

Is everyone okay with Tay playing 20+ minutes?  I sure am.  Just wanted to make sure.

Fine by me!

[cas4ksu]

Do you think JO starts against KU to matchup with Withey?

Watching the Baylor game last night it looked like Baylor defended him well with Rico Gathers, a 6'8 260 Freshman. Withey seemed to have trouble getting a decent shot off against him because of his bulk which gives me hope that Gip might be able to matchup with him.

I could see Gip having problems though as he is probably 1-2 inches shorter than Gathers.

I think what you'll see is JO getting most of the time on Withey for sure. And I think that's a matchup that JO can definitely do well in, if he stays out of foul trouble.

Gipson can try out muscling and push Withey off of the block, but Withey struggles more with length than getting muscled. If a combo of JO and Diaz (?) can use their height to stay in front of Withey and make him shoot over the top then I think we can have success in that matchup.

[nicname]

The only argument for Will over Irving is his 52/18 A/TO ratio.  Irving comes in at 32/12. 

Btw, speaking of A/TO ratios, I'd like a stat geek to explain to me why our two best big men, Gip and JO have a combined A/TO ratio of 5/38?  I mean, that's rough ridin' abysmal, no?  I get that bigs don't assist, but why are they turning it over so much?

LBBIQ here, but I would say it is because they never pass and there is a lot of traffic when they get the ball down low.  That and they have stone-hands.