Another school shooting

[nicname]

The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

[steve dave]

should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

We could also use some of the money and set it aside for a fund to help victims of gun violence?

[MixBerryCrunch]

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

[MixBerryCrunch]

should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

Good ideas there.

[Institutional Control]

should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

We could also use some of the money and set it aside for a fund to help victims of gun violence?

And treat mental illness.

[steve dave]

should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

We could also use some of the money and set it aside for a fund to help victims of gun violence?

And treat mental illness.

yes

[Cire]

should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

I would be for that, but like every thing else that is ear marked for schools it would get siphoned away to something else.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

What sane person would want to be the one to go tell Billy Bob in Arkansas that he has to give up his guns?? There will be blood, oh there will be blood

[Cire]

The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

What sane person would want to be the one to go tell Billy Bob in Arkansas that he has to give up his guns?? There will be blood, oh there will be blood

we could get rid of a lot of psycho's under that scenario.

[Institutional Control]

should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

All guns not registered, destroyed. All guns not current on taxes confiscated and held until taxes and a fine are paid. If if not paid in 30 days, destroyed.

["storm"nut]

should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

a sin tax on guns to help fund things to get gun out of the bad people is a good idea. A yearly tax would encourage too many people to buy black market guns. Existing guns should see a voluntary registration and ban the sales of guns that are not registered to owner in national database. Ban sales between two parties that are not licensed, regulated gun dealers. Basically, unless a firearm can be traced and verified to a owner it can not be sold ever.

["storm"nut]

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

[8manpick]

The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

I'm not in favor of doing this.  But its simple really, if you suspend people's rights against unlawful searches, etc (lol, Patriot Act).  Have police / military go door to door picking up guns.  Punish those found to be hiding guns in an attempt to keep them.  We have lots of military personnel not doing anything useful, might as well have them do this.

[CNS]

UPDATE!!!!!

Just received an email from my kids' school.  They are installing a new entry control system over Xmas break that will require all ppl to be reviewed before being allowed in the building.

Also, Still sticking with the idea that part of what is needed should be a psych review prior to buying a gun and a psych review yearly as long as you continue to own a gun. 

[puniraptor]

The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

I'm not in favor of doing this.  But its simple really, if you suspend people's rights against unlawful searches, etc (lol, Patriot Act).  Have police / military go door to door picking up guns.  Punish those found to be hiding guns in an attempt to keep them.  We have lots of military personnel not doing anything useful, might as well have them do this.

Have an amnesty buy back period after which any guns are in violation. I wouldn't go looking for people's guns but if they are found during other activities they would be confiscated and prosecuted/fined. 

What's a few billion dollars these days anyway.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

[puniraptor]

UPDATE!!!!!

Just received an email from my kids' school.  They are installing a new entry control system over Xmas break that will require all ppl to be reviewed before being allowed in the building.

Also, Still sticking with the idea that part of what is needed should be a psych review prior to buying a gun and a psych review yearly as long as you continue to own a gun.

Is it also bulletproof? Apparently this guy blasted through the locked entryway.

[nicname]

The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

I'm not in favor of doing this.  But its simple really, if you suspend people's rights against unlawful searches, etc (lol, Patriot Act).  Have police / military go door to door picking up guns.  Punish those found to be hiding guns in an attempt to keep them.  We have lots of military personnel not doing anything useful, might as well have them do this.

I'm glad you're not in favor of it, because it would end badly.

[steve dave]

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

you cannot be serious with this gun toting teachers thing.

[CNS]

UPDATE!!!!!

Just received an email from my kids' school.  They are installing a new entry control system over Xmas break that will require all ppl to be reviewed before being allowed in the building.

Also, Still sticking with the idea that part of what is needed should be a psych review prior to buying a gun and a psych review yearly as long as you continue to own a gun.

Is it also bulletproof? Apparently this guy blasted through the locked entryway.

Yeah, I don't know.  Email doesn't state one way or the other.  I doubt it though.  Ours is like most schools.  Multiple entries with floor to celing(or at least door height) glass as well as a lot of similar sized windows on a lot of the class rooms along the exterior walls as well as the cafeteria.  The investment to make that change would be huge.

Still better than an open swinging door, though.

[nicname]

The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen

such a bullshit talking point

I think it is possible that a ban on "assault weapons" ie. semi-auto and automatic guns, and guns with high capacity clips, that included a grandfathering clause for current legal gun owners could probably reduce the number of these types of weapons over time.  It would take awhile, but would probably be effective.  An actual immediate ban including confiscation of already owned firearms would not be feasible and would likely result in increased violence and create an entire new class of "criminals" that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Why?  I agree that lots of people would hate it and resist, but I see no reason that it isn't feasible.  Unless you mean that passing the ban isn't feasible.

So how would you propose going about rounding up all of these guns without a grandfather clause?

I'm not in favor of doing this.  But its simple really, if you suspend people's rights against unlawful searches, etc (lol, Patriot Act).  Have police / military go door to door picking up guns.  Punish those found to be hiding guns in an attempt to keep them.  We have lots of military personnel not doing anything useful, might as well have them do this.

Have an amnesty buy back period after which any guns are in violation. I wouldn't go looking for people's guns but if they are found during other activities they would be confiscated and prosecuted/fined. 

What's a few billion dollars these days anyway.

This would make sense.  I don't agree with it, but it would probably be the best course of action if a ban was implemented.

[ben ji]

UPDATE!!!!!

Just received an email from my kids' school.  They are installing a new entry control system over Xmas break that will require all ppl to be reviewed before being allowed in the building.

Also, Still sticking with the idea that part of what is needed should be a psych review prior to buying a gun and a psych review yearly as long as you continue to own a gun.

Is it also bulletproof? Apparently this guy blasted through the locked entryway.

I think Sandy Hook had one of these setup and he blasted through a window.

["storm"nut]

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

and I think you are a idiot for thinking that a person watching a person shoot other people would remember to check down range for clean shots, proper trigger squeeze, and a multitude of other things taught in any gun defense course. Hell a lot of cops and well train solders have these issues. You can train for a situation all you want, but until the bullets fly you don't know jack how people behind a gun will react. And yes I have had training, proper training and I would never take a life unless it is the only option.

[Cire]

Saw a study that armed a person in a classroom when a gunman entered and it was not effective at all.  Even with trained shooters.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Guns don't kill people, psychopaths kill people. There should be mandatory testing for biological and genetic traits of psychopathy at the gun owners expense before a person can buy a gun.  There should be a certain ratio of teachers that should carry guns. And these teachers will be tested for psychopathy in the same way, but at the school districts expense. They will also have to go to firearm lessons once a month.  That is all.

Dear god, that is the last thing to do. More guns is not the answer, the only answer is fewer.

No. The answer is less guns in the hands of murderers but since no law could ever make that happen, contrary to what you naive gun banning proponents believe, I want teachers to be able to protect the children.

I want teachers to worry about getting there children to safety than worrying about trying to shot a guy with a gun while not hitting the others around him. Put the effort is find these psychos and make sure they can't have access to firearms.

If that teacher who hid her kids in the cabinets had a small handgun she could have killed that guy when he walked in.  She would have done it too; all it takes is a little training. The military takes people who have never fired a gun in their life and makes them proficient in a matter of a few CATM sessions. I agree with your second sentence.

Or she could have shot, missed and hit one of the kids in one of the cabinets, she could get shot and give the psycho another gun, she could have shot and killed the guy but damaged her self emotionally for the rest of her life leading to her eventual suicide by the very gun she used to kill the bad person. Taking a life, no mater the reason, is something not to play games with.

I can tell you have never had any training whatsoever with guns. With the proper training she would not have missed, not in that close of range.  You are grasping at straws.

you cannot be serious with this gun toting teachers thing.

Yes, I am. Some of you seem to think that just because they are teachers that they are incapable of doing what millions of police officers and military members do. Anyone can be trained to use a gun to defend themselves and others.