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Re: oscar
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Re: oscar
« Reply #76 on: November 17, 2012, 01:53:12 PM »
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Re: oscar
« Reply #77 on: November 19, 2012, 12:10:18 AM »
I'm starting to like oscar.

He was kind of down on the team after the game today, which gave me hope that he actually understands what is going on out on the court sometimes. I was terrified after we committed 20 TOs against Washburn and looked like we would rather be cleaning Mangino's ass towels, and he was all like, "I thought we played hard, because I'm a rough ridin' idiot and apparently don't understand the difference in levels of giving a eff out on the court." It was nice for him to accurately assess that we sucked ass for a large portion of this game today. The meaner he becomes toward the team, the nicer I will be toward him (I think Frank has scarred me permanently, I'm not sure this is a healthy way to respond to my basketball coach...or anything in life, really.)
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Re: oscar
« Reply #78 on: November 19, 2012, 12:24:07 AM »
oscar is oscar.

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Re: oscar
« Reply #79 on: November 19, 2012, 08:20:15 AM »
I don't think oscar is a basketball idiot, far from it actually. Now, oscar as a motivator and program "sustainer" is the biggest question.

What I do see is that oscar is a basketball schemer and tactician and a more "traditional" basketball coach. The thing we got used to with Frank a bit is not that he didn't care about those things, but he was a basketball coach with more of a football coach's mentality. Execution and a system were important, but just as important were effort and how physical we played on a game by game basis. (Yes, good/great basketball coaches get their teams to do both) This was clear in how he used his players. oscar is just different. I do think those things are important to him as well, but he's much more about execution and getting guys in the right spots and right now in these OOC pud games he's working as many guys in as he can. He will motivate with playing time a bit (Gip in the first game), but he's much more interested in seeing how guys perform in games and not just practice and that's why he's playing so many guys. The season will see if he has the ability to push buttons and motivate well, but I definitely think the players are learning basketball nuances they probably didn't under Frank. How that works short term (this season) or long term (3 year down the road) we simply cannot know, but its part of having a new coach with a much different philosophy and personality than we got used to in Frank.

Honestly, in some ways I appreciate oscar's approach compared to Frank's, but it doesn't matter if it doesn't work. At the end of the day even with Frank's often maddening approach to coaching basketball, he won games and that's what matters (and should) to fans.

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Re: oscar
« Reply #80 on: November 19, 2012, 08:24:42 AM »
good post _Fan, i don't disagree w/ anything you said. 


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Re: oscar
« Reply #81 on: November 19, 2012, 09:18:51 AM »

Honestly, in some ways I appreciate oscar's approach compared to Frank's, but it doesn't matter if it doesn't work. At the end of the day even with Frank's often maddening approach to coaching basketball, he won games and that's what matters (and should) to fans.


This. 

Frank's JYC style of play was a great equalizer.  Though our talent was somewhere in the middle of the BigXII, our big, long, athletic lineup defended and rebounded so well that we won games despite poor FG% and FT%.  Ugly, yes.  But effective. 

oscar can x and o the crap out it.  But, a well oiled offense might not be enough to consistently finish in the top-4 of the conference and go to NCAA tourneys.  oscar either has to out-recruit Frank to the point where our skill level is elite.  Or, he is gonna have to equalize opponents' skill level by playing JYC bball.  If he can't do either of these things, I envision us devolving into Iowa State basketball - consistent NIT team with a few NCAAs sprinkled in.         

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Re: oscar
« Reply #82 on: November 19, 2012, 10:12:48 AM »

Honestly, in some ways I appreciate oscar's approach compared to Frank's, but it doesn't matter if it doesn't work. At the end of the day even with Frank's often maddening approach to coaching basketball, he won games and that's what matters (and should) to fans.


This. 

Frank's JYC style of play was a great equalizer.  Though our talent was somewhere in the middle of the BigXII, our big, long, athletic lineup defended and rebounded so well that we won games despite poor FG% and FT%.  Ugly, yes.  But effective. 

oscar can x and o the crap out it.  But, a well oiled offense might not be enough to consistently finish in the top-4 of the conference and go to NCAA tourneys.  oscar either has to out-recruit Frank to the point where our skill level is elite.  Or, he is gonna have to equalize opponents' skill level by playing JYC bball.  If he can't do either of these things, I envision us devolving into Iowa State basketball - consistent NIT team with a few NCAAs sprinkled in.         

oscar is pedestrian at best intellectually speaking.  So while he knows a lot about his particular brand of basketball, there is zero innovation, flexibility or adaptability.  If what he wants to do isn't working, he has no rough ridin' answer.  So saying he can "x and o the crap out of it" is patently false.  Can confirm. 
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Re: oscar
« Reply #83 on: November 19, 2012, 10:24:58 AM »
I'm hoping our staff can make up where oscar lacks in these areas.

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« Reply #84 on: November 19, 2012, 10:30:44 AM »
I'm hoping our staff can make up where oscar lacks in these areas.

Other than AB3, staff is made up of ppl from his past locations, right?

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Re: oscar
« Reply #85 on: November 19, 2012, 10:33:16 AM »
I'm hoping our staff can make up where oscar lacks in these areas.

Other than AB3, staff is made up of ppl from his past locations, right?

lowery was with him when they were a good team together at SIO. Chet was a player for him.

edit: so it's not a retread of his illinois staff is i guess my point. so maybe we can hope for different things to happen?

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Re: oscar
« Reply #86 on: November 19, 2012, 10:53:07 AM »
Wasn't the tall ginger also his vid coord or something?

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Re: oscar
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Re: oscar
« Reply #88 on: November 20, 2012, 03:41:20 AM »

Honestly, in some ways I appreciate oscar's approach compared to Frank's, but it doesn't matter if it doesn't work. At the end of the day even with Frank's often maddening approach to coaching basketball, he won games and that's what matters (and should) to fans.


This. 

Frank's JYC style of play was a great equalizer.  Though our talent was somewhere in the middle of the BigXII, our big, long, athletic lineup defended and rebounded so well that we won games despite poor FG% and FT%.  Ugly, yes.  But effective. 

oscar can x and o the crap out it.  But, a well oiled offense might not be enough to consistently finish in the top-4 of the conference and go to NCAA tourneys.  oscar either has to out-recruit Frank to the point where our skill level is elite.  Or, he is gonna have to equalize opponents' skill level by playing JYC bball.  If he can't do either of these things, I envision us devolving into Iowa State basketball - consistent NIT team with a few NCAAs sprinkled in.         

oscar is pedestrian at best intellectually speaking.  So while he knows a lot about his particular brand of basketball, there is zero innovation, flexibility or adaptability.  If what he wants to do isn't working, he has no rough ridin' answer.  So saying he can "x and o the crap out of it" is patently false.  Can confirm.
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Re: oscar
« Reply #90 on: November 20, 2012, 06:51:06 AM »
ednksu,

At the end of oscar's tenure it was regularly reported that players would get different and conflicting instruction depending on who they asked between oscar, Wayne and Jerrance.  Nobody asked Jay Price because he was a joke.  So I guess the take home would be that oscar didn't maintain/enforce a unified party line amongst his staff, meaning they were free to think for themselves and advise accordingly.  It didn't seem to help at Illinois.  So...     
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Re: oscar
« Reply #92 on: November 20, 2012, 07:26:25 AM »
I'd hate to be one of the Frank/kenpom combo Nazis right now.

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Re: oscar
« Reply #93 on: November 20, 2012, 08:26:47 AM »
I'd hate to be one of the Frank/kenpom combo Nazis right now.

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Re: oscar
« Reply #94 on: November 20, 2012, 09:18:42 AM »
I'd hate to be one of the Frank/kenpom combo Nazis right now.

sample size

I don't know about any of that crap, but I am getting pretty stoked for some earnest basketball BBS'n.  I have recently come to accept that I am a basketball fan first and it feels good.  Here's to some good times ahead. :cheers: :dance: :bball:
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Re: oscar
« Reply #95 on: November 20, 2012, 01:44:14 PM »
I'd hate to be one of the Frank/kenpom combo Nazis right now.

sample size

he's right, I'm so torn, and don't know what to think. :frown:

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« Reply #96 on: November 20, 2012, 01:50:28 PM »
I'd hate to be one of the Frank/kenpom combo Nazis right now.

sample size

he's right, I'm so torn, and don't know what to think. :frown:

I'm intrigued by what will become of Mr Bread if oscar succeeds here. Will be amazing to watch.
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Re: oscar
« Reply #97 on: November 20, 2012, 01:53:21 PM »
I'd hate to be one of the Frank/kenpom combo Nazis right now.

sample size

he's right, I'm so torn, and don't know what to think. :frown:

wait. was there anyone that thought we wouldn't be pretty darn good this year? i'm confused.

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Re: oscar
« Reply #98 on: November 20, 2012, 01:56:12 PM »
well, we were picked fifth out of ten (right where we ended last season) so I'd say the consensus was "average but not improved"

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« Reply #99 on: November 20, 2012, 01:58:39 PM »
well, we were picked fifth out of ten (right where we ended last season) so I'd say the consensus was "average but not improved"

I've said that I think we'll finish higher than that.