Another school shooting

[steve dave]

Need to start cleaning up that egg

Really tough egg to clean up.  It's down in that carpet and it stinks.

We're either going to have to clean it up or move then, Can't live in filth.

[Bloodfart]

I blame over population.  Human life has less value.

[hemmy]

I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.

This guy left his rifle in his car, what exactly would an assault rifle ban done to prevent this?

["storm"nut]

BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

No you can't. Not legally any way. There are background checks and waiting periods. IMO theses are not enough. We have to do a better job of making sure guns are not getting in the hands of nut jobs like this guy. Better education along with better methods of checking if a person should have a gun. Banning all guns is just stupid but some guns should not be in the hands of private citizens. Never been a fan of handguns because you are not going to go hunting with one. Not say ban them all but there should be some addition restrictions an clip size and calibre. Of course full autos and assault rifles got to go, as well as kits to convert semis to full and into assault style guns. Even semi auto rifles should have more restrictions on clip size. Be reasonable gun nuts, you don't need more than 6 bullets in your gun to kill a deer. If you do you should not be rough ridin' hunting. Now if you are people that want to ban all guns for all, you are part of the problem as well. People like this are the primary reasons reasonable regulation is resisted. The fear of losing guns altogether is why gun nuts and people like my self that use guns for recreational use fear regulations.

[steve dave]

BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

No you can't. Not legally any way. There are background checks and waiting periods. IMO theses are not enough. We have to do a better job of making sure guns are not getting in the hands of nut jobs like this guy. Better education along with better methods of checking if a person should have a gun. Banning all guns is just stupid but some guns should not be in the hands of private citizens. Never been a fan of handguns because you are not going to go hunting with one. Not say ban them all but there should be some addition restrictions an clip size and calibre. Of course full autos and assault rifles got to go, as well as kits to convert semis to full and into assault style guns. Even semi auto rifles should have more restrictions on clip size. Be reasonable gun nuts, you don't need more than 6 bullets in your gun to kill a deer. If you do you should not be rough ridin' hunting. Now if you are people that want to ban all guns for all, you are part of the problem as well. People like this are the primary reasons reasonable regulation is resisted. The fear of losing guns altogether is why gun nuts and people like my self that use guns for recreational use fear regulations.

bullshit, the only thing that would take more than cash is a handgun and that would only take 2 days (max) and would require only a non-felony background check

NE

Gun bans: None.

Waiting periods for gun purchases: None.

License or permit required to purchase guns: A permit is required to purchase handguns in Nebraska. Application for a permit is made to the sheriff or police chief in the purchaser’s hometown. The permit is issued within two days and is valid for three years. There are no restrictions on how many handguns can be purchased with a permit.

["storm"nut]

BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

No you can't. Not legally any way. There are background checks and waiting periods. IMO theses are not enough. We have to do a better job of making sure guns are not getting in the hands of nut jobs like this guy. Better education along with better methods of checking if a person should have a gun. Banning all guns is just stupid but some guns should not be in the hands of private citizens. Never been a fan of handguns because you are not going to go hunting with one. Not say ban them all but there should be some addition restrictions an clip size and calibre. Of course full autos and assault rifles got to go, as well as kits to convert semis to full and into assault style guns. Even semi auto rifles should have more restrictions on clip size. Be reasonable gun nuts, you don't need more than 6 bullets in your gun to kill a deer. If you do you should not be rough ridin' hunting. Now if you are people that want to ban all guns for all, you are part of the problem as well. People like this are the primary reasons reasonable regulation is resisted. The fear of losing guns altogether is why gun nuts and people like my self that use guns for recreational use fear regulations.

bullshit, the only thing that would take more than cash is a handgun and that would only take 2 days (max) and would require only a non-felony background check

NE

Gun bans: None.

Waiting periods for gun purchases: None.

License or permit required to purchase guns: A permit is required to purchase handguns in Nebraska. Application for a permit is made to the sheriff or police chief in the purchaser’s hometown. The permit is issued within two days and is valid for three years. There are no restrictions on how many handguns can be purchased with a permit.

Guess you are right. Need to look things up before I type. There should some kind of federal waiting period of at least 10 days. Again my bad Steve.

[sys]

i'm far more articulate and intelligent than heinz and storm, yet all the libtards argue with them instead of me.

[Barry McCockner]

BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

You can't buy a gun from a dealer in that manner.  There is paperwork to fill out and a call to the government to make.  Many states have added further restrictions in recent years as well.

My personal view is that although I am not completely opposed to increased restrictions on gun purchases, I'm not convinced an incident like today's would be affected by it.  This was clearly a calculated, premeditated act by someone determined to kill a lot of people.  That type of person will find a way to get a gun, legally or not. 

That said, I honestly don't see a need for the proliferation of AR type weapons and I also don't have a problem with requiring the same checks that are used when purchasing guns from a dealer to be applied to personal transfers (other than the fact that it is impossible to enforce).  Myself, I hunt, and as a result I own several guns.  None of those are semi auto, none of them are assault style weapons.  They simply aren't best suited for the job.  A bolt action rifle is more reliable and more accurate every time.  I do have a Glock (semi auto) purely for self defense purposes.  If someone is going to try to enter my house when I'm there, I'm not planning on running to the gun safe, entering the combination, and then trying to gun them down at close quarters with a high power rifle with a 28" barrel.

If people feel the need to have AR style weapons and the like (which although you can use them for hunting aren't intended for that purpose), treat them the same way they treat machine guns and silencers.  You can own them, you just have to get a class 3 license.  I can't think of an incident of someone being gunned down with a M60.

[star seed 7]

BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

No you can't. Not legally any way. There are background checks and waiting periods. IMO theses are not enough. We have to do a better job of making sure guns are not getting in the hands of nut jobs like this guy. Better education along with better methods of checking if a person should have a gun. Banning all guns is just stupid but some guns should not be in the hands of private citizens. Never been a fan of handguns because you are not going to go hunting with one. Not say ban them all but there should be some addition restrictions an clip size and calibre. Of course full autos and assault rifles got to go, as well as kits to convert semis to full and into assault style guns. Even semi auto rifles should have more restrictions on clip size. Be reasonable gun nuts, you don't need more than 6 bullets in your gun to kill a deer. If you do you should not be rough ridin' hunting. Now if you are people that want to ban all guns for all, you are part of the problem as well. People like this are the primary reasons reasonable regulation is resisted. The fear of losing guns altogether is why gun nuts and people like my self that use guns for recreational use fear regulations.

bullshit, the only thing that would take more than cash is a handgun and that would only take 2 days (max) and would require only a non-felony background check

NE

Gun bans: None.

Waiting periods for gun purchases: None.

License or permit required to purchase guns: A permit is required to purchase handguns in Nebraska. Application for a permit is made to the sheriff or police chief in the purchaser’s hometown. The permit is issued within two days and is valid for three years. There are no restrictions on how many handguns can be purchased with a permit.

Guess you are right. Need to look things up before I type. There should some kind of federal waiting period of at least 10 days. Again my bad Steve.

what if i want to go shoot some clay frisbee's RIGHT NOW.

i'm not going to let MY rights go away!

[steve dave]

i'm far more articulate and intelligent than heinz and storm, yet all the libtards argue with them instead of me.

every little deadly incident in the western world as if it held some importance

don't say ridiculous bullshit like this and I'll take you seriously

["storm"nut]

Yea that is kind of pathetic, but at least they have to go to law enforcement.

["storm"nut]

BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

No you can't. Not legally any way. There are background checks and waiting periods. IMO theses are not enough. We have to do a better job of making sure guns are not getting in the hands of nut jobs like this guy. Better education along with better methods of checking if a person should have a gun. Banning all guns is just stupid but some guns should not be in the hands of private citizens. Never been a fan of handguns because you are not going to go hunting with one. Not say ban them all but there should be some addition restrictions an clip size and calibre. Of course full autos and assault rifles got to go, as well as kits to convert semis to full and into assault style guns. Even semi auto rifles should have more restrictions on clip size. Be reasonable gun nuts, you don't need more than 6 bullets in your gun to kill a deer. If you do you should not be rough ridin' hunting. Now if you are people that want to ban all guns for all, you are part of the problem as well. People like this are the primary reasons reasonable regulation is resisted. The fear of losing guns altogether is why gun nuts and people like my self that use guns for recreational use fear regulations.

bullshit, the only thing that would take more than cash is a handgun and that would only take 2 days (max) and would require only a non-felony background check

NE

Gun bans: None.

Waiting periods for gun purchases: None.

License or permit required to purchase guns: A permit is required to purchase handguns in Nebraska. Application for a permit is made to the sheriff or police chief in the purchaser’s hometown. The permit is issued within two days and is valid for three years. There are no restrictions on how many handguns can be purchased with a permit.

Guess you are right. Need to look things up before I type. There should some kind of federal waiting period of at least 10 days. Again my bad Steve.

what if i want to go shoot some clay frisbee's RIGHT NOW.

i'm not going to let MY rights go away!

Should have thought ahead.

[Dugout DickStone]

I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.

This guy left his rifle in his car, what exactly would an assault rifle ban done to prevent this?

How about a 30 round magazine pistol ban?

[wetwillie]

I own guns, I would give them up if it meant no more children would die. I just don't understand how this would work.  Do we just stop allowing them to be made and sold and leave the current supply in place? like pretend for a second the country all came together and said no more guns, what's the realistic first step?

[sys]

And also, it is extremely difficult for legal citizens in Mexico to own firearms.

lol, no it isn't.  maybe you meant for citizens to legally own firearms.  which also isn't true.

[Barry McCockner]

...I really don't have a problem with a few day waiting period either.  Almost every time I've bought a gun they've had to order it, and it has taken at 3 or 4 days to get it, if it was even in stock.  A few day waiting period isn't going to make much difference.

[steve dave]

I own guns, I would give them up if it meant no more children would die. I just don't understand how this would work.  Do we just stop allowing them to be made and sold and leave the current supply in place? like pretend for a second the country all came together and said no more guns, what's the realistic first step?

well, when they made heroin illegal when they realized it was killing people what did they do with the heroin that was already out there? or anything else they made illegal that kills people. do that imo. if the junkies could blow their load on what they had, fine. no more bullets or making of bullets in house though.

[EMAWmeister]

We have to figure out a way so some disturbed idiot who has a bad day and decides "eff it" cannot massacre 20 little kids by just squeezing a trigger.  We simply have to.  I don't want your goddam guns, I have hunting guns myself but eff, this guy just got mad and had access to killing machines that allowed him to freak out and kill 20 little kids with so little effort or planning.

Read again, 20 little kids watched some psycho train a pistol on them and end their lives.  That is mumped.  That is mumped in such a huge way that it cannot be overstated.

He had a bad day, among many I am sure he had, and had access to something that allowed him to ruin thousands of lives.  If it means Jimmy pistol lover in Oklahoma can't own 35 Glocks, I'm happy to hurt his feelings.

Move to pit

Only read the bold section then stopped reading because I agree completely.   I have to wonder if the same things that are causing unwanted pregnancies to be aborted, countless suicides caused by depression, domestic disputes/violence, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sex abuse, various other addictions and whatever disgusting thing within our society are all created by the same things that cause such a horrendous event that occurred today.   

A total paradigm shift is needed.  Emphasis needs to be put on creating healthy environments for kids to grow up in so that these things don't happen. At the very least people taking individual responsibility to have a positive impact on single parent families/ families in poverty/etc.   It's clear there is a sickness in our society that leads people down these horrible paths and the only thing I can think to fix any of these tragedies to reach out to our own kids - our neighbors kids - our nieces & nephews and allow them to feel what it's like to be loved unconditionally.  Allow them to have a positive influence in their life - someone to go to when they're troubled or in need of help to sort out their depression, anxiety, & anger.  We can't turn our back on anyone and we need to eliminate the hypocrisy in our society.  We can't teach our kids that hitting is wrong and simultaneously support violence in any other form.

Not that I disagree, but how does this happen? Particularly inner city. You can't legislate shitty parenting away.

[gatoveintisiete]

BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

guns have been around a long time, if gun murder rate is going up, something else must be causing it

[Barry McCockner]

I own guns, I would give them up if it meant no more children would die. I just don't understand how this would work.  Do we just stop allowing them to be made and sold and leave the current supply in place? like pretend for a second the country all came together and said no more guns, what's the realistic first step?

well, when they made heroin illegal when they realized it was killing people what did they do with the heroin that was already out there? or anything else they made illegal that kills people. do that imo. if the junkies could blow their load on what they had, fine. no more bullets or making of bullets in house though.

It's a little more complicated to grow a field of poppies and produce heroin than it is to melt lead and pour it into a mold.

[Cartierfor3]

I appreciate all of you, and your desire to find ways to prevent future tragedies.  What a horrible day.  I still feel bad.  I can't even imagine. 

[steve dave]

I own guns, I would give them up if it meant no more children would die. I just don't understand how this would work.  Do we just stop allowing them to be made and sold and leave the current supply in place? like pretend for a second the country all came together and said no more guns, what's the realistic first step?

well, when they made heroin illegal when they realized it was killing people what did they do with the heroin that was already out there? or anything else they made illegal that kills people. do that imo. if the junkies could blow their load on what they had, fine. no more bullets or making of bullets in house though.

It's a little more complicated to grow a field of poppies and produce heroin than it is to melt lead and pour it into a mold.

well, make both illegal. I guess I don't get your point here.

[Dugout DickStone]

No, so the option is legislating methods of destroying lives away.  Right?

[sys]

don't say ridiculous bullshit like this and I'll take you seriously

20ish people in a world of 7 billion.  there were, not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of tragedies that occurred in the world today that were just as devastating, just as random, just as horrific to those impacted.  yet we masturbate to our own little american tragedy as if it holds some special place of honor.  it does not.

[Barry McCockner]

BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

guns have been around a long time, if gun murder rate is going up, something else must be causing it

It CAN'T be society.  Whatever you do don't suggest that the degradation of the family unit or the proliferation of violence in the entertainment available to our children might have something to do with it.