the human mind is an amazing thing.

[CNS]

I clearly didn't give Frank enough credit for his coaching . . . mea culpa.

But in terms of actual basketball talent, he really didn't recruit for $hit a number of years.    Woeful shooters, deplorable court awareness, low energy, low B-ball IQ . . . I never fully understood and appreciated why Frank had to be a complete maniac all the time.   

When you've got a team of I3 grade diamonds, it takes a maniacal level of polishing just to get them good enough to even bother displaying in public.

I see no way oscar Weber can bring in enough talent to run his weak sister/weak knee-ed system at K-State.   Maybe at MVC-Mid-Major Southern Illinois, maybe with a bunch of bon-a-fide studs, but not with this bunch, and not with his recruits.   The talent will need to be much higher, the mix of talent and ability will need to be nearly perfect all the time, or it will be a train wreck all the time.

oscar must need the kind of talent that is so fantastic that it doesn't do well in his system, it overcomes his system.

[sonofdaxjones]

Team is not untalented.  Might be the  worst talking point ever.

No it is NOT the worst talking point.   There have been games when we've had one wide open shot after another, and missed most of them.   When Jo can't even grab the simplest, most basic rebound without fumbling it away etc. etc.  You have to talk about talent, it cannot be ignored and anyone who thinks so is an idiot . . . period.

[catzacker]

The team is talented to do what it was recruited to do.  You can't use a hammer to cut a piece of wood.  oscar's failure with this group is finding some "version" of his offensive philosophy that fits this team's skill set.  Which, imo, only shows how inept weber is.  Frank changed "his" offense mid season because it wasn't using his team's abilities well enough.

[deputy dawg]

Team is not untalented.  Might be the  worst talking point ever.

I don't pretend to know talent, but when a team consistently begins games by shooting < 30%, it makes you wonder how talented they are at shooting the basketball. 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Much like Sickle-Cell Anemia, which only affects people of African descent, oscar has the ability to gain the undying loyalty of every middle-aged white man he comes into contact with (aside from new Illinois AD Mike Thomas.) It is inexplicable and it has scientists and psychiatrists stumped. There is no known cure for Bruceism.

[kougar24]

basketball is a simple game. Way simpler than people think. Coaches are more likely to eff things up than make them better.

Yep. Frank realized that an overly simple scheme enabled his raw, athletic guys to be aggressive instead of thinking, "OK, in this play, I'm supposed to go where again? Oh yeah, the corner!" [runs to corner with head down and smiles when he gets there, pleased about being in the right spot yet oblivious to where the ball or his defender are].

I'm not defending Frank as some sort of guru for the above, just saying that he was smart enough to know that the more tampering he did, the more likely he was to eff up his guys like mich said.

[CNS]

Well crap.

I feel like Mahattan is a worst case scenario for such an outbreak. 

Probs the same concern all the anti-NBAF guys have. 

[MakeItRain]

basketball is a simple game. Way simpler than people think. Coaches are more likely to eff things up than make them better.

Yep. Frank realized that an overly simple scheme enabled his raw, athletic guys to be aggressive instead of thinking, "OK, in this play, I'm supposed to go where again? Oh yeah, the corner!" [runs to corner with head down and smiles when he gets there, pleased about being in the right spot yet oblivious to where the ball or his defender are].

I'm not defending Frank as some sort of guru for the above, just saying that he was smart enough to know that the more tampering he did, the more likely he was to eff up his guys like mich said.

It was not overly simple, it was a series of cuts and screens, like every other offense.  People talking about complexities of basketball offenses make me want to injure someone.  Rusty has it right.

[8manpick]

basketball is a simple game. Way simpler than people think. Coaches are more likely to eff things up than make them better.

Yep. Frank realized that an overly simple scheme enabled his raw, athletic guys to be aggressive instead of thinking, "OK, in this play, I'm supposed to go where again? Oh yeah, the corner!" [runs to corner with head down and smiles when he gets there, pleased about being in the right spot yet oblivious to where the ball or his defender are].

I'm not defending Frank as some sort of guru for the above, just saying that he was smart enough to know that the more tampering he did, the more likely he was to eff up his guys like mich said.

It was not overly simple, it was a series of cuts and screens, like every other offense.  People talking about complexities of basketball offenses make me want to injure someone.  Rusty has it right.

I agree to some degree, although the amount of decision making left up to the player can vary significantly.  Whether they are supposed to be reading the defender to decide which cut to make or simply making a cut regardless to set up the next phase, can make a difference.

[MakeItRain]

basketball is a simple game. Way simpler than people think. Coaches are more likely to eff things up than make them better.

Yep. Frank realized that an overly simple scheme enabled his raw, athletic guys to be aggressive instead of thinking, "OK, in this play, I'm supposed to go where again? Oh yeah, the corner!" [runs to corner with head down and smiles when he gets there, pleased about being in the right spot yet oblivious to where the ball or his defender are].

I'm not defending Frank as some sort of guru for the above, just saying that he was smart enough to know that the more tampering he did, the more likely he was to eff up his guys like mich said.

It was not overly simple, it was a series of cuts and screens, like every other offense.  People talking about complexities of basketball offenses make me want to injure someone.  Rusty has it right.

I agree to some degree, although the amount of decision making left up to the player can vary significantly.  Whether they are supposed to be reading the defender to decide which cut to make or simply making a cut regardless to set up the next phase, can make a difference.

Yes you are correct.  99% of college basketball players have no problem with this, sure there are possessions when a player makes the wrong read, but thats way different from not grasping the offense.  These guys were introduced to Weber's offense 6 damn months ago.  The only thing that isn't being received is the coaching staff not understanding what the players do well and adjusting accordingly.

[kougar24]

basketball is a simple game. Way simpler than people think. Coaches are more likely to eff things up than make them better.

Yep. Frank realized that an overly simple scheme enabled his raw, athletic guys to be aggressive instead of thinking, "OK, in this play, I'm supposed to go where again? Oh yeah, the corner!" [runs to corner with head down and smiles when he gets there, pleased about being in the right spot yet oblivious to where the ball or his defender are].

I'm not defending Frank as some sort of guru for the above, just saying that he was smart enough to know that the more tampering he did, the more likely he was to eff up his guys like mich said.

It was not overly simple, it was a series of cuts and screens, like every other offense.  People talking about complexities of basketball offenses make me want to injure someone.  Rusty has it right.

"Overly simple" in the sense of number of plays/variations, not complexity of the plays themselves. We had a very limited repository of plays under Frank, for good reason (stated above).

[MakeItRain]

basketball is a simple game. Way simpler than people think. Coaches are more likely to eff things up than make them better.

Yep. Frank realized that an overly simple scheme enabled his raw, athletic guys to be aggressive instead of thinking, "OK, in this play, I'm supposed to go where again? Oh yeah, the corner!" [runs to corner with head down and smiles when he gets there, pleased about being in the right spot yet oblivious to where the ball or his defender are].

I'm not defending Frank as some sort of guru for the above, just saying that he was smart enough to know that the more tampering he did, the more likely he was to eff up his guys like mich said.

It was not overly simple, it was a series of cuts and screens, like every other offense.  People talking about complexities of basketball offenses make me want to injure someone.  Rusty has it right.

"Overly simple" in the sense of number of plays/variations, not complexity of the plays themselves. We had a very limited repository of plays under Frank, for good reason (stated above).

 

[kougar24]

basketball is a simple game. Way simpler than people think. Coaches are more likely to eff things up than make them better.

Yep. Frank realized that an overly simple scheme enabled his raw, athletic guys to be aggressive instead of thinking, "OK, in this play, I'm supposed to go where again? Oh yeah, the corner!" [runs to corner with head down and smiles when he gets there, pleased about being in the right spot yet oblivious to where the ball or his defender are].

I'm not defending Frank as some sort of guru for the above, just saying that he was smart enough to know that the more tampering he did, the more likely he was to eff up his guys like mich said.

It was not overly simple, it was a series of cuts and screens, like every other offense.  People talking about complexities of basketball offenses make me want to injure someone.  Rusty has it right.

"Overly simple" in the sense of number of plays/variations, not complexity of the plays themselves. We had a very limited repository of plays under Frank, for good reason (stated above).

 

[felix rex]

I enjoy when people suggest that Frank was basically teaching these guys Spanglish and now Weber wants them to speak Chinese.

 It takes years! At least 6 months of immersion for the basics! And 3 more years before you can read at a 5th grade level!

[pissclams]

egypt wasn't built in a day

[bigwillie20]

egypt wasn't built in a day

Neither was a landfill

[pissclams]

same diff

[michigancat]

same diff

Heh

[8manpick]

basketball is a simple game. Way simpler than people think. Coaches are more likely to eff things up than make them better.

Yep. Frank realized that an overly simple scheme enabled his raw, athletic guys to be aggressive instead of thinking, "OK, in this play, I'm supposed to go where again? Oh yeah, the corner!" [runs to corner with head down and smiles when he gets there, pleased about being in the right spot yet oblivious to where the ball or his defender are].

I'm not defending Frank as some sort of guru for the above, just saying that he was smart enough to know that the more tampering he did, the more likely he was to eff up his guys like mich said.

It was not overly simple, it was a series of cuts and screens, like every other offense.  People talking about complexities of basketball offenses make me want to injure someone.  Rusty has it right.

I agree to some degree, although the amount of decision making left up to the player can vary significantly.  Whether they are supposed to be reading the defender to decide which cut to make or simply making a cut regardless to set up the next phase, can make a difference.

Yes you are correct.  99% of college basketball players have no problem with this, sure there are possessions when a player makes the wrong read, but thats way different from not grasping the offense.  These guys were introduced to Weber's offense 6 damn months ago.  The only thing that isn't being received is the coaching staff not understanding what the players do well and adjusting accordingly.

Yeah agree completely. That's pretty much high school bullshit anyway. At least in terms of having a hard time with it.

[sys]

i love these posters.  they make the gpc posters look like boring old tucks.

Think greased lightning.  Fastest five guys I've ever seen play the game.  Also, good shooters.  Their weakness, of course, is they can get pushed around and don't have the size to stop bigs from scoring underneath.

For the most part, I actually felt we played good defense except for the barrage of three's they hit at the end of the first and second halves.   They moved the ball around the perimeter so quickly, and came off screens so quickly, that Frank's overplaying man to man would've been disastrous.  If we hadn't switched on screens, instead of fighting our way through, well, it probably would've been an overtime game like the North Florida game last year.

The two games against quality competition and the competitive nature of those games shows their potential.  Potential = possible upset.  I don't care if they lost by 50 to Dry Gulch.  They took Colorado to double OT.  A bad team cannot do that!

The 236 ranking means absolutely nothing to me, and I bet it didn't to Weber as well.
These are the only number that Weber's team needed to see before their game with Texas Southern:

Colorado 85
Texas Southern 80 - 2OT Boulder, Colo.  If Weber showed them your 236 number, then he's a fool.

[felix rex]

same diff

Heh

You don't just stroll into Garbage City and walk away with some tin.

[deputy dawg]

egypt wasn't built in a day

Neither was a landfill

Yeah, it only takes one season to go from being relevant to being a landfill.

[kougar24]

i love these posters.  they make the gpc posters look like boring old tucks.

Think greased lightning.  Fastest five guys I've ever seen play the game.  Also, good shooters.  Their weakness, of course, is they can get pushed around and don't have the size to stop bigs from scoring underneath.

For the most part, I actually felt we played good defense except for the barrage of three's they hit at the end of the first and second halves.   They moved the ball around the perimeter so quickly, and came off screens so quickly, that Frank's overplaying man to man would've been disastrous.  If we hadn't switched on screens, instead of fighting our way through, well, it probably would've been an overtime game like the North Florida game last year.

The two games against quality competition and the competitive nature of those games shows their potential.  Potential = possible upset.  I don't care if they lost by 50 to Dry Gulch.  They took Colorado to double OT.  A bad team cannot do that!

The 236 ranking means absolutely nothing to me, and I bet it didn't to Weber as well.
These are the only number that Weber's team needed to see before their game with Texas Southern:

Colorado 85
Texas Southern 80 - 2OT Boulder, Colo.  If Weber showed them your 236 number, then he's a fool.

The sad thing is, they don't even realize the only reason they're on that basketball board in the first place is because of Frank. It used to be a deserted island over there.

[felix rex]

Yeah. The hilarious part is Koug was banned for relentlessly driving traffic away from the Prince dumpster fire board and to the Martin optimism board.

[ZappaCat]

Much like Sickle-Cell Anemia, which only affects people of African descent, oscar has the ability to gain the undying loyalty of every middle-aged white man he comes into contact with (aside from new Illinois AD Mike Thomas.) It is inexplicable and it has scientists and psychiatrists stumped. There is no known cure for Bruceism.

As a middle-aged white man I take exception to this!

I have never needed to be cured of Bruceism.