"Obamacare"

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

the disconnect is republicans thinking it's ok to make massive profits off of sick people.

Blame the government. They're the ones propping up the massive medical industry monopoly that will eventually be part of our collapse.

This. Doctors didn't start making massive cash until the government regulators and lawyers got their greedy hands into medicine and the insurance industry.

[kim carnes]

the disconnect is republicans thinking it's ok to make massive profits off of sick people.

Blame the government. They're the ones propping up the massive medical industry monopoly that will eventually be part of our collapse.

This. Doctors didn't start making massive cash until the government regulators and lawyers got their greedy hands into medicine and the insurance industry.

The average doctor makes like 200k/year.  Considering their level of education and training, that is nothing.  A petroleum engineer with 10 years of experience and a 4 year degree makes nearly the same amount.

[Rage Against the McKee]

the disconnect is republicans thinking it's ok to make massive profits off of sick people.

Blame the government. They're the ones propping up the massive medical industry monopoly that will eventually be part of our collapse.

This. Doctors didn't start making massive cash until the government regulators and lawyers got their greedy hands into medicine and the insurance industry.

The average doctor makes like 200k/year.  Considering their level of education and training, that is nothing.  A petroleum engineer with 10 years of experience and a 4 year degree makes nearly the same amount.

The petroleum engineer has a much more demanding job.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

the disconnect is republicans thinking it's ok to make massive profits off of sick people.

Blame the government. They're the ones propping up the massive medical industry monopoly that will eventually be part of our collapse.

This. Doctors didn't start making massive cash until the government regulators and lawyers got their greedy hands into medicine and the insurance industry.

The average doctor makes like 200k/year.  Considering their level of education and training, that is nothing.  A petroleum engineer with 10 years of experience and a 4 year degree makes nearly the same amount.

Primary care doctors bring the average down. Specialists make the big money and comprise more than 70% of the total doctors. I'm not in favor of doctors making less, but I am in favor of bringing down the cost of doing business for the entire medical industry, and that means limits on malpractice compensation. This should have been done before, or at least included within, obamacare.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Doctors should make what a free market will pay. Unfortunately, we have not had a free market medical system since WW2, and doctor pay is several times higher than it would be without the government propping them up.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Odd, a whole bunch of insurers are canceling policies due to ObamaCare. I guess they're all reading "the law" wrong. Chum should explain to them that all these mandates actually took effect years ago.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/10/18/205847/for-thousands-keeping-your-old.html

Good catch.  That's one of many inaccuracies in that misleading article.

I know, right? Where do they keep finding all these liars who claim to have sent/received cancellation notices? Probably a bunch of Republican activists.

Policies get cancelled every year for a variety of business related reasons.  One thing we should definitely do, though, is expect that the people talking about this are citing the correct reasons and not just confused.  Much like the people on this board, they wouldn't talk about something if they didn't truly know what they were talking about.

I couldn't agree more. Clearly, the people who are receiving the cancellation letters are just dumbasses. But all the insurance people who are claiming Obamacare is the reason for the cancellations.... why are they lying?! I guess because they're evil, but it's still sad, you know? Shouldn't you pen a few op-eds to set the record straight? Somebody's gotta stand up for the truth!

[The Big Train]

Odd, a whole bunch of insurers are canceling policies due to ObamaCare. I guess they're all reading "the law" wrong. Chum should explain to them that all these mandates actually took effect years ago.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/10/18/205847/for-thousands-keeping-your-old.html

Good catch.  That's one of many inaccuracies in that misleading article.

I know, right? Where do they keep finding all these liars who claim to have sent/received cancellation notices? Probably a bunch of Republican activists.

Policies get cancelled every year for a variety of business related reasons.  One thing we should definitely do, though, is expect that the people talking about this are citing the correct reasons and not just confused.  Much like the people on this board, they wouldn't talk about something if they didn't truly know what they were talking about.

I couldn't agree more. Clearly, the people who are receiving the cancellation letters are just dumbasses. But all the insurance people who are claiming Obamacare is the reason for the cancellations.... why are they lying?! I guess because they're evil, but it's still sad, you know? Shouldn't you pen a few op-eds to set the record straight? Somebody's gotta stand up for the truth!

Don't know if serious but, all those companies are pulling out of the states because don't want the added exposure for guaranteed issue plans.  After all its still a business too, and adding all these pre-existing conditions to the pool takes more out of the pool.  That's why alot are switching to more set payouts in the event of a claim, so they know how much would be paid out max.  Less risk.

[star seed 7]

   

big surprise that the guy who sells insurance doesn't want insurance to go away.

[star seed 7]

the disconnect is republicans thinking it's ok to make massive profits off of sick people.

Blame the government. They're the ones propping up the massive medical industry monopoly that will eventually be part of our collapse.

This. Doctors didn't start making massive cash until the government regulators and lawyers got their greedy hands into medicine and the insurance industry.

lol if you think doctor salaries have hardly anything to do the huge cost of healthcare.

hey, guess we should cut the pay of soldiers because the military costs so much!

[Rage Against the McKee]

I support cutting pay and benefits of new enlistees. We need to get the number of volunteers down so that our defense budget can get to some reasonable level.

[The Big Train]

   

big surprise that the guy who sells insurance doesn't want insurance to go away.

I never said that, just at your idea that would never work well.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Odd, a whole bunch of insurers are canceling policies due to ObamaCare. I guess they're all reading "the law" wrong. Chum should explain to them that all these mandates actually took effect years ago.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/10/18/205847/for-thousands-keeping-your-old.html

Good catch.  That's one of many inaccuracies in that misleading article.

I know, right? Where do they keep finding all these liars who claim to have sent/received cancellation notices? Probably a bunch of Republican activists.

Policies get cancelled every year for a variety of business related reasons.  One thing we should definitely do, though, is expect that the people talking about this are citing the correct reasons and not just confused.  Much like the people on this board, they wouldn't talk about something if they didn't truly know what they were talking about.

I couldn't agree more. Clearly, the people who are receiving the cancellation letters are just dumbasses. But all the insurance people who are claiming Obamacare is the reason for the cancellations.... why are they lying?! I guess because they're evil, but it's still sad, you know? Shouldn't you pen a few op-eds to set the record straight? Somebody's gotta stand up for the truth!

Don't know if serious but, all those companies are pulling out of the states because don't want the added exposure for guaranteed issue plans.  After all its still a business too, and adding all these pre-existing conditions to the pool takes more out of the pool.  That's why alot are switching to more set payouts in the event of a claim, so they know how much would be paid out max.  Less risk.

Yeah, just kidding around with Chum. He's got it in his head that the coverage mandates at issue actually went into effect a couple years ago, so they therefore cannot be responsible for all the cancelled insurance policies beginning 1/1/14, despite all these articles quoting insurance professionals explaining that that's exactly the reason for the cancellations. I suspect Chum's only half-serious at this point, anyway.

[chum1]

Odd, a whole bunch of insurers are canceling policies due to ObamaCare. I guess they're all reading "the law" wrong. Chum should explain to them that all these mandates actually took effect years ago.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/10/18/205847/for-thousands-keeping-your-old.html

Good catch.  That's one of many inaccuracies in that misleading article.

I know, right? Where do they keep finding all these liars who claim to have sent/received cancellation notices? Probably a bunch of Republican activists.

Policies get cancelled every year for a variety of business related reasons.  One thing we should definitely do, though, is expect that the people talking about this are citing the correct reasons and not just confused.  Much like the people on this board, they wouldn't talk about something if they didn't truly know what they were talking about.

I couldn't agree more. Clearly, the people who are receiving the cancellation letters are just dumbasses. But all the insurance people who are claiming Obamacare is the reason for the cancellations.... why are they lying?! I guess because they're evil, but it's still sad, you know? Shouldn't you pen a few op-eds to set the record straight? Somebody's gotta stand up for the truth!

I just said lots of people are confused.  Why do you think policyholders are dumbasses and insurance people are liars?

[star seed 7]

I support cutting pay and benefits of new enlistees. We need to get the number of volunteers down so that our defense budget can get to some reasonable level.

i'm the exact opposite.  we should take any volunteer that qualifies (mentally, physically, etc.).

[The Big Train]

Odd, a whole bunch of insurers are canceling policies due to ObamaCare. I guess they're all reading "the law" wrong. Chum should explain to them that all these mandates actually took effect years ago.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/10/18/205847/for-thousands-keeping-your-old.html

Good catch.  That's one of many inaccuracies in that misleading article.

I know, right? Where do they keep finding all these liars who claim to have sent/received cancellation notices? Probably a bunch of Republican activists.

Policies get cancelled every year for a variety of business related reasons.  One thing we should definitely do, though, is expect that the people talking about this are citing the correct reasons and not just confused.  Much like the people on this board, they wouldn't talk about something if they didn't truly know what they were talking about.

I couldn't agree more. Clearly, the people who are receiving the cancellation letters are just dumbasses. But all the insurance people who are claiming Obamacare is the reason for the cancellations.... why are they lying?! I guess because they're evil, but it's still sad, you know? Shouldn't you pen a few op-eds to set the record straight? Somebody's gotta stand up for the truth!

I just said lots of people are confused.  Why do you think policyholders are dumbasses and insurance people are liars?

Slow your roll.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I support cutting pay and benefits of new enlistees. We need to get the number of volunteers down so that our defense budget can get to some reasonable level.

i'm the exact opposite.  we should take any volunteer that qualifies (mentally, physically, etc.).

I think this is good policy when we are at war, but when we are at peace, we need to be more selective. The military does open a lot of doors for poor people, and we should be mindful of that, but at some point, our defense spending has to be addressed. Just being at peace and keeping our soldiers home would make a big dent in spending (we spend $850,000 per year per soldier deployed in Afghanistan), even if we maintain current troop levels, but why do we need so many soldiers if we aren't using them?

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/28/one-soldier-one-year-850000-and-rising/

[kim carnes]

the disconnect is republicans thinking it's ok to make massive profits off of sick people.

Blame the government. They're the ones propping up the massive medical industry monopoly that will eventually be part of our collapse.

This. Doctors didn't start making massive cash until the government regulators and lawyers got their greedy hands into medicine and the insurance industry.

The average doctor makes like 200k/year.  Considering their level of education and training, that is nothing.  A petroleum engineer with 10 years of experience and a 4 year degree makes nearly the same amount.

The petroleum engineer has a much more demanding job.

No.  Not even close.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

If we could just kill 50-100 million people, a lot of this country's problems would go away.

[Rage Against the McKee]

the disconnect is republicans thinking it's ok to make massive profits off of sick people.

Blame the government. They're the ones propping up the massive medical industry monopoly that will eventually be part of our collapse.

This. Doctors didn't start making massive cash until the government regulators and lawyers got their greedy hands into medicine and the insurance industry.

The average doctor makes like 200k/year.  Considering their level of education and training, that is nothing.  A petroleum engineer with 10 years of experience and a 4 year degree makes nearly the same amount.

The petroleum engineer has a much more demanding job.

No.  Not even close.

If petroleum engineering were a more desirable job than being a doctor, there wouldn't be more doctors than petroleum engineers.

[kim carnes]

the disconnect is republicans thinking it's ok to make massive profits off of sick people.

Blame the government. They're the ones propping up the massive medical industry monopoly that will eventually be part of our collapse.

This. Doctors didn't start making massive cash until the government regulators and lawyers got their greedy hands into medicine and the insurance industry.

The average doctor makes like 200k/year.  Considering their level of education and training, that is nothing.  A petroleum engineer with 10 years of experience and a 4 year degree makes nearly the same amount.

The petroleum engineer has a much more demanding job.

No.  Not even close.

If petroleum engineering were a more desirable job than being a doctor, there wouldn't be more doctors than petroleum engineers.

You're not a very intelligent person.   The amount of jobs available in a profession is dictated by demand.

[Rage Against the McKee]

the disconnect is republicans thinking it's ok to make massive profits off of sick people.

Blame the government. They're the ones propping up the massive medical industry monopoly that will eventually be part of our collapse.

This. Doctors didn't start making massive cash until the government regulators and lawyers got their greedy hands into medicine and the insurance industry.

The average doctor makes like 200k/year.  Considering their level of education and training, that is nothing.  A petroleum engineer with 10 years of experience and a 4 year degree makes nearly the same amount.

The petroleum engineer has a much more demanding job.

No.  Not even close.

If petroleum engineering were a more desirable job than being a doctor, there wouldn't be more doctors than petroleum engineers.

You're not a very intelligent person.   The amount of jobs available in a profession is dictated by demand.

Yes, and when supply can't meet demand, you have petroleum engineers making upwards of $200k.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Odd, a whole bunch of insurers are canceling policies due to ObamaCare. I guess they're all reading "the law" wrong. Chum should explain to them that all these mandates actually took effect years ago.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/10/18/205847/for-thousands-keeping-your-old.html

Good catch.  That's one of many inaccuracies in that misleading article.

I know, right? Where do they keep finding all these liars who claim to have sent/received cancellation notices? Probably a bunch of Republican activists.

Policies get cancelled every year for a variety of business related reasons.  One thing we should definitely do, though, is expect that the people talking about this are citing the correct reasons and not just confused.  Much like the people on this board, they wouldn't talk about something if they didn't truly know what they were talking about.

I couldn't agree more. Clearly, the people who are receiving the cancellation letters are just dumbasses. But all the insurance people who are claiming Obamacare is the reason for the cancellations.... why are they lying?! I guess because they're evil, but it's still sad, you know? Shouldn't you pen a few op-eds to set the record straight? Somebody's gotta stand up for the truth!

I just said lots of people are confused.  Why do you think policyholders are dumbasses and insurance people are liars?

You're right, all these insurance professionals quoted in the articles are just "confused." You know better, Chum. 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

the disconnect is republicans thinking it's ok to make massive profits off of sick people.

Blame the government. They're the ones propping up the massive medical industry monopoly that will eventually be part of our collapse.

This. Doctors didn't start making massive cash until the government regulators and lawyers got their greedy hands into medicine and the insurance industry.

lol if you think doctor salaries have hardly anything to do the huge cost of healthcare.

hey, guess we should cut the pay of soldiers because the military costs so much!

Doctors salaries are high because the cost of malpractice insurance is astronomical. Its hilarious that in obamacare's 2500 pages there is no limits put on malpractice compensation. That's what happens when ambulance chasers write the law. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

the disconnect is republicans thinking it's ok to make massive profits off of sick people.

Blame the government. They're the ones propping up the massive medical industry monopoly that will eventually be part of our collapse.

This. Doctors didn't start making massive cash until the government regulators and lawyers got their greedy hands into medicine and the insurance industry.

lol if you think doctor salaries have hardly anything to do the huge cost of healthcare.

hey, guess we should cut the pay of soldiers because the military costs so much!

Doctors salaries are high because the cost of malpractice insurance is astronomical. Its hilarious that in obamacare's 2500 pages there is no limits put on malpractice compensation. That's what happens when ambulance chasers write the law.

Their salaries are high because they are in high demand, and the AMA does everything in its power to see that we don't get expansion of medical schools to meet that demand. Plus, insurance allows people to just pay whatever the doctor asks without batting an eye. They don't even know what the actual cost of their procedure was in most cases.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

the disconnect is republicans thinking it's ok to make massive profits off of sick people.

Blame the government. They're the ones propping up the massive medical industry monopoly that will eventually be part of our collapse.

This. Doctors didn't start making massive cash until the government regulators and lawyers got their greedy hands into medicine and the insurance industry.

lol if you think doctor salaries have hardly anything to do the huge cost of healthcare.

hey, guess we should cut the pay of soldiers because the military costs so much!

Doctors salaries are high because the cost of malpractice insurance is astronomical. Its hilarious that in obamacare's 2500 pages there is no limits put on malpractice compensation. That's what happens when ambulance chasers write the law.

Their salaries are high because they are in high demand, and the AMA does everything in its power to see that we don't get expansion of medical schools to meet that demand. Plus, insurance allows people to just pay whatever the doctor asks without batting an eye. They don't even know what the actual cost of their procedure was in most cases.

How does the AMA do this school limiting thing?