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« on: October 19, 2012, 01:26:50 PM »
Pretty great article from Mellinger:

MANHATTAN, Kan. -- LHC Bill Snyder likes to say he enjoyed retirement, but that’s not completely true. People like Snyder don’t enjoy retirement. Oh, sure. He kept busy. The man knows no other way than busy. If his life’s calling was not to coach football, he’d have been the hardest-working engineer or professor or mechanic you ever saw.
So after stepping away seven years ago from the sports miracle he created at Kansas State University, he buried himself in activities. He watched every grandchild play every game he could, discovering new parts of Manhattan in the process — parks and restaurants instead of the office and his house. He read books he’d put off too long. He even played golf once or twice.
But he couldn’t enjoy all of it, either. Not after a year or two, anyway, when the football program he put so much of his life into went off the tracks under his successor.
Games meant a reminder that Snyder no longer had control, and he doesn’t like not having control. Sharon Snyder’s memory of her husband on fall Saturdays is a man standing in a stadium suite, arms folded, stern look on his face and only speaking when asked a question — and even then only a few words.
“It hurt him to not be involved,” Sharon says. “…You’re giving up part of your identity.”
You could say the same thing about Manhattan and the university, as the losses stacked on each other and the football program drifted back toward the irrelevance that Snyder once inherited. They needed a man who’d just turned 69 to come out of retirement and replicate the greatest job of program-building in college football history.
They needed another miracle.



Magical things happen when a man finds his perfect place in the world.
“I concur with your thought,” Snyder says while sitting in his office last week. “Kansas State has just been wonderful for me.”
But to fully understand what one man means to one community, it’s important to go back to the very beginning, a quarter-century ago, a very different time for Manhattan and K-State — back when only a crazy person would’ve thought the football team would someday be coached by a 73-year-old and ranked No. 4 in the country with a plausible path to a national championship.
Those were dark days here, back then. The football program wasn’t just awful but historically awful. The consequences of not getting it fixed were far greater than mere embarrassment or irrelevance.
Powerful men not only talked of booting K-State out of the Big Eight Conference, they had a plan. Arkansas was restless in the Southwest Conference. The Board of Regents considered moving the Wildcats to the Missouri Valley Conference or even dropping the football program altogether.
Nobody wanted to imagine what that would mean to this town.
About 25,000 people lived in Manhattan then, and K-State enrollment dipped 15 percent in the 1980s. The city had one hotel, and you couldn’t get here from Interstate 70 on anything but a two-lane road.
Five or six men laughed when asked about coming here to coach, and who could blame them? Every K-State coach since the Great Depression had a losing record. One quit in the middle of the season. Only the seniors had ever won a game at K-State, and even then only twice. Back then, raising cattle on Pluto would’ve seemed as feasible as building a national football power in this little town.
LHC Bill Snyder did not laugh.
“That first season it was losing, losing, losing, and I was with the (athletic director) and associate A.D. and I said, ‘You guys are so lucky to have my husband here,’” Sharon Snyder says. “Yes I did. I remember that vividly.
“Who knows what they thought?”



Rusty Wilson is calling from Houston. He owns Rusty’s Last Chance and Kite’s, two staples of the Aggieville bar scene, and is finalizing the purchase of a 144-square-foot television screen for them. He wants you to know he wouldn’t be able to do this without Snyder’s football program.
Winning makes people happy, and happy people celebrate at bars. He doesn’t want to think about what life would be like if Snyder hadn’t saved football, again. Maybe Wilson wouldn’t be broke, but he wouldn’t be buying giant TV screens, either.
Various local business owners say that when Snyder retired after the 2005 season and the program lost its way under Ron Prince, their in-season revenue fell by 20 to 30 percent.
Prince’s teams lost 20 games in three seasons before Snyder returned in 2009. The Wildcats only lost 29 times during Snyder’s 11-year run of bowl appearances in the 1990s and early 2000s.
“They say one man can’t make that huge a difference,” Wilson says. “I’m telling you: yes, one man can make that much of a difference.”
It is not enough to say that most people come to Manhattan on LHC Bill Snyder Highway or that the biggest building in town is LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium, but that’s a good start.
Snyder turned K-State football from big joke to big business. His success brought network television and national magazines. By the time the Wildcats were fixtures in the national rankings in the late 1990s, Manhattan had gone from one hotel to six. That number has since doubled, most with two-night minimums on game weekends.
Attendance at games has more than doubled, and the city’s population has doubled. Enrollment is up 50 percent. The university has constructed nearly 30 new buildings since Snyder’s arrival. The west side of the football stadium is currently undergoing a $75 million makeover.
Even adjusted for inflation, donations to the athletics department have multiplied 17 times since Snyder arrived — after he came back, they reached all-time highs despite the recession.
The $650 million National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility means the area is likely to stay strong. Snyder can’t be given total credit, of course, but reasonable people believe he is the single most important factor in all of it. No wonder people name their pets and even children after Snyder.
“He’s the most influential figure in the modern history of this community and this university,” K-State athletic director John Currie says. “OK? The most transformational figure. And I mean that with great respect to all the people who’ve supported and led the community.”
Snyder is famously understated, typically allergic to speculation, but he has an answer ready for what might’ve happened if K-State had dropped out of the Big Eight two decades ago.
“The one thing I know for sure, had that taken place, Manhattan would not be at all what it is today,” he says. “The enrollment would’ve continued to decline, the community would’ve continued to decline. The economy of the community has grown immensely, and so much of that, a great deal, is truly due to the people who came to support our program.”
The value of Snyder isn’t all hypothetical, you know. They’ve lived through the alternative twice now.
Once before he arrived, and once after he retired.



It’s interesting that everyone involved — Snyder himself, his wife, friends and anyone else who’s been around for both resurrections — says he’s doing it the second time just like he did it the first time. The man doesn’t change. What Snyder did in the 1990s with Kevin Lockett, a receiver who went on to play for the Chiefs, he does today with Kevin’s son Tyler, a standout kick returner.
“It’s all the same,” Kevin Lockett says. “People want to know how he’s different, what he’s doing now compared to what he did with us, and I’m telling you: It’s exactly the same. I hear the same things from my son that I heard from Coach when I was there. It’s unbelievable.”
If there is one critical common denominator between the original Manhattan Miracle and version 2.0, it is a change in attitude. Snyder never talks much about results, only about “getting a little better every day,” because if you’re sweeping up a landfill, you have to take it one pile at a time.
Dragging a university and community from the edge of obscurity is done in the margins, in the details, and nobody does details like Snyder. When he arrived the first time, he changed the offices and the practice schedules and the equipment and the logo and even the color purple.
The old shade was too light, he decided, and light purple looked like a loser. He wanted it darker, and based the uniforms on the Dallas Cowboys. The university supported all of this with money it didn’t really have, an all-in bet on the conservative football coach.
A funny thing began to happen off the field, too. A coach and the community around him began to mesh in a perfect symphony. People in Kansas, particularly the rural parts that make up a large chunk of the K-State fanbase, began to see their best qualities in the head coach.
He dresses predictably and practically, either khaki pants and simple collared shirt or suit and tie. He never makes any promises except to keep working hard, and ohmygoodness, does he ever work hard.
The standard work week around K-State football is around 120 hours. Once, an assistant went to get a drink and returned to a note on his door telling him he’d be fired if he ever left the building again.
The picture of K-State football is whichever Cadillac Snyder is driving at the time parked in front of the facility. He knows that it took exactly 2 minutes and 45 seconds to get from his house to the office, a drive he sometimes jokes his car could make without anyone behind the wheel.
The connection between man and fan came quick. Snyder and everyone in the program he rules put in fanatical hours right now for a harvest at the end. Basically, he takes the farmer’s approach to coaching football. The fans he works hard for can appreciate that.
Watch any game of his, and without recognizing the players, the best way to guess the year would be the video quality. Michael Bishop, the Wildcats’ star quarterback in 1997-98, runs straight ahead, behind his blockers in grainy video. Today, Heisman Trophy hopeful Collin Klein does the same in high-def. Get a little better every day. Keep rowing. Snyder said it in the ’90s, and he says it now.
The only difference is the Cadillac — Snyder drives an Escalade, after years of DeVilles.
“Consistency, man,” Klein says. “He doesn’t just preach it. He lives it.”



Sharon Snyder hears people say that her husband is mellower this time around, but she thinks that’s a bunch of hooey. If anything, he’s more intense now. Maybe it’s the experience of seeing the program drift so quickly after he retired.
Jim Colbert, the former pro golfer and K-State alumnus, sometimes watches practice and makes the distinction that his old friend is “intense without being tense.” Colbert says Snyder carries himself with more certainty knowing what his day’s purpose will be, and that he somehow looks younger now than when he was retired.
“He kind of looks at me funny when I tell him that, but it’s true,” Colbert says.
Maybe Snyder leans more on his assistants now than before, but that’s hard to say because he always leaned on them. He uses film of practices to grade his coaches, and lets them use the film to grade the players. Snyder mostly uses practice to watch, to occasionally teach, and always walks around with that voice recorder to help him make notes later. This is that old lifestyle, the one he chose, the one he felt at least a little lost without.
The magic of Snyder is not in what he does but in what he creates. It’s an environment where his coaches and players are so invested in each other, so bonded by a common purpose that nobody stops to think how crazy it is that a 73-year-old man is working 18 hours and connecting with teenagers to build a national football power largely from the other powers’ leftovers.
K-State fans have seen this movie before, of course. Snyder’s best teams are always built with transfers and overlooked high school kids. His worst teams before he left came after the success and he chased some higher-rated recruits.
So what you have might be the rarest kind of college football coach, a one-of-a-kind. He comes without ego or self-promotion, fundamentally unconcerned with the next job or his salary. He is self-aware enough to know he found his perfect place, and good enough that he’s made it so much better.
If you want to know how a team full of guys with three-star pasts keeps beating teams full of guys with seven-figure futures, that’s as good an explanation as any.



Catch him in the right mood, and LHC Bill Snyder will tell the story of why he decided to coach the worst football program in America. This was during his interview, December 1988, and it’s bitterly cold.
Snyder asks to be left in the middle of campus, outside, for an hour or so. He guesses he stopped 40 or 50 people. He didn’t know any of them, and he didn’t tell anybody why he was there. He just wanted to talk. Random stuff. Small talk. Sometimes he asked for directions, sometimes he just asked how they liked it here.
Every single person Snyder approached stopped in the freezing cold to talk to a complete stranger. So when the hour was up, he said he’d do it. Random, unwitting and kind K-Staters convinced Snyder to come try to make magic. He wanted to be part of that, and neither coach nor community has been the same since.
Together they grow, in beautiful symphony.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/19/3874894/bill-snyder-saved-a-town-and-a.html#storylink=cpy


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Re: LHCBS
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2012, 01:38:18 PM »
goodness, its almost getting too much. wait, no its not. :D
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Re: LHCBS
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2012, 01:49:03 PM »
Really is crazy we almost got kicked out of the Big 8. Thank God for the nice people that stopped and talked to LHCBS in the cold. If Scooter Girl would've been there at that time we would be effed right now.  :billdance:

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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2012, 01:53:40 PM »
great read  :ksu:

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Re: LHCBS
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2012, 01:54:37 PM »
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Sharon Snyder’s memory of her husband on fall Saturdays is a man standing in a stadium suite, arms folded, stern look on his face and only speaking when asked a question — and even then only a few words.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/19/3874894/bill-snyder-saved-a-town-and-a.html#storylink=cpy

Chills.

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2012, 01:55:34 PM »
Bill will coach until he dies

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Re: LHCBS
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2012, 01:57:10 PM »
Great read. However this line left me all  :surprised:


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/19/3874894/bill-snyder-saved-a-town-and-a.html#storylink=cpy

There's MORE? Half my already afternoon's gone because of that novel!
“I'm grossly overpaid for what I do." - LHC Bill Snyder, April 17th, 2013

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Re: LHCBS
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2012, 02:04:28 PM »
 :thumbs: :bill:

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2012, 02:05:03 PM »
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Re: LHCBS
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2012, 02:10:11 PM »
If you like a piece, I would recommend refraining from posting the whole thing here.  Give them a little traffic.

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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2012, 02:16:06 PM »
Imagine how much Wefald hates this statement:

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“He’s the most influential figure in the modern history of this community and this university,” K-State athletic director John Currie says. “OK? The most transformational figure. And I mean that with great respect to all the people who’ve supported and led the community.”

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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2012, 02:20:07 PM »
I was probably one of the people he stopped in December of '88.

So, you're welcome guise for being the reason Coach Snyder came to K-State.

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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2012, 02:25:00 PM »
Imagine how much Wefald hates this statement:

Back in Wefald's day he was the one doing the trolling, not making statements on Twitter distancing the school from us.




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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2012, 02:31:23 PM »
Imagine how much Wefald hates this statement:

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“He’s the most influential figure in the modern history of this community and this university,” K-State athletic director John Currie says. “OK? The most transformational figure. And I mean that with great respect to all the people who’ve supported and led the community.”

None. Absolutely none. Wefald is a bigger Snyder and KSU fan than any of us.

He may have been goofy, but he was never jealous of Bill's success. If he had been, Bill probably would have left for the big dollars.

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2012, 02:33:13 PM »
Imagine how much Wefald hates this statement:

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“He’s the most influential figure in the modern history of this community and this university,” K-State athletic director John Currie says. “OK? The most transformational figure. And I mean that with great respect to all the people who’ve supported and led the community.”

None. Absolutely none. Wefald is a bigger Snyder and KSU fan than any of us.

He may have been goofy, but he was never jealous of Bill's success. If he had been, Bill probably would have left for the big dollars.

Good point.

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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2012, 02:35:08 PM »
And I'll add that I think Shulz is very much the same.  Kirk Shulz is a perfect fit at KSU.

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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2012, 02:36:54 PM »
Imagine how much Wefald hates this statement:

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“He’s the most influential figure in the modern history of this community and this university,” K-State athletic director John Currie says. “OK? The most transformational figure. And I mean that with great respect to all the people who’ve supported and led the community.”

None. Absolutely none. Wefald is a bigger Snyder and KSU fan than any of us.

He may have been goofy, but he was never jealous of Bill's success. If he had been, Bill probably would have left for the big dollars.

No but he was also very quick to point out that HE found Bill and if HE didn't find Bill we wouldn't be relevant.  It was/is a sore subject with some big donors who got tired of hearing how great Wefald was in finding Bill.

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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2012, 02:51:30 PM »
I was probably one of the people he stopped in December of '88.

So, you're welcome guise for being the reason Coach Snyder came to K-State.

Way to date yourself old man.
“I'm grossly overpaid for what I do." - LHC Bill Snyder, April 17th, 2013

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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2012, 02:52:33 PM »
Imagine how much Wefald hates this statement:

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“He’s the most influential figure in the modern history of this community and this university,” K-State athletic director John Currie says. “OK? The most transformational figure. And I mean that with great respect to all the people who’ve supported and led the community.”

None. Absolutely none. Wefald is a bigger Snyder and KSU fan than any of us.

He may have been goofy, but he was never jealous of Bill's success. If he had been, Bill probably would have left for the big dollars.

No but he was also very quick to point out that HE found Bill and if HE didn't find Bill we wouldn't be relevant.  It was/is a sore subject with some big donors who got tired of hearing how great Wefald was in finding Bill.

Yeah, but Wefald was trying to use Bill's success to make people believe that he could do similar things in other areas of the university. He said multiple times that football success would help the whole university. It wasn't some personal ego building thing. He did the same thing with Rhodes scholars.

People don't invest if they don't believe in the leader. Wefald never did it to gain personal glory. Shulz doesn't either. We're in good hands.
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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2012, 02:52:35 PM »
I was probably one of the people he stopped in December of '88.

So, you're welcome guise for being the reason Coach Snyder came to K-State.

Way to date yourself old man.

oops.  :embarrassed:

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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2012, 02:56:54 PM »
If you like a piece, I would recommend refraining from posting the whole thing here.  Give them a little traffic.

Will do in the future, sorry about that.

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2012, 03:11:05 PM »
Amazing stuff, like always when someone does a profile on our LHOFHCBS.

And to think that 80% or so of people on the board hated the hire the 2nd time around.  :nono:

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2012, 09:04:58 PM »
that's the best smellinger has ever done. probly the best he will ever do.
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Re: LHCBS
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2012, 09:59:01 PM »
I was probably one of the people he stopped in December of '88.

So, you're welcome guise for being the reason Coach Snyder came to K-State.

Way to date yourself old man.

That's ok old man...possibly because of you, we are blessed  :cheers:

oops.  :embarrassed: