Assistant Coaches

[steve dave]

When Bill went in the shitter his first go around we all thought it was because he lost all his more talented assistant coaches. Bill, Mike, Brent, Mark, Jim, etc. were all gone. He never repaced them with anyone worth a damn. Fast forward to today, we have Dimel back running the offense, he was at Wyoming and Houston about the time it fell apart. He had just come back but only as a GA. We have Hayes running the D. We have Dickey coaching the crap out of the OLine. We do have Smitty and a bunch of the oldest of the old balls back. But, do we have legitimate high level assistant coaches in the higher level positions again?

[scottwildcat]

high level? no.

Very very very decent? yes.

[Panjandrum]

When Bill went in the shitter his first go around we all thought it was because he lost all his more talented assistant coaches. Bill, Mike, Brent, Mark, Jim, etc. were all gone. He never repaced them with anyone worth a damn. Fast forward to today, we have Dimel back running the offense, he was at Wyoming and Houston about the time it fell apart. He had just come back but only as a GA. We have Hayes running the D. We have Dickey coaching the crap out of the OLine. We do have Smitty and a bunch of the oldest of the old balls back. But, do we have legitimate high level assistant coaches in the higher level positions again?

High level coaches?  Yes.

High level recruiters?  No.

I think the DoD staff was more balanced between those two values.  But this staff can most likely go toe-to-toe with them in regards to actual coaching.

[pissclams]

our special teams coach is uber balls

[Lefty]

Snyder+Del+Dimel= scheme masters

These guys together are an absolute goldmine of gameplanning and playcalling. Think about their transformation of a pass happy offense of Chad May and the success they had throwing the ball; and then look at how that transformed into today's offense.

These guys run an NFL type of program. They will not recruit worth a crap, but they will continually develop players through practice and game preparation.

Smith and Dickey are fantastic player developers as well. The WR's are really good at route running, but also downfield blocking. Smitty is coaching the crap out of these guys. Dickey is doing the same.

Defensively, I have no idea. It seems like our linebackers are very average (Arthur gets by on his talent) and our Dbacks are average too.

[ben ji]

The reason for Snyder's success the last two years after being average the 4 years before is pretty simple and has little to do with Assistant Coaches.

Snyder finally has a QB that he can build a offense around. Its a simple as that.


 

[Pete]

Every facet of our program in 2004 and 2005 was crap, apart from one running back in 2004, forget his name...

[catzacker]

I am still believe our coaches to be average (i.e. good at “coaching”, not as good at recruiting).  I really wish Bill would let them out more.  It would make a significant difference if they got more time to recruit.  IMO, we are not getting Daniel Sams away from slipping back to ‘04/05 (that is assuming #Life is who we think he is, and considering that the Big 12 now is much more difficult than the crappy version it was – specifically the North – in ‘04/05).  I’m also worried about our Defense as a whole for next year.  ‘04/05 occurred because we were awful at recruiting from basically ’01 forward (recruiting includes getting guys on campus).   

[The1BigWillie]

I think we can owe our recent success to the foundation set in place by one Ron Prince.  #legend

[POWL]

Snyder+Del+Dimel= scheme masters

These guys together are an absolute goldmine of gameplanning and playcalling. Think about their transformation of a pass happy offense of Chad May and the success they had throwing the ball; and then look at how that transformed into today's offense.

These guys run an NFL type of program. They will not recruit worth a crap, but they will continually develop players through practice and game preparation.

Smith and Dickey are fantastic player developers as well. The WR's are really good at route running, but also downfield blocking. Smitty is coaching the crap out of these guys. Dickey is doing the same.

Defensively, I have no idea. It seems like our linebackers are very average (Arthur gets by on his talent) and our Dbacks are average too.

and Bingo was his name-o

They ran a full blown spread offense with May.........4 and 5 wide, shotgun with standing TE ........the full blown package....this was 6 years before the rest of the landscape caught on

add to that the qb run game from 97 to 02 and now this single wing power game

they are just ahead their DC counterparts for going on 20 years now

it is incredible and makes me wanna   

[Skipper44]

Scoring points was not the biggest  issue for 04 and 05; I remember a quote from Gary Barnett once where he marveled at OB's ability to completely change from option oriented offense with Webb to the Air Dyls offense in the middle of a game. 

[kso_FAN]

From what I understand, a lot of the tweaks to the offense have come from Dimel. Snyder still oversees everything, but Dimel plays a pretty significant role in what we are doing, though I'm sure the others on staff have some input too.

[Skipper44]

From what I understand, a lot of the tweaks to the offense have come from Dimel. Snyder still oversees everything, but Dimel plays a pretty significant role in what we are doing, though I'm sure the others on staff have some input too.

Does Snyder still have the final say in playcalling?

['taterblast]

From what I understand, a lot of the tweaks to the offense have come from Dimel. Snyder still oversees everything, but Dimel plays a pretty significant role in what we are doing, though I'm sure the others on staff have some input too.

Does Snyder still have the final say in playcalling?

no

[Lefty]

From what I understand, a lot of the tweaks to the offense have come from Dimel. Snyder still oversees everything, but Dimel plays a pretty significant role in what we are doing, though I'm sure the others on staff have some input too.

Does Snyder still have the final say in playcalling?

no

It's my interpretation that Snyder puts full trust into what Del/Dimel see from above and rolls with it. But Snyder definitely has final say if he wants, he just doesn't do it as much as he used to.

['taterblast]

From what I understand, a lot of the tweaks to the offense have come from Dimel. Snyder still oversees everything, but Dimel plays a pretty significant role in what we are doing, though I'm sure the others on staff have some input too.

Does Snyder still have the final say in playcalling?

no

It's my interpretation that Snyder puts full trust into what Del/Dimel see from above and rolls with it. But Snyder definitely has final say if he wants, he just doesn't do it as much as he used to.

this is accurate

[Boom Roasted]

I think Klein has the final final say really.  Has been checking to other plays etc. quite a bit.  Plus he is first to touch the ball, so there's that...

['taterblast]

yeah i think klein being able to make checks has been a significant factor in our improvement this year. not having to look over at the signals removes a lot of uncertainty, not to mention time, that was a result of having to look over at the signal callers last year.

[Belvis Noland]

Take it FWIW, but Snyder attributes a lack of talent to the drop off in '04-'06. 

Said that following the '03 Championship they finally felt that they could get in the door with 4*-5* talent.  Well, they were getting in the door, but coming up as the 2nd or 3rd option for most of these guys.  All the while, they stopped doing those things on the recruiting trail that had worked in the past, i.e. scouting out sleepers, jucos, mid-high 3* guys, transfers, etc.

Again, take it FWIW.  But, it does seem like we've got about as much talent on this team as we had on many of the DOD teams.  I wouldn't be surprised if 7-8 guys on this team make NFL rosters next year. 

Klein, Harper, Brown, Malone, Tannahil, McDonald, Doerr, Brayden Wilson.  (probably slim chance for guys like Meshak, Adam Davis, Javonta Boyd ????)

[SabiNation]

-LowKSUCatsFootballCoachingStaffQuestion here-

Do both Dimel and Miller coach from the box?  Hayes?

[hemmy]

Fascinating discussion.

['taterblast]

-LowKSUCatsFootballCoachingStaffQuestion here-

Do both Dimel and Miller coach from the box?  Hayes?

dimel/miller both in box along with offensive GA. smith/dickey on the field.

cox (formerly cosh) in box along with defensive GA. hayes/clements/latimore on the field.

[Lefty]

-LowKSUCatsFootballCoachingStaffQuestion here-

Do both Dimel and Miller coach from the box?  Hayes?

Dimel/Del up in box. Smith and Dickey down on field

Joe Bob is on field. Don't know about Hayes/Cox/Mo

[wazucat]

Scoring points was not the biggest  issue for 04 and 05; I remember a quote from Gary Barnett once where he marveled at OB's ability to completely change from option oriented offense with Webb to the Air Dyls offense in the middle of a game.

Yes.  Look at the numbers and you have to say that defense, lack of talent, was what primarily  killed us, we were still scoring enough to win in 04-05.

[SabiNation]

Thanks emawblast, Lefty!