For reals ? or !

[EllToPay]

You guys are setting up the meltdown by not giving these teams the proper due.  Did you see that game last night.  Washington was completely out manned by Stanford.  UW couldn't do a damn thing with the ball, yet they managed to find a way to win at home.  We're a damn good football but we are not good enough & our opponents aren't bad enough to start counting wins.  Alabama can, they are good and their schedule is awful.

we know the conference is tough, jesus christ...

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think that we have by far the easiest remaining schedule in the Big 12. We just don't have any difficult road games left. All of our toughest games are at home. If we are truly a title contender, our schedule sets up perfectly.

parody post?

No. Look at the schedule. I like our chances on the road at ISU, WVU, and Baylor much more than I would like them at OSU, Texas, and Tech. The only possible way to make our schedule easier would be to play WVU at home and KU on the road. Our schedule would suck if we were some crappy team hoping to win 6 games and get bowl eligible, but for a championship contender, it's perfect.

ok, now throw out ISU (or keep them, we do go there) and add the number 14 team in the country

I don't think TCU is as good as OSU, Texas, or Tech. I'm not saying our schedule is easy, but everyone plays the same round robin, and I'd rather play the best teams at home. I wouldn't trade our Big 12 schedule with anyone else's.

This is absurd, WVU plays every ranked B12 team at home other than TX. They are also one of the half of the conference that only has 4 confy road games.

Austin, Lubbock, and Stillwater are all very difficult places to play. I would have traded that for Norman, Morgantown, Ft. Worth, and Waco, but now that Norman is out of the equation, I would not.

[MakeItRain]

Coming into the season every one of us would have been okay with 10-2 or 9-3.  To get to those marks we had to win at least 3 of these games. @ OU, @WVU, OSU, @TCU, UT.  We've won 1 of these games, not two or three.  Nothing has changed, we're on the way but have plenty of work to do, not to mention having to navigate trap games like @ISU and hosting TT.

I'll revisit my stance after flood aggy and coal aggy.

[steve dave]

I think that we have by far the easiest remaining schedule in the Big 12. We just don't have any difficult road games left. All of our toughest games are at home. If we are truly a title contender, our schedule sets up perfectly.

parody post?

No. Look at the schedule. I like our chances on the road at ISU, WVU, and Baylor much more than I would like them at OSU, Texas, and Tech. The only possible way to make our schedule easier would be to play WVU at home and KU on the road. Our schedule would suck if we were some crappy team hoping to win 6 games and get bowl eligible, but for a championship contender, it's perfect.

ok, now throw out ISU (or keep them, we do go there) and add the number 14 team in the country

I don't think TCU is as good as OSU, Texas, or Tech. I'm not saying our schedule is easy, but everyone plays the same round robin, and I'd rather play the best teams at home. I wouldn't trade our Big 12 schedule with anyone else's.

This is absurd, WVU plays every ranked B12 team at home other than TX. They are also one of the half of the conference that only has 4 confy road games.

Austin, Lubbock, and Stillwater are all very difficult places to play. I would have traded that for Norman, Morgantown, Ft. Worth, and Waco, but now that Norman is out of the equation, I would not.

alternatively, we only get 1 ranked conference opponent at home and play 5 conference road games. 60% of the conference is ranked.

[MakeItRain]

You guys are setting up the meltdown by not giving these teams the proper due.  Did you see that game last night.  Washington was completely out manned by Stanford.  UW couldn't do a damn thing with the ball, yet they managed to find a way to win at home.  We're a damn good football but we are not good enough & our opponents aren't bad enough to start counting wins.  Alabama can, they are good and their schedule is awful.

we know the conference is tough, jesus christ...

are you reading the posts listing ISU and WVU as layups?  jesus christ...

[GoodForAnother]

guys, wvu is not very good.  I keep saying this but no one listens.

No one listens because its a bad take.  They very well may be overrated, not sure how they didn't get wide media criticism after that performance against Maryland, but overrated is far far far from "not good," they are undoubtedly good.

no, it's a great take.  you're a jerk!

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think that we have by far the easiest remaining schedule in the Big 12. We just don't have any difficult road games left. All of our toughest games are at home. If we are truly a title contender, our schedule sets up perfectly.

parody post?

No. Look at the schedule. I like our chances on the road at ISU, WVU, and Baylor much more than I would like them at OSU, Texas, and Tech. The only possible way to make our schedule easier would be to play WVU at home and KU on the road. Our schedule would suck if we were some crappy team hoping to win 6 games and get bowl eligible, but for a championship contender, it's perfect.

ok, now throw out ISU (or keep them, we do go there) and add the number 14 team in the country

I don't think TCU is as good as OSU, Texas, or Tech. I'm not saying our schedule is easy, but everyone plays the same round robin, and I'd rather play the best teams at home. I wouldn't trade our Big 12 schedule with anyone else's.

This is absurd, WVU plays every ranked B12 team at home other than TX. They are also one of the half of the conference that only has 4 confy road games.

Austin, Lubbock, and Stillwater are all very difficult places to play. I would have traded that for Norman, Morgantown, Ft. Worth, and Waco, but now that Norman is out of the equation, I would not.

alternatively, we only get 1 ranked conference opponent at home and play 5 conference road games. 60% of the conference is ranked.

There is a pretty good chance that both OSU and Tech will be ranked by the time we play them.

[p1k3]

Coming into the season every one of us would have been okay with 10-2 or 9-3.  To get to those marks we had to win at least 3 of these games. @ OU, @WVU, OSU, @TCU, UT.  We've won 1 of these games, not two or three.  Nothing has changed, we're on the way but have plenty of work to do, not to mention having to navigate trap games like @ISU and hosting TT.

I'll revisit my stance after flood aggy and coal aggy.

Yeah if anything we need to set this discussion aside for three or four weeks

[catzacker]

You guys are setting up the meltdown by not giving these teams the proper due.  Did you see that game last night.  Washington was completely out manned by Stanford.  UW couldn't do a damn thing with the ball, yet they managed to find a way to win at home.  We're a damn good football but we are not good enough & our opponents aren't bad enough to start counting wins.  Alabama can, they are good and their schedule is awful.

see, this is what I was trying to get at.  like, right now, we just got over one of like 5 major hurdles.  and the "minor" hurdles aren't really that minor, save for ku.

[MakeItRain]

You guys are setting up the meltdown by not giving these teams the proper due.  Did you see that game last night.  Washington was completely out manned by Stanford.  UW couldn't do a damn thing with the ball, yet they managed to find a way to win at home.  We're a damn good football but we are not good enough & our opponents aren't bad enough to start counting wins.  Alabama can, they are good and their schedule is awful.

see, this is what I was trying to get at.  like, right now, we just got over one of like 5 major hurdles.  and the "minor" hurdles aren't really that minor, save for ku.

we know the conference is tough, jesus christ...

[catzacker]

You guys are setting up the meltdown by not giving these teams the proper due.  Did you see that game last night.  Washington was completely out manned by Stanford.  UW couldn't do a damn thing with the ball, yet they managed to find a way to win at home.  We're a damn good football but we are not good enough & our opponents aren't bad enough to start counting wins.  Alabama can, they are good and their schedule is awful.

see, this is what I was trying to get at.  like, right now, we just got over one of like 5 major hurdles.  and the "minor" hurdles aren't really that minor, save for ku.

we know the conference is tough, jesus christ...

Yeah, so like I was wondering if people thought we can reasonably expect to win based off what we’ve done.  But there appears to be others that don’t think that games like @ ISU are going to be dogfights.  And even TT @ home and OSU @ home will be tough.  The point or the question, is that we don’t have the talent to just mark it down and beating OU required us to execute probably better than we had (given the competition) and OU wetting itself.  So, was it a flash? A perfect storm of variables that went in our favor?  Or an reasonable expectation of performance?

[mocat]

Dream schedule this year for any team in the B12 (obviously you remove the team you are looking at)


Home
UT
WV
OU
KSU
OSU

Road
KU
TCU
Baylor
Tech
ISU

Does anyone have this schedule this year? No, but you know who has a pretty good schedule?

Tech:

Home: OU, WV, UT, KU, Baylor
Away: ISU, TCU, KSU, OSU

[MakeItRain]

Dream schedule this year for any team in the B12 (obviously you remove the team you are looking at)


Home
UT
WV
OU
KSU
OSU

Road
KU
TCU
Baylor
Tech
ISU

Does anyone have this schedule this year? No, but you know who has a pretty good schedule?

Tech:

Home: OU, WV, UT, KU, Baylor
Away: ISU, TCU, KSU, OSU

that's got 1-8, 2-7 written all over it.  3-6 at best.

[mocat]

Dream schedule this year for any team in the B12 (obviously you remove the team you are looking at)


Home
UT
WV
OU
KSU
OSU

Road
KU
TCU
Baylor
Tech
ISU

Does anyone have this schedule this year? No, but you know who has a pretty good schedule?

Tech:

Home: OU, WV, UT, KU, Baylor
Away: ISU, TCU, KSU, OSU

that's got 1-8, 2-7 written all over it.  3-6 at best.

Well ignore the fact that it's TTU. Just look at how the home/away worked out for them. Unreal to get OU/WV/UT all at home.

[Rage Against the McKee]

You guys are setting up the meltdown by not giving these teams the proper due.  Did you see that game last night.  Washington was completely out manned by Stanford.  UW couldn't do a damn thing with the ball, yet they managed to find a way to win at home.  We're a damn good football but we are not good enough & our opponents aren't bad enough to start counting wins.  Alabama can, they are good and their schedule is awful.

see, this is what I was trying to get at.  like, right now, we just got over one of like 5 major hurdles.  and the "minor" hurdles aren't really that minor, save for ku.

we know the conference is tough, jesus christ...

Yeah, so like I was wondering if people thought we can reasonably expect to win based off what we’ve done.  But there appears to be others that don’t think that games like @ ISU are going to be dogfights.  And even TT @ home and OSU @ home will be tough.  The point or the question, is that we don’t have the talent to just mark it down and beating OU required us to execute probably better than we had (given the competition) and OU wetting itself.  So, was it a flash? A perfect storm of variables that went in our favor?  Or an reasonable expectation of performance?

The conference is hard, but everyone plays the same schedule, we are clearly the best team at this point, and we have already won what was by far the most difficult game on the schedule. 11-1 should be enough to win the conference outright and 10-2 will probably be good enough to share the title. If you asked "should we expect to win out and go to the national championship game?" I would say no. We should expect to win the Big 12, though. We have the best team and everyone else has the same schedule we do, plus they still have to play OU.

[EllToPay]

You guys are setting up the meltdown by not giving these teams the proper due.  Did you see that game last night.  Washington was completely out manned by Stanford.  UW couldn't do a damn thing with the ball, yet they managed to find a way to win at home.  We're a damn good football but we are not good enough & our opponents aren't bad enough to start counting wins.  Alabama can, they are good and their schedule is awful.

we know the conference is tough, jesus christ...

are you reading the posts listing ISU and WVU as layups?  jesus christ...

isu is a layup. nuts kicked is trolling you on wvu.

[deputy dawg]

guys, wvu is not very good.  I keep saying this but no one listens.

 

Have played a crap schedule.  Agreed on the overrated part.

[GoodForAnother]

guys, wvu is not very good.  I keep saying this but no one listens.

 

Have played a crap schedule.  Agreed on the overrated part.

 

[MakeItRain]

You guys are setting up the meltdown by not giving these teams the proper due.  Did you see that game last night.  Washington was completely out manned by Stanford.  UW couldn't do a damn thing with the ball, yet they managed to find a way to win at home.  We're a damn good football but we are not good enough & our opponents aren't bad enough to start counting wins.  Alabama can, they are good and their schedule is awful.

see, this is what I was trying to get at.  like, right now, we just got over one of like 5 major hurdles.  and the "minor" hurdles aren't really that minor, save for ku.

we know the conference is tough, jesus christ...

Yeah, so like I was wondering if people thought we can reasonably expect to win based off what we’ve done.  But there appears to be others that don’t think that games like @ ISU are going to be dogfights.  And even TT @ home and OSU @ home will be tough.  The point or the question, is that we don’t have the talent to just mark it down and beating OU required us to execute probably better than we had (given the competition) and OU wetting itself.  So, was it a flash? A perfect storm of variables that went in our favor?  Or an reasonable expectation of performance?

The conference is hard, but everyone plays the same schedule, we are clearly the best team at this point, and we have already won what was by far the most difficult game on the schedule. 11-1 should be enough to win the conference outright and 10-2 will probably be good enough to share the title. If you asked "should we expect to win out and go to the national championship game?" I would say no. We should expect to win the Big 12, though. We have the best team and everyone else has the same schedule we do, plus they still have to play OU.

pretty much agree with this, the only departure for me is that beating OU doesn't change the likelihood of winning or losing the other tough games & the trap games.  OU was never thought to be that much better than everyone else.  I always looked at the top 4 teams in the conference as a toss them in a hat type of group.

[p1k3]

wait until everyone gets a couple conference games under their belt, then we can really know what to expect.

[The Manhatter]

So, is it reasonable to expect a conference championship this year?  Or is that still a whisper?   I mean, we executed probably as well as we could have hoped to against OU, coupled with OU just wetting the bed. We’ve looked good/above good against Miami and OU, but average/below average against MoSt and N Texas. 

Our remaining schedule seems ridiculously tough. 

So, is it reasonable to expect a conference championship this year?  Absolutely.  This is a very good football team.  It's a highly efficient and difficult offense to stop that will put points on the board.  An offense that also won't face a better front 7 on defense the rest of the way other than Texas (which is a home game).  It is a defense that starts 9 seniors, stubborn against the run, and has a good enough pass rushing set up front.  Special teams are going to be good.

Or is that still a whisper?  Only if the whisper is at a screaming volume.

Our remaining schedule seems ridiculously tough. - I'm no longer buying this notion.  TCU has a LOT of very young players it puts on the field.  West Virginia has a lot of weaknesses to exploit in their defense.  OSU is starting a not only a freshman at signal caller but the #2 freshman.  Iowa State struggles to move and score the ball.

Texas is the biggest challenge on the schedule remaining.  And they are going to be a b*tch to face because they are the one team that is getting great line play on both sides of the ball.

I will say this about your comment concerning we executed about as well as we could against OU.  I think we left a few plays on the field offensively.  I would say that OU played outstanding defensively in that game.  Sure, they left plays on the field offensively but they are not as consistent as we are on that side of the ball.

I'm not drinking kool-aid, people.  We have a very good team this year.

[8manpick]

We're going to play 8 of the top 30 or 35 teams this year, some at home, some on the road.  We already beat one of the best on the road.  To act like there is some huge gulf between OSU and TCU or Texas and West Virginia or TTech and Iowa State is speculative at best, and plain wrong at worst.

[MakeItRain]

So, is it reasonable to expect a conference championship this year?  Or is that still a whisper?   I mean, we executed probably as well as we could have hoped to against OU, coupled with OU just wetting the bed. We’ve looked good/above good against Miami and OU, but average/below average against MoSt and N Texas. 

Our remaining schedule seems ridiculously tough. 

So, is it reasonable to expect a conference championship this year?  Absolutely.  This is a very good football team.  It's a highly efficient and difficult offense to stop that will put points on the board.  An offense that also won't face a better front 7 on defense the rest of the way other than Texas (which is a home game).  It is a defense that starts 9 seniors, stubborn against the run, and has a good enough pass rushing set up front.  Special teams are going to be good.

Or is that still a whisper?  Only if the whisper is at a screaming volume.

Our remaining schedule seems ridiculously tough. - I'm no longer buying this notion.  TCU has a LOT of very young players it puts on the field.  West Virginia has a lot of weaknesses to exploit in their defense.  OSU is starting a not only a freshman at signal caller but the #2 freshman.  Iowa State struggles to move and score the ball.

Texas is the biggest challenge on the schedule remaining.  And they are going to be a b*tch to face because they are the one team that is getting great line play on both sides of the ball.

I will say this about your comment concerning we executed about as well as we could against OU.  I think we left a few plays on the field offensively.  I would say that OU played outstanding defensively in that game.  Sure, they left plays on the field offensively but they are not as consistent as we are on that side of the ball.

I'm not drinking kool-aid, people.  We have a very good team this year.

There are very good teams that don't win conference championships 'hatter, happens every year in good conferences.  Last season the Big 12, SEC, and Pac 12 had top 10 teams that didn't win their conference.  The national champion didn't win their division.  You can be a great team and not win a conference title.  Maybe we have different definitions of the word expect

[cas4ksu]

I don't think we executed as well as we could have against OU. Don't get me wrong, we played mistake free. But in terms of our best game, I don't think that was our ceiling. Just my opinion.

[Cartierfor3]

I really have faith this team could win all of them.  Seriously.  I'm not going to be at all surprised if Texas or WVU or even OSU gets us, but 10 win minimum is still my expectation, and as _Fan said, a 7-2 confy will most likely be enough for a share of the Dr. Pepper. 

I really don't see this team, with as disciplined as they play, losing to ISU, Tech, Baylor, or kansas.  I'm counting those as wins right now.  Not sure what TCU is. 

I expect to be Big XII champs (possibly shared)