Landmark night for civil rights

[michigancat]

I'm really glad MiR is a Kansan. They need more people like him.

["storm"nut]

i think stormnut has a point. You can't just legislate away hate. Bigots gonna bigot.That said, I don't really care if there is a law in place for it or not.

The changes brought by civil rights movements have been overwhelmingly positive for minorities and women.  You can't immediately legislate away hate, but by protecting some groups you can certainly improve their treatment over time.

It was true in the 60's and was need because you had intrenched, irrational hate. If you asked normal, joe blow Christian if they "Hate" gays, they will truly tell you no and mean it. Back during the Civil Right days of the 60's this was just not true.

Another way to look at it is this. Has mistreatment and out right discrimination of people that are gay risen to the level of what we saw after then end of slavery? There is a very vocal minority of people out there that level hate  on people that are gay to that of people of other races but it is no were near the wide spread culturally intrenched as it was in the south.

I think if you were to ask Christian, Joe Montgomery Kansan if he would ever hire a gay person or be comfortable renting an apartment to him, you would be surprised by the number of people who say no.

See I think you would be surprise by the other way. Just because the Fred Phelps of the world have a billy club does not mean they represent your level minded christian. I don't know Joe's feelings one way or other but there are only a very small few of the Fred Phelp's in the world.

I think the Salina election results support my theory more than yours. I would be glad to look at an independent study if you can find one, though.

It does not. There is a strong anti-government movement in the state of Kansas. While some did vote to repeal it because they hate gays, some also voted for it because they believe it is not the government's business. Also there was a big misdirection on that and the one in Manhattan a few years ago, Some of the gay hatters were telling people that churches and other groups were going to have to accept gays which was simply not true.

[Rage Against the McKee]

i think stormnut has a point. You can't just legislate away hate. Bigots gonna bigot.That said, I don't really care if there is a law in place for it or not.

The changes brought by civil rights movements have been overwhelmingly positive for minorities and women.  You can't immediately legislate away hate, but by protecting some groups you can certainly improve their treatment over time.

It was true in the 60's and was need because you had intrenched, irrational hate. If you asked normal, joe blow Christian if they "Hate" gays, they will truly tell you no and mean it. Back during the Civil Right days of the 60's this was just not true.

Another way to look at it is this. Has mistreatment and out right discrimination of people that are gay risen to the level of what we saw after then end of slavery? There is a very vocal minority of people out there that level hate  on people that are gay to that of people of other races but it is no were near the wide spread culturally intrenched as it was in the south.

I think if you were to ask Christian, Joe Montgomery Kansan if he would ever hire a gay person or be comfortable renting an apartment to him, you would be surprised by the number of people who say no.

See I think you would be surprise by the other way. Just because the Fred Phelps of the world have a billy club does not mean they represent your level minded christian. I don't know Joe's feelings one way or other but there are only a very small few of the Fred Phelp's in the world.

I think the Salina election results support my theory more than yours. I would be glad to look at an independent study if you can find one, though.

It does not. There is a strong anti-government movement in the state of Kansas. While some did vote to repeal it because they hate gays, some also voted for it because they believe it is not the government's business. Also there was a big misdirection on that and the one in Manhattan a few years ago, Some of the gay hatters were telling people that churches and other groups were going to have to accept gays which was simply not true.

Why would a gay person want to join a hate group, anyway?

[MakeItRain]

Stormnut you are frighteningly ignorant.  I'm not saying this for effect, not trying to PI, I'm deadly serious.  I hope I'm being trolled.

["storm"nut]

i think stormnut has a point. You can't just legislate away hate. Bigots gonna bigot.That said, I don't really care if there is a law in place for it or not.

The changes brought by civil rights movements have been overwhelmingly positive for minorities and women.  You can't immediately legislate away hate, but by protecting some groups you can certainly improve their treatment over time.

It was true in the 60's and was need because you had intrenched, irrational hate. If you asked normal, joe blow Christian if they "Hate" gays, they will truly tell you no and mean it. Back during the Civil Right days of the 60's this was just not true.

Another way to look at it is this. Has mistreatment and out right discrimination of people that are gay risen to the level of what we saw after then end of slavery? There is a very vocal minority of people out there that level hate  on people that are gay to that of people of other races but it is no were near the wide spread culturally intrenched as it was in the south.

I think if you were to ask Christian, Joe Montgomery Kansan if he would ever hire a gay person or be comfortable renting an apartment to him, you would be surprised by the number of people who say no.

See I think you would be surprise by the other way. Just because the Fred Phelps of the world have a billy club does not mean they represent your level minded christian. I don't know Joe's feelings one way or other but there are only a very small few of the Fred Phelp's in the world.

I think the Salina election results support my theory more than yours. I would be glad to look at an independent study if you can find one, though.

It does not. There is a strong anti-government movement in the state of Kansas. While some did vote to repeal it because they hate gays, some also voted for it because they believe it is not the government's business. Also there was a big misdirection on that and the one in Manhattan a few years ago, Some of the gay hatters were telling people that churches and other groups were going to have to accept gays which was simply not true.

Why would a gay person want to join a hate group, anyway?

Now you're just being stupid.

[8manpick]

Why do Salinans (Salinians? Salinese?) want landlords to be able to kick someone out of their house because they are rough ridin' someone of the same sex?  Or a boss be able to fire a guy because he goes home to his boyfriend at night? It's rough ridin' wrong, and there should be a law against it.

[Saulbadguy]

jesus.

[MakeItRain]

Why do Salinans (Salinians? Salinese?) want landlords to be able to kick someone out of their house because they are rough ridin' someone of the same sex?  Or a boss be able to fire a guy because he goes home to his boyfriend at night? It's rough ridin' wrong, and there should be a law against it.

Aren't you reading stormnut's aka bob strawn jr?  Most of them don't have the mental capacity to think critically.

[Stevesie60]

Why do Salinans (Salinians? Salinese?) want landlords to be able to kick someone out of their house because they are rough ridin' someone of the same sex?  Or a boss be able to fire a guy because he goes home to his boyfriend at night? It's rough ridin' wrong, and there should be a law against it.

Yeah, I understand people don't want government to control them or whatever, but you are literally Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) if you don't agree with 8man's post.

[Tobias]

salina is frustratingly uneducated.. I'm trying to do my part by living in this shithole but its definitely way easier to just move to kc after college like everyone else does.

this town is completely void of any capacity for critical thought

[TheHamburglar]

On the Salina thing, the 54-46 vote was surprisingly close to me.  I wonder if it would have passed if they would have left out the part where every vendor for the City, even if they aren't based in the city, has to follow policy.  I still don't think it would have passed, but I'm curious. 

Anyone that lives there now: Did the City Manager come out and say how this portion of it was affecting the city during the 5 months it was active?

["storm"nut]

Stormnut you are frighteningly ignorant.  I'm not saying this for effect, not trying to PI, I'm deadly serious.  I hope I'm being trolled.

Here is what the simple fact of my argument. 1) I don't hate gays, end of story. 2) The government should not legislate hate out of people (it breed more hate IMO) unless it is so institutionalized that it requires it to be removed (much like the racial hatred). We are not there yet, and I hope we never will be but I am afraid that anti-discrimination laws, if not properly applied can breed and fester the very hate they were meant to stop.

["storm"nut]

Why do Salinans (Salinians? Salinese?) want landlords to be able to kick someone out of their house because they are rough ridin' someone of the same sex?  Or a boss be able to fire a guy because he goes home to his boyfriend at night? It's rough ridin' wrong, and there should be a law against it.

Aren't you reading stormnut's aka bob strawn jr?  Most of them don't have the mental capacity to think critically.

Of course it's rough ridin' wrong. Does it need to be legislated out is my one and only debate.

[MakeItRain]

Why do Salinans (Salinians? Salinese?) want landlords to be able to kick someone out of their house because they are rough ridin' someone of the same sex?  Or a boss be able to fire a guy because he goes home to his boyfriend at night? It's rough ridin' wrong, and there should be a law against it.

Aren't you reading stormnut's aka bob strawn jr?  Most of them don't have the mental capacity to think critically.

Of course it's rough ridin' wrong. Does it need to be legislated out is my one and only debate.

every other post you're spouting off about how discrimination doesn't even exist for gays, bro you're a bigot

[Bloodfart]

Why do Salinans (Salinians? Salinese?) want landlords to be able to kick someone out of their house because they are rough ridin' someone of the same sex?  Or a boss be able to fire a guy because he goes home to his boyfriend at night? It's rough ridin' wrong, and there should be a law against it.

Aren't you reading stormnut's aka bob strawn jr?  Most of them don't have the mental capacity to think critically.

Of course it's rough ridin' wrong. Does it need to be legislated out is my one and only debate.

every other post you're spouting off about how discrimination doesn't even exist for gays, bro you're a bigot

Have you personally witnessed discrimination against gays in Kansas MIR? 

[Tobias]

by all accounts you wouldn't even notice the ordinance existed while it was on the books.  can't recall city manager gage being terribly vocal, but by extension all accounts by city hall were basically "meh - people working for or in the city didnt fuss" and they wouldn't check anyways

(disclaimer: worked for city of salina for about 4 years)

[nicname]

i think stormnut has a point. You can't just legislate away hate. Bigots gonna bigot.That said, I don't really care if there is a law in place for it or not.

The changes brought by civil rights movements have been overwhelmingly positive for minorities and women.  You can't immediately legislate away hate, but by protecting some groups you can certainly improve their treatment over time.

It was true in the 60's and was need because you had intrenched, irrational hate. If you asked normal, joe blow Christian if they "Hate" gays, they will truly tell you no and mean it. Back during the Civil Right days of the 60's this was just not true.

Another way to look at it is this. Has mistreatment and out right discrimination of people that are gay risen to the level of what we saw after then end of slavery? There is a very vocal minority of people out there that level hate  on people that are gay to that of people of other races but it is no were near the wide spread culturally intrenched as it was in the south.

I think if you were to ask Christian, Joe Montgomery Kansan if he would ever hire a gay person or be comfortable renting an apartment to him, you would be surprised by the number of people who say no.

Though it is assholish and wrong imo, I think a business owner or someone renting out a house should have the right to discriminate for any reason. 

[8manpick]

i think stormnut has a point. You can't just legislate away hate. Bigots gonna bigot.That said, I don't really care if there is a law in place for it or not.

The changes brought by civil rights movements have been overwhelmingly positive for minorities and women.  You can't immediately legislate away hate, but by protecting some groups you can certainly improve their treatment over time.

It was true in the 60's and was need because you had intrenched, irrational hate. If you asked normal, joe blow Christian if they "Hate" gays, they will truly tell you no and mean it. Back during the Civil Right days of the 60's this was just not true.

Another way to look at it is this. Has mistreatment and out right discrimination of people that are gay risen to the level of what we saw after then end of slavery? There is a very vocal minority of people out there that level hate  on people that are gay to that of people of other races but it is no were near the wide spread culturally intrenched as it was in the south.

I think if you were to ask Christian, Joe Montgomery Kansan if he would ever hire a gay person or be comfortable renting an apartment to him, you would be surprised by the number of people who say no.

Though it is assholish and wrong imo, I think a business owner or someone renting out a house should have the right to discriminate for any reason. 

Yep, don't let the blacks eat in your restaurant.

[Saulbadguy]

i think stormnut has a point. You can't just legislate away hate. Bigots gonna bigot.That said, I don't really care if there is a law in place for it or not.

The changes brought by civil rights movements have been overwhelmingly positive for minorities and women.  You can't immediately legislate away hate, but by protecting some groups you can certainly improve their treatment over time.

It was true in the 60's and was need because you had intrenched, irrational hate. If you asked normal, joe blow Christian if they "Hate" gays, they will truly tell you no and mean it. Back during the Civil Right days of the 60's this was just not true.

Another way to look at it is this. Has mistreatment and out right discrimination of people that are gay risen to the level of what we saw after then end of slavery? There is a very vocal minority of people out there that level hate  on people that are gay to that of people of other races but it is no were near the wide spread culturally intrenched as it was in the south.

I think if you were to ask Christian, Joe Montgomery Kansan if he would ever hire a gay person or be comfortable renting an apartment to him, you would be surprised by the number of people who say no.

Though it is assholish and wrong imo, I think a business owner or someone renting out a house should have the right to discriminate for any reason. 

...get bent.

["storm"nut]

Why do Salinans (Salinians? Salinese?) want landlords to be able to kick someone out of their house because they are rough ridin' someone of the same sex?  Or a boss be able to fire a guy because he goes home to his boyfriend at night? It's rough ridin' wrong, and there should be a law against it.

Aren't you reading stormnut's aka bob strawn jr?  Most of them don't have the mental capacity to think critically.

Of course it's rough ridin' wrong. Does it need to be legislated out is my one and only debate.

every other post you're spouting off about how discrimination doesn't even exist for gays, bro you're a bigot

How dare you bad person, I am not a bigot, eff off. I am not denying there is a small minority of dumb asses that hate gays and discriminate against them. I don't believe it rises to level that the government has to be involved. Maybe I should not take offense to a guy behind a keyboard, most likely laugh his ass off at me because I am offended but it hurts me greatly that you would throw a word at me that should only be reserved for the worst of the worst. So eff off MIR.

[Saulbadguy]

Why do Salinans (Salinians? Salinese?) want landlords to be able to kick someone out of their house because they are rough ridin' someone of the same sex?  Or a boss be able to fire a guy because he goes home to his boyfriend at night? It's rough ridin' wrong, and there should be a law against it.

Aren't you reading stormnut's aka bob strawn jr?  Most of them don't have the mental capacity to think critically.

Of course it's rough ridin' wrong. Does it need to be legislated out is my one and only debate.

every other post you're spouting off about how discrimination doesn't even exist for gays, bro you're a bigot

How dare you bad person, I am not a bigot, eff off. I am not denying there is a small minority of dumb asses that hate gays and discriminate against them. I don't believe it rises to level that the government has to be involved. Maybe I should not take offense to a guy behind a keyboard, most likely laugh his ass off at me because I am offended but it hurts me greatly that you would throw a word at me that should only be reserved for the worst of the worst. So eff off MIR.

you're a bigot.

[nicname]

Why do Salinans (Salinians? Salinese?) want landlords to be able to kick someone out of their house because they are rough ridin' someone of the same sex?  Or a boss be able to fire a guy because he goes home to his boyfriend at night? It's rough ridin' wrong, and there should be a law against it.

Yeah, I understand people don't want government to control them or whatever, but you are literally Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) if you don't agree with 8man's post.

A lot of things are wrong.  Doesn't mean they should all be written into legislature. 

[Saulbadguy]

Why do Salinans (Salinians? Salinese?) want landlords to be able to kick someone out of their house because they are rough ridin' someone of the same sex?  Or a boss be able to fire a guy because he goes home to his boyfriend at night? It's rough ridin' wrong, and there should be a law against it.

Yeah, I understand people don't want government to control them or whatever, but you are literally Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) if you don't agree with 8man's post.

A lot of things are wrong.  Doesn't mean they should all be written into legislature. 

Name some of them.

["storm"nut]

Why do Salinans (Salinians? Salinese?) want landlords to be able to kick someone out of their house because they are rough ridin' someone of the same sex?  Or a boss be able to fire a guy because he goes home to his boyfriend at night? It's rough ridin' wrong, and there should be a law against it.

Aren't you reading stormnut's aka bob strawn jr?  Most of them don't have the mental capacity to think critically.

Of course it's rough ridin' wrong. Does it need to be legislated out is my one and only debate.

every other post you're spouting off about how discrimination doesn't even exist for gays, bro you're a bigot

How dare you bad person, I am not a bigot, eff off. I am not denying there is a small minority of dumb asses that hate gays and discriminate against them. I don't believe it rises to level that the government has to be involved. Maybe I should not take offense to a guy behind a keyboard, most likely laugh his ass off at me because I am offended but it hurts me greatly that you would throw a word at me that should only be reserved for the worst of the worst. So eff off MIR.

you're a bigot.

Sad world where Bigot means so little. Every ones a bigot then.

[Tobias]

Why do Salinans (Salinians? Salinese?) want landlords to be able to kick someone out of their house because they are rough ridin' someone of the same sex?  Or a boss be able to fire a guy because he goes home to his boyfriend at night? It's rough ridin' wrong, and there should be a law against it.

Yeah, I understand people don't want government to control them or whatever, but you are literally Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) if you don't agree with 8man's post.

A lot of things are wrong.  Doesn't mean they should all be written into legislature. 

Name some of them.

and then get them riled up enough about it to bother voting