Another school shooting

[CNS]

Legislation should start with bigger punishment.  Like something where if someone is killed with your gun then you serve the same sentence as the person who pulled the trigger.   Maybe ppl wouldn't buy as many and have them laying around so that not just anyone can get into them.

also, shouldn't label things like assault riffles or anything.  Just limit them in such a way that no gun can hold more than 4 or 6 shots at one time. 

Also, fully agree that if you want to own a gun, you should have to get a psych exam and a follow up exam yearly to maintain a license.  i mean, my kid has to have a yearly health exam to be able to enroll and attend KS public school to prove that they don't have some medical issue that will negatively effect the other kids at school.  Let's treat guns and society like that.  Get a doc to check you out to help ensure you won't have a negative effect on the rest of society.

[michigancat]

don't condescend to me, you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Contender for the word

[Dugout DickStone]

we can absolutely legislate guns away

:smh:  guns do not = violence

If your goal is to eliminate gun violence, then fine.  What about all violence? these tragedies can be carried out with many different tools.

List the methods that some malcontent can kill 20 kids, and provide examples when it has ever happened in our nation's history.

I'm open to anything except them somehow building a bomb or stabbing.

Why create these standards of situations where you know your point doesn't work?  Why exclude relevant information just because it doesn't fit your nicely packaged argument?  It's a pretty well known fact that the last time an assault weapons ban was I acted in the US, a maniac killed nearly two hundred people with a bomb - including nearly 20 infants/ toddlers.

Now compare the number of fertilizer bombs detonated in America versus instances of nuts who shot up schools/malls/movie theaters.  Must be pretty equal, those fertilizer bombs are basically going off once a month.

[sys]

you:
we could ban cars and do away with vehicle crashes which is a bigger problem
you don't want to because you (and all of us) like cars and not guns

me:
that's a dumbfuck argument

good summary.  i extended a logical argument to which you provided an asinine response.

[HeinBallz]

More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you? 

[puniraptor]

No, he couldn't have.  There was an assault weapons ban at the time.  See where this is going?

See above, what I'm saying is the assault weapons ban only banned the manufacture of new "assault weapons". You could freely purchase and possess "pre-ban" assault weapons just as you can today.

There is a common misconception that the assault weapons ban prevented people from acquiring or owning assault weapons.

[steve dave]

More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you?

ridiculous straw man

[HeinBallz]

Legislation should start with bigger punishment.  Like something where if someone is killed with your gun then you serve the same sentence as the person who pulled the trigger.   Maybe ppl wouldn't buy as many and have them laying around so that not just anyone can get into them.

also, shouldn't label things like assault riffles or anything.  Just limit them in such a way that no gun can hold more than 4 or 6 shots at one time. 

Also, fully agree that if you want to own a gun, you should have to get a psych exam and a follow up exam yearly to maintain a license.  i mean, my kid has to have a yearly health exam to be able to enroll and attend KS public school to prove that they don't have some medical issue that will negatively effect the other kids at school.  Let's treat guns and society like that.  Get a doc to check you out to help ensure you won't have a negative effect on the rest of society.

Kind of like when adults get punished for supplying alcohol to minors.  Thank god kids don't drink anymore.

[steve dave]

you:
we could ban cars and do away with vehicle crashes which is a bigger problem
you don't want to because you (and all of us) like cars and not guns

me:
that's a dumbfuck argument

good summary.  i extended a logical argument to which you provided an asinine response.

your vehicle to gun bullshit was the only asinine part of that argument. and my response was to point out that vehicles do a lot more than kill things.

Edit: and "provide pleasure" 

[HeinBallz]

No, he couldn't have.  There was an assault weapons ban at the time.  See where this is going?

See above, what I'm saying is the assault weapons ban only banned the manufacture of new "assault weapons". You could freely purchase and possess "pre-ban" assault weapons just as you can today.

There is a common misconception that the assault weapons ban prevented people from acquiring or owning assault weapons.

I'm aware - not only that but it provided no definition of what an assault weapon was.  It listed them by name allowing manufacturers to change the name.  This is just as much of a straw man as what SD keeps accusing me of.

[Dugout DickStone]

More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you?

"I'm really pissed off at the world!  I could grab these pistols, and these 1000 rounds of hollow points that I bought at Cabelas and freak out OR  I could rent a truck, buy 1000 lbs of ammonia nitrate, build a bomb and drive to a federal courthouse in 2 weeks.  Tough call.  I'll just play COD and whack off"

[steve dave]

More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you?

"I'm really pissed off at the world!  I could grab these pistols, and these 1000 rounds of hollow points that I bought at Cabelas and freak out OR  I could rent a truck, buy 1000 lbs of ammonia nitrate, build a bomb and drive to a federal courthouse in 2 weeks.  Tough call.  I'll just play COD and whack off"

good post

[Bloodfart]

I'm willing to try a gun ban... with the option of total reversal if crap don't work out like it's supposed to.

[HeinBallz]

More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you?

"I'm really pissed off at the world!  I could grab these pistols, and these 1000 rounds of hollow points that I bought at Cabelas and freak out OR  I could rent a truck, buy 1000 lbs of ammonia nitrate, build a bomb and drive to a federal courthouse in 2 weeks.  Tough call.  I'll just play COD and whack off"

You're comparing a crime of passion to genuine crazy.   You're letting emotion dictate your response to me - its not nearly as successful as you imagine it in your head.

[sys]

my response was to point out that vehicles do a lot more than kill things.

yeah, no crap, dumbass.  1) i never suggested they were designed to kill people, or that they weren't designed to move people and things.  2).  i did mention that they are other ways to accomplish the function for which privately operated vehicles are used - that would almost certainly act to significantly reduce vehicular deaths.

[HeinBallz]

I'm willing to try a gun ban... with the option of total reversal if crap don't work out like it's supposed to.

Would you be fine with reintroducing guns once our culture of violence is "fixed" through abstinence?  For people that can handle it responsibly of course.

[CNS]

Legislation should start with bigger punishment.  Like something where if someone is killed with your gun then you serve the same sentence as the person who pulled the trigger.   Maybe ppl wouldn't buy as many and have them laying around so that not just anyone can get into them.

also, shouldn't label things like assault riffles or anything.  Just limit them in such a way that no gun can hold more than 4 or 6 shots at one time. 

Also, fully agree that if you want to own a gun, you should have to get a psych exam and a follow up exam yearly to maintain a license.  i mean, my kid has to have a yearly health exam to be able to enroll and attend KS public school to prove that they don't have some medical issue that will negatively effect the other kids at school.  Let's treat guns and society like that.  Get a doc to check you out to help ensure you won't have a negative effect on the rest of society.

Kind of like when adults get punished for supplying alcohol to minors.  Thank god kids don't drink anymore.

Only addressed one of the three.  also, there is a big diff between huge fines for your keg deposit and for doing 5-10 in prison.

[steve dave]

I'm willing to try a gun ban... with the option of total reversal if crap don't work out like it's supposed to.

Would you be fine with reintroducing guns once our culture of violence is "fixed" through abstinence?  For people that can handle it responsibly of course.

I'm fine with that. if we can take all guns away and then slowly add them back with super strict controls to people who have to show where they are on probably a yearly basis we will be great.

[Dugout DickStone]

More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you?

"I'm really pissed off at the world!  I could grab these pistols, and these 1000 rounds of hollow points that I bought at Cabelas and freak out OR  I could rent a truck, buy 1000 lbs of ammonia nitrate, build a bomb and drive to a federal courthouse in 2 weeks.  Tough call.  I'll just play COD and whack off"

You're comparing a crime of passion to genuine crazy.   You're letting emotion dictate your response to me - its not nearly as successful as you imagine it in your head.

Crime of passion?  Holy fuvk

[Bloodfart]

I would miss hunting upland game birds though.  #killinganimals 

[puniraptor]

I would miss hunting upland game birds though.  #killinganimals 

Slingshot.

[HeinBallz]

More criteria for me to follow...  What's your problem with focusing more on mental illness than guns?  Hit a little too close to home for you?

"I'm really pissed off at the world!  I could grab these pistols, and these 1000 rounds of hollow points that I bought at Cabelas and freak out OR  I could rent a truck, buy 1000 lbs of ammonia nitrate, build a bomb and drive to a federal courthouse in 2 weeks.  Tough call.  I'll just play COD and whack off"

You're comparing a crime of passion to genuine crazy.   You're letting emotion dictate your response to me - its not nearly as successful as you imagine it in your head.

Crime of passion?  Holy fuvk

Yeah sorry ...  Didn't read it that closely.  Oops.  I do think the majority of people here are reacting through emotion though.  I'm trying really hard not to myself.

[steve dave]

my response was to point out that vehicles do a lot more than kill things.

yeah, no crap, dumbass.  1) i never suggested they were designed to kill people, or that they weren't designed to move people and things.  2).  i did mention that they are other ways to accomplish the function for which privately operated vehicles are used - that would almost certainly act to significantly reduce vehicular deaths.

and nowhere did I say that the vehicle idea was a bad one. guns are a completely different thing than cars. I think safe public trans. is great and should be almost forced in most cases. It's also a completely separate argument (along with almost every other deflecting rough ridin' argument people keep bringing up). tons of crap kills people. we should react and look to solve all of them. this isn't a "what kills people that we can do away with" argument. at some point reacting to things that consistently kill people is ok and productive. and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you know that (< condescending Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!))

[Bloodfart]

I would miss hunting upland game birds though.  #killinganimals 

Slingshot.

That would take some skill bro.  I better start practicing, maybe I could make something that uses compressed air.  Yeah like a beebee gun on steriods.

[Dugout DickStone]

The dude couldn't have cleaned out that kindergarten class without his mom's semi auto pistols.  Fact