Death to the BCS - What a True Playoff Would Look Like

[The_Wippuh]

protip:  even with a playoff, there will be human voters who will be perceived as "screwing" another team.

Which would you rather have?  Arguments over the 4th and 5th at large teams, while ALL of the conference champs get in, or discussions on who is better Big 10, Pac 10, Big 12, Big East, Notre Dame or SEC?  With a 4 team playoff, the latter seems way worse to me.

'Cause if Bama, ND, Oregon, KSU and OSU all go undefeated, guess who is getting left out?

[OK_Cat]

the argument against the bcs is full of a bunch of hypotheticals that have never happened.

[The_Wippuh]

But they would happen eventually, if we didn't move to a playoff.  The powers that be for the BCS are basically admitting that (and the fact they'll make a ton more money) by going to the playoff.

[OK_Cat]

But they would happen eventually, if we didn't move to a playoff.  The powers that be for the BCS are basically admitting that (and the fact they'll make a ton more money) by going to the playoff.

no, they won't.  no, they aren't.

[Shacks]

the argument against the bcs is full of a bunch of hypotheticals that have never happened.

So undefeated Auburn and Utah getting left out in 2004 never happened?

[OK_Cat]

the argument against the bcs is full of a bunch of hypotheticals that have never happened.

So undefeated Auburn and Utah getting left out in 2004 never happened?

find their schedules and list results vs. the teams that got in.

[Shacks]

the argument against the bcs is full of a bunch of hypotheticals that have never happened.

So undefeated Auburn and Utah getting left out in 2004 never happened?

find their schedules and list results vs. the teams that got in.

So a subjective method such as SOS is the way to determine a champion?  That's better than letting the teams actually play each other?

[OK_Cat]

the argument against the bcs is full of a bunch of hypotheticals that have never happened.

So undefeated Auburn and Utah getting left out in 2004 never happened?

find their schedules and list results vs. the teams that got in.

So a subjective method such as SOS is the way to determine a champion?  That's better than letting the teams actually play each other?

what if there was a 5th undefeated team in a 4 team playoff

what if there was a 13th undefeated team in a 12 team playoff

 

[nicname]

I've made a similar bracket each of the last 8 or 9 years. 

[Shacks]

the argument against the bcs is full of a bunch of hypotheticals that have never happened.

So undefeated Auburn and Utah getting left out in 2004 never happened?

find their schedules and list results vs. the teams that got in.

So a subjective method such as SOS is the way to determine a champion?  That's better than letting the teams actually play each other?

what if there was a 5th undefeated team in a 4 team playoff

what if there was a 13th undefeated team in a 12 team playoff

 

I'd say one team getting screwed is a lot more acceptable than 3 or 11 teams getting screwed.  If there is a playoff where every conference champion is guaranteed a bid while at-large teams fill out the remainder of the field, everyone controls their own destiny.

[OK_Cat]

everyone "control their own destiny" in the bcs

get left out?  win your games.

won your game?  schedule better.

 

[nicname]

It appears I should have written a book about it.

[Shacks]

everyone "control their own destiny" in the bcs

get left out?  win your games.

won your game?  schedule better.

 

No, if everybody controlled their own destiny it would be impossible for an undefeated team to be denied a shot at the title.  There are 120 teams, it is impossible for the BCS to get it right every year by subjectively selecting two out of 120 teams.  It works out some years like in 2005 when Texas and USC were clearly heads and shoulders above everyone else, but more often than not the BCS subjectively decides who is better...instead of letting the teams settle it.

[OK_Cat]

it has worked correctly every year.

[sonofdaxjones]

I am for a playoff because this absurd break turns the best regular season in college sports, into the worst post season in college sports. 

[RightMeow]

What if Ohio St didn't get Tresel'd this year?  They would be playing Notre Dame for the title and the entire SEC, Big 12, and Pac 12 would   

Ohio St would've killed NUbb worse than Wisky did in the champ game.

Any sort of playoff would be great.  I would prefer an 8 team playoff with the top 8 teams from the BCS standings and the BCS standings should be calculated using transparent computer systems, not ones that are secretive and copyrighted or patented.  Also, the AP and Coaches polls are a joke. 

Anyone outside of the top 8 is unlikely to win 3 straight games vs top level teams, so I think 16 teams and 4 rounds is too much.
 

[g2brg]

If the BCS is so great, we should stop March Madness and have 2 BB teams picked by computer play for the trophy.

Hey, why even play just simulate the game.  I think that's what OKCat would like. 

A 16 or 32 FB team tourney would be the best sporting event of the year.  And I can live with, "the best team may not win". 

Because they settled it on the field!     

[OK_Cat]

If the BCS is so great, we should stop March Madness and have 2 BB teams picked by computer play for the trophy.

Hey, why even play just simulate the game.  I think that's what OKCat would like. 

A 16 or 32 FB team tourney would be the best sporting event of the year.  And I can live with, "the best team may not win". 

Because they settled it on the field!     

apples and oranges.

name 1 bcs-era champion that was undeserving.

[chum1]

I'm good with college football being a complete clusterfuck and think anyone who isn't is a dumbass.

[OK_Cat]

I'm good with college football being a complete clusterfuck and think anyone who isn't is a dumbass.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

of the dozens of people who follow the D2 playoff system, do any of them complain of it being "rigged" or set up to favor the schools with 2 or fewer directions in the name?  Not sure how they feel about they playoff system they have and have had for a number of years now?

[g2brg]

If the BCS is so great, we should stop March Madness and have 2 BB teams picked by computer play for the trophy.

Hey, why even play just simulate the game.  I think that's what OKCat would like. 

A 16 or 32 FB team tourney would be the best sporting event of the year.  And I can live with, "the best team may not win". 

Because they settled it on the field!     

apples and oranges.

name 1 bcs-era champion that was undeserving.

From Wikipedia


2003–04 season
 
See also: 2003–04 NCAA football bowl games
 
These BCS bowl games were played following the 2003 regular season:
 Thursday, January 1, 2004 – Rose Bowl Game presented by Citi:[23] No. 3 Southern California (11–1, Pac-10 champion) 28, No. 4 Michigan (10–2, Big Ten champion) 14
 Thursday, January 1, 2004 – FedEx Orange Bowl: No. 9 Miami (10–2, Big East champion) 16, No. 7 Florida State (10–2, ACC champion) 14
 Friday, January 2, 2004 – Tostitos Fiesta Bowl: No. 5 Ohio State (10–2, At-large) 35, No. 10 Kansas State (11–3, Big 12 champion) 28
 Sunday, January 4, 2004 – Nokia Sugar Bowl (National Championship) No. 2 LSU (12–1, BCS No. 2, SEC champion) 21, No. 1 Oklahoma (12–1, BCS No. 1, Automatic) 14‡
 
‡ Though winning the BCS National Championship, the LSU Tigers were not consensus national champions. The USC Trojans ended the regular season ranked No. 3 in the final BCS standings, with three Coaches Poll voting coaches defecting from their agreement with the BCS to vote its designated game winner as champion, instead voting for USC.[24] USC was voted No. 1 in the Associated Press poll, and the AP awarded USC their National Championship. So, the 2003 Season ended with split champions which is what the BCS was organized to prevent. Because of this split championship, significant changes were made to the BCS formula for the 2004–05 season.

[Domino]

Not reading through this current back and forth, but a 16 team playoff is a terrible idea. Arkansas State, Tulsa, Northern Illinois, Boise State, and LA Tech have no business being involved in a tournament to determine the National Champion. 8 team playoff at the most.

Are we also forgetting that football is a dangerous sport, and that a 16 team playoff extends the season for the 1st and 2nd place teams by 33%? All the while the NCAA has to pretend that the athletes they exploit for tens and tens of millions are actually students and their education should come first?

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I am for a playoff because this absurd break turns the best regular season in college sports, into the worst post season in college sports.

Yeah, there should be 8 first found games this weekend.

[Shacks]

Not reading through this current back and forth, but a 16 team playoff is a terrible idea. Arkansas State, Tulsa, Northern Illinois, Boise State, and LA Tech have no business being involved in a tournament to determine the National Champion. 8 team playoff at the most.

Are we also forgetting that football is a dangerous sport, and that a 16 team playoff extends the season for the 1st and 2nd place teams by 33%? All the while the NCAA has to pretend that the athletes they exploit for tens and tens of millions are actually students and their education should come first?

High school, D1AA, DII, DIII, NAIA and NFL players all seem to handle the grind of a playoff just fine, don't see why some people argue that 1A college football players are the only group of football players whose bodies can't hold up