Sean rough ridin' Snyder... Really?

[Cartierfor3]

Does anybody actually know anything about Sean and how he coaches?  Besides having an awesome special teams unit hes just kinda "there."

I umpired several baseball games where he was the coach

[TheHamburglar]

I don't know what you would expect to see out of any special teams coach, though. For the most part, special teams have been very good, and Sean deserves credit for that. It's impossible to have a great team with a bad special teams unit.

While the special teams have been solid for the most part, we've had our share of ST mistakes this season, including mental mistakes.

Who hasn't?

You're right, everyone makes ST mistakes, including this team.  Truth is the ST coach now gets more love than he would if he had a different last name and didn't coach ST for a program that had a history of ST success for a couple decades prior to him becoming ST coach. 

[michigancat]

Litmus test: How many BCS teams would hire Sean as HC right now?

This is a bad litmus test. How many BCS programs would have hired Frank Martin in 2007?

[michigancat]

I don't know what you would expect to see out of any special teams coach, though. For the most part, special teams have been very good, and Sean deserves credit for that. It's impossible to have a great team with a bad special teams unit.

While the special teams have been solid for the most part, we've had our share of ST mistakes this season, including mental mistakes.

Who hasn't?

You're right, everyone makes ST mistakes, including this team.  Truth is the ST coach now gets more love than he would if he had a different last name and didn't coach ST for a program that had a history of ST success for a couple decades prior to him becoming ST coach. 

people loved the crap out of tibesar when he was ST coach.

[Skipper44]

Does anybody actually know anything about Sean and how he coaches?  Besides having an awesome special teams unit hes just kinda "there."

I umpired several baseball games where he was the coach

Was he outgoing or verbal at all?  When he talks, does it seem like he trying to be his dad?

[steve dave]

Litmus test: How many BCS teams would hire Sean as HC right now?

This is a bad litmus test. How many BCS programs would have hired Frank Martin in 2007?

I think most would have if facing the same situation we were (GRCOAT v. No GRCOAT)

[TheHamburglar]

I don't know what you would expect to see out of any special teams coach, though. For the most part, special teams have been very good, and Sean deserves credit for that. It's impossible to have a great team with a bad special teams unit.

While the special teams have been solid for the most part, we've had our share of ST mistakes this season, including mental mistakes.

Who hasn't?

You're right, everyone makes ST mistakes, including this team.  Truth is the ST coach now gets more love than he would if he had a different last name and didn't coach ST for a program that had a history of ST success for a couple decades prior to him becoming ST coach. 

people loved the crap out of tibesar when he was ST coach.

Since you opened the can of using a single piece of data for the success/non-success of a hire (Martin example), when tibesar got promoted he was rough ridin' terrible. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't know what you would expect to see out of any special teams coach, though. For the most part, special teams have been very good, and Sean deserves credit for that. It's impossible to have a great team with a bad special teams unit.

While the special teams have been solid for the most part, we've had our share of ST mistakes this season, including mental mistakes.

Who hasn't?

You're right, everyone makes ST mistakes, including this team.  Truth is the ST coach now gets more love than he would if he had a different last name and didn't coach ST for a program that had a history of ST success for a couple decades prior to him becoming ST coach. 

people loved the crap out of tibesar when he was ST coach.

This is exactly what I was about to post.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't know what you would expect to see out of any special teams coach, though. For the most part, special teams have been very good, and Sean deserves credit for that. It's impossible to have a great team with a bad special teams unit.

While the special teams have been solid for the most part, we've had our share of ST mistakes this season, including mental mistakes.

Who hasn't?

You're right, everyone makes ST mistakes, including this team.  Truth is the ST coach now gets more love than he would if he had a different last name and didn't coach ST for a program that had a history of ST success for a couple decades prior to him becoming ST coach. 

people loved the crap out of tibesar when he was ST coach.

Since you opened the can of using a single piece of data for the success/non-success of a hire (Martin example), when tibesar got promoted he was rough ridin' terrible.

Yes. There are no sure things in coaching hires. Even Rich Rod failed horribly at Michigan. Nobody saw that coming.

[steve dave]

Rich Rod needed more time at Michigan. Firing him was a super pud move. He will kick ass at Arizona imo.

[TheHamburglar]

Edit: nevermind, somewhere in there I got michigancat and nutskicked's posts confused. 

[Shacks]

Does anybody actually know anything about Sean and how he coaches?  Besides having an awesome special teams unit hes just kinda "there."

I umpired several baseball games where he was the coach

Was he outgoing or verbal at all?  When he talks, does it seem like he trying to be his dad?

More importantly, did he scheme the crap out of the other team?

[Skipper44]

Rich Rod needed more time at Michigan. Firing him was a super pud move. He will kick ass at Arizona imo.

I agree he will kick ass at U of A but it was never going to work with those stick up their ass Michigan Men in Ann Arbor.  The fit was just too awful and it was for the best for RR's career that he got fired as soon as he did.

[steve dave]

Rich Rod needed more time at Michigan. Firing him was a super pud move. He will kick ass at Arizona imo.

I agree he will kick ass at U of A but it was never going to work with those stick up their ass Michigan Men in Ann Arbor.  The fit was just too awful and it was for the best for RR's career that he got fired as soon as he did.

He was getting ready to kick ass. He had a (Soph?) QB that was custom made for his offense getting ready to run roughshod over the shitty Big 10. It's not his fault he had to flush the shitty garbage players out of the roster for a few years.

[michigancat]

Success as a coordinator or position coach does not seem to correlate to head coach success. They are completely different jobs. Dabo Swinney was never a coordinator and he's done a fine job at Clemson.

My argument is that hiring coaches is such a crapshoot that it's impossible to know how Sean would do (as a fan.) You could learn a lot through an interview process or seeing him work (which Currie would have the opportunity to do), but we really can't.

[jtksu]

Success as a coordinator or position coach does not seem to correlate to head coach success. They are completely different jobs. Dabo Swinney was never a coordinator and he's done a fine job at Clemson.

My argument is that hiring coaches is such a crapshoot that it's impossible to know how Sean would do (as a fan.) You could learn a lot through an interview process or seeing him work (which Currie would have the opportunity to do), but we really can't.

Dabo was the Assistant HC/WR coach before get the HC job.  Prior to that he was a TE/WR coach and a GA before that.  His resume would appear to be fairly similar to Sean's.  (I wasn't aware of this before yoy mentioned it.) 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I just have a hard time believing that Sean would be able to go out and find quality assistants. He has absolutely no experience outside of Manhattan, KS. Sure, he could probably keep the current staff and maybe get Mangino, but that only works until somebody leaves. I don't think Sean has many connections.

[CNS]

I just have a hard time believing that Sean would be able to go out and find quality assistants. He has absolutely no experience outside of Manhattan, KS. Sure, he could probably keep the current staff and maybe get Mangino, but that only works until somebody leaves. I don't think Sean has many connections.

The lack of experience isn't even the only major issues.  Type A personalities love to minimize someone for certain reasons and daddy getting you the job is the #1 reason.  Sean would be fighting a serious uphill battle on this part alone with potential coaches.

[jtksu]

I just have a hard time believing that Sean would be able to go out and find quality assistants. He has absolutely no experience outside of Manhattan, KS. Sure, he could probably keep the current staff and maybe get Mangino, but that only works until somebody leaves. I don't think Sean has many connections.

Gonna assume he has many of the same connections Bill does.  Seems like he could keep most of the same guys around and be just fine?

[Ira Hayes]

This issue was magnificently addressed a year and a half ago by _33.  May need to update Chris Cosh and Mike Leach. Charlie Dickey deserves an appearance. But otherwise nothing has changed.

[wetwillie]

My morbid curiosity actually wants to see what Sean could do.   Bill would be consulting in vanier until he died anyway.   

[MadCat]

My morbid curiosity actually wants to see what Sean could do.   Bill would be consulting in vanier until he died anyway.

Only after Bill wins MNC.

[j-von]

My morbid curiosity actually wants to see what Sean could do.   Bill would be consulting in vanier until he died anyway.

This is where I'm at unless there's a really good hire somewhere else.  When Bill came back I was excited, but only because I really wanted to see if he could do it again more than actually thinking he would.  Feel the same way about Sean.  This also proves I'd be a horrible AD.

[Cartierfor3]

Does anybody actually know anything about Sean and how he coaches?  Besides having an awesome special teams unit hes just kinda "there."

I umpired several baseball games where he was the coach

Was he outgoing or verbal at all?  When he talks, does it seem like he trying to be his dad?

Very much so.  In fact I recall him yelling a lot, to the point of it having a negative effect on the team.  No, he did not try and sound like his dad. 

More importantly, did he scheme the crap out of the other team?

No.  His team was ok for a team of 12 year olds.  Won some lost some.  He did in fact, wait for me and another umpire in the parking lot to confront us after a game, because we didn't throw a kid on the other team out who let go of his bat and it hit Sean's catcher.  My experience is that he is an insecure jerk. 

[Super PurpleCat]

Well there you have it.  Big XII refs would bury him.