Another school shooting

[steve dave]

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

you cannot be serious with this gun toting teachers thing.

Yes, I am. Some of you seem to think that just because they are teachers that they are incapable of doing what millions of police officers and military members do. Anyone can be trained to use a gun to defend themselves and others.

I don't even...

["storm"nut]

Another important thing that needs to be addressed is we need laws and severe punishment for existing sets of laws that hold registered owners of guns responsible if there firearms are used in a crime or involved in a shooting incident (kid shooting himself with a loaded, unlocked gun for instance). Owning a firearm should not be a lackadaisical thing. It should be a very serious and important responsibility.

[steve dave]

Another important thing that needs to be addressed is we need laws and severe punishment for existing sets of laws that hold registered owners of guns responsible if there firearms are used in a crime or involved in a shooting incident (kid shooting himself with a loaded, unlocked gun for instance). Owning a firearm should not be a lackadaisical thing. It should be a very serious and important responsibility.

good point

[MixBerryCrunch]

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

and I think you are a idiot for thinking that a person watching a person shoot other people would remember to check down range for clean shots, proper trigger squeeze, and a multitude of other things taught in any gun defense course. Hell a lot of cops and well train solders have these issues. You can train for a situation all you want, but until the bullets fly you don't know jack how people behind a gun will react. And yes I have had training, proper training and I would never take a life unless it is the only option.

I think you are an idiot for believing the better alternative is to give them no way of defending themselves so they can just sit there and die like good defenseless ducks. I'll take the chance that a trained person can shoot an attacker over not being able to do anything at all.

[Cire]

why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?

[MixBerryCrunch]

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

you cannot be serious with this gun toting teachers thing.

Yes, I am. Some of you seem to think that just because they are teachers that they are incapable of doing what millions of police officers and military members do. Anyone can be trained to use a gun to defend themselves and others.

I don't even...

I could say the same.

[steve dave]

why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?

I cannot believe this isn't already a thing

[Institutional Control]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

[steve dave]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

yes, obviously. fund them with gun tax money as well.

[8manpick]

why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?

I cannot believe this isn't already a thing

You know what I needed to do to own a gun? Win a raffle. That is it.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I think there should be as well.  But unless a school could afford multiple police officers, then the children will still be largely unprotected. All I care about is the most protection for the kids in these schools...And for everyone who thinks it is a stupid idea because teachers could go insane and start killing kids, step back and think for a second. If they wanted to do that they could get a gun on their own and do it anyway, regardless of being armed by the school.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I thought just about all schools already had them. My high school got one after Columbine and that was just some podunk Kansas town.

["storm"nut]

why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?

Not a terrible idea.

and if a person becomes unable to handle the responsibility to handle a firearm, take away their license.

This license would be required to ammunition ammunition as well. Also I bet with todays tech would could start serial numbering shell casings and maybe even bullets themselves and with the license requirements you could trace bullets back to the owners, not just the guns.

[puniraptor]

Imma start sketching up an autonomous school defense robot.

[steve dave]

why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?

I cannot believe this isn't already a thing

You know what I needed to do to own a gun? Win a raffle. That is it.

like, every year you have to show up at the police station or whatever and take your gun test. you also have to have all of your guns with you for your yearly registration and tax payment for each gun. if you are ever caught with a non-registered gun you lose your gun license and all of your guns are confiscated. guns cannot be sold by private parties. all transactions have to go through a registered and licensed gun dealer. all assault weapons, large capacity guns, etc. are illegal and confiscated through some sort of amnesty thing like was mentioned above. if you are caught with one you lose your gun license for life and all other guns are confiscated. the gun tax money funds mental health, security measures, etc. if a gun registered to you is used in any crime or accidental shooting you are fined and lose your gun owning license.

["storm"nut]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

["storm"nut]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I think there should be as well.  But unless a school could afford multiple police officers, then the children will still be largely unprotected. All I care about is the most protection for the kids in these schools...And for everyone who thinks it is a stupid idea because teachers could go insane and start killing kids, step back and think for a second. If they wanted to do that they could get a gun on their own and do it anyway, regardless of being armed by the school.

Homeschooling or internet classrooms would be better options than arming teachers.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I think there should be as well.  But unless a school could afford multiple police officers, then the children will still be largely unprotected. All I care about is the most protection for the kids in these schools...And for everyone who thinks it is a stupid idea because teachers could go insane and start killing kids, step back and think for a second. If they wanted to do that they could get a gun on their own and do it anyway, regardless of being armed by the school.

I think it's a stupid idea because we already have a hard time getting qualified people to want to be teachers in this country. Believe it or not, but having the responsibility of carrying an armed gun at work is a turn off for most people. There is also the aspect of having kids growing up in a school system that is full of guns. At some point, the methods of prevention are just not worth the miniscule risk they alleviate. I would rather start a second Civil War taking the guns out of Joe Bob and Cletus' dead hands than force kids into that kind of environment.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Imma start sketching up an autonomous school defense robot.

I honestly think that's what's going to end up happening eventually. Not necessarily a robot, but some sort of defense technology for school attacks. Maybe some sort of alarm, which if activated could set off some sort of completely disorientating noises, lights etc...anything at all that could potentially slow down or stop an attacker, and give the students time to get to safety or hide.

["storm"nut]

Imma start sketching up an autonomous school defense robot.

Did you not watch Robocop. That is a bad idea.

[nicname]

Another important thing that needs to be addressed is we need laws and severe punishment for existing sets of laws that hold registered owners of guns responsible if there firearms are used in a crime or involved in a shooting incident (kid shooting himself with a loaded, unlocked gun for instance). Owning a firearm should not be a lackadaisical thing. It should be a very serious and important responsibility.

Yeah man, that is where I'm at.

I disagree with many of you on people's right to bear arms (of any kind), but agree that heavy sanctions should be in place for violators.

At 18 people are allowed to register for gun ownership, concealed carry, open carry, etc.   
They have to get training, background check, etc.
Any history of violence or aggression towards other = no guns
If they use guns for any unsavory purposes = heavy penalties and incarceration an no guns upon release

I would also do away with no gun zones.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I think there should be as well.  But unless a school could afford multiple police officers, then the children will still be largely unprotected. All I care about is the most protection for the kids in these schools...And for everyone who thinks it is a stupid idea because teachers could go insane and start killing kids, step back and think for a second. If they wanted to do that they could get a gun on their own and do it anyway, regardless of being armed by the school.

Homeschooling or internet classrooms would be better options than arming teachers.

I agree.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I think there should be as well.  But unless a school could afford multiple police officers, then the children will still be largely unprotected. All I care about is the most protection for the kids in these schools...And for everyone who thinks it is a stupid idea because teachers could go insane and start killing kids, step back and think for a second. If they wanted to do that they could get a gun on their own and do it anyway, regardless of being armed by the school.

I think it's a stupid idea because we already have a hard time getting qualified people to want to be teachers in this country. Believe it or not, but having the responsibility of carrying an armed gun at work is a turn off for most people. There is also the aspect of having kids growing up in a school system that is full of guns. At some point, the methods of prevention are just not worth the miniscule risk they alleviate. I would rather start a second Civil War taking the guns out of Joe Bob and Cletus' dead hands than force kids into that kind of environment.

That's why you only take volunteers, and then evaluate them and train them.  I'm certain there would be a small handful of teachers at every school that would be up to the task.

[Bloodfart]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I thought just about all schools already had them. My high school got one after Columbine and that was just some podunk Kansas town.

The high school I went to has random drug/firearms searches of the parking lot by a canine unit.  The first time several kids  got warnings for having shotguns/rifles in their vehicles plus one pothead was charged.  I have not heard of any instances after that.  The school very small town also.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.