Author Topic: "Obamacare" (Read 317822 times)

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #2475 on:** July 27, 2016, 07:12:24 PM »

In obamacare fantasy land having health coverage with a $7000 deductible and 60% copay is the same thing as a $500 deductible and 80% copay. And they dont mind paying a little more for substantially less insurance.

chum1 · « **Reply #2476 on:** July 27, 2016, 07:18:01 PM »

High deductible health plans started in the 90s.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #2477 on:** July 27, 2016, 07:27:51 PM »

And now a bunch of poor people who can't afford the deductible own them. #thinkprogress

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #2478 on:** July 27, 2016, 08:33:29 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on July 27, 2016, 06:08:17 PM

Quote from: Emo EMAW on July 27, 2016, 02:37:07 PM
I think the problem is that health care rates are outpacing wages and inflation.

Certainly didn't happen pre Obama Care.

And Obamacare was promised to change that.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #2479 on:** July 27, 2016, 10:56:37 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on July 27, 2016, 11:51:19 AM

Has anyone on here actually had any change in their coverage? I have had literally ZERO change in anything.

I have seen a pretty steep drop in coverage the last three years of Obamacare. The first year we were on a co-op that did some pretty wild crap like giving you three free office visits, no matter the specialist. They also gave every single member who got a checkup and did an online health survey a $100 visa gift card. Remember the checkup was free. Well that co-op went bankrupt after a year. Iowa's exchange was pretty much left with BC/BS and UHC. My wife and I went our separate ways on insurance both offering what our employers offered, BCBS for her UHC for me. Her plan has stayed the same the last two years, my plan has gotten slightly worse and more expensive. I can't even get a rough ridin' shingles vaccine until I'm 55. I had to pay for a flu vaccine because I had the nerve to go somewhere other than Walgreens.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #2480 on:** August 06, 2016, 03:29:29 PM »

https://www.google.com/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/obamacare-death-spiral-update-1470436014

Institutional Control · « **Reply #2481 on:** August 06, 2016, 07:11:59 PM »

My employer doesn't even offer insurance. Thanks Obama.

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steve dave · « **Reply #2482 on:** August 06, 2016, 07:26:28 PM »

sd parents don't have to offer insurance but they do. sddad has had an employee die on the job (I was too young to remember this) and one get most of his hand chopped off. pretty sickening. cow farming is a tough gig.

CNS · « **Reply #2483 on:** August 16, 2016, 11:12:47 AM »

Aetna projecting a "mid-single digit" loss on it's biz through the exchange. Dropping out of Obamacare.

renocat · « **Reply #2484 on:** August 19, 2016, 06:56:36 AM »

Comrades at the United Socialist Peoples Healthcare and.Societal Norms.Control Agency said everything is fine. So good in fact the Supreme Commander is golfing with his family even though they are not covered by the People's Insurance.

CNS · « **Reply #2485 on:** August 19, 2016, 09:40:52 AM »

To be fair, Aetna is threatening to pull out unless the govt approves their merger with Humanna. It's more of a threat than a biz move, it seems.

bucket · « **Reply #2486 on:** August 19, 2016, 03:49:33 PM »

SOURCE: Kaiser/HRET Survey of Employer-Sponsored Health Benefits, 1999-2015 Average Annual Premium Increases for Family Coverage, 1999-2015.

renocat · « **Reply #2487 on:** August 19, 2016, 06:56:35 PM »

The Peoples Insuance Agency will be raising its Silver Moa plans by 23%.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #2488 on:** August 23, 2016, 01:04:46 PM »

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Pinal County, Arizona, right next to Phoenix, was founded in 1875 and is home to roughly 400,000 people.

It's also the county that Obamacare forgot.

After Aetna's announcement that it will roll back 70% of its offerings in public exchanges, Pinal County appears to be the only county in the US with a public exchange but zero insurers offering Affordable Care Act plans in 2017.

http://www.businessinsider.com/pinal-county-arizona-has-no-obamacare-insurers-2016-8

MakeItRain · « **Reply #2489 on:** August 25, 2016, 08:58:58 AM »

This Mylan controversy hits right in the heart of the ultimate falling of the ACA. They are charging insurance companies over $1200 for a two pack of this medication that costs just over $100 in Canada. The ACA did absolutely nothing to control prices and without that, what's the point?

I wonder what Joe Manchin will say to his democrat colleagues since his daughter blamed Obamacare for this price hike while her salary increased 600%? This woman Heather Bresch is quite fascinating, it looks like her dad used his influence to get his daughter an MBA from Coal Aggy and she has turned Mylan into tax dodgers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2016/08/23/ceo-of-mylan-pharmaceuticals-sees-671-salary-increase-in-8-years/#2c0d2b744b23

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #2490 on:** August 25, 2016, 09:42:49 AM »

Blaming business for exploiting the failures of government is pretty stupid.

It's right up there with calling someone who opposes corporate welfare a hypocrite for preparing their tax return in compliance with the law.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #2491 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:36:59 PM »

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 25, 2016, 09:42:49 AM

Blaming business for exploiting the failures of government is pretty stupid.

It's right up there with calling someone who opposes corporate welfare a hypocrite for preparing their tax return in compliance with the law.

Are you conceding that I'm blaming Mylan for the ACA not having price controls? I didn't even hint at that. I'll blame Mylan for greedily increasing their profits by 600% by placing citizens in direct danger of death. I'll blame Mylan for fleecing insurance companies who will in turn pass that cost on to all of us. I'll blame Mylan for being tax dodgers. What do you want the government to do to make them pay their taxes?

CNS · « **Reply #2492 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:48:42 PM »

No, he is obviously saying that setting regulations on businesses is bad and hurts biz and that the free market will figure it all out.

sys · « **Reply #2493 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:56:10 PM »

the mylan ceo should prolly be fired (for stupidity, not for ethical reasons), but there really is no argument to be made that this isn't the ultimately the fault of regulation. the fda created an artificial monopoly that allowed mylan to charge an insane price for a very basic and inexpensive drug/delivery device combination.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #2494 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:59:33 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on August 25, 2016, 02:36:59 PM

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 25, 2016, 09:42:49 AM
Blaming business for exploiting the failures of government is pretty stupid.

It's right up there with calling someone who opposes corporate welfare a hypocrite for preparing their tax return in compliance with the law.

Are you conceding that I'm blaming Mylan for the ACA not having price controls? I didn't even hint at that. I'll blame Mylan for greedily increasing their profits by 600% by placing citizens in direct danger of death. I'll blame Mylan for fleecing insurance companies who will in turn pass that cost on to all of us. I'll blame Mylan for being tax dodgers. What do you want the government to do to make them pay their taxes?

How did they place them in direct danger of death? They still have the epipens, albeit at an increase in cost.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #2495 on:** August 25, 2016, 03:11:47 PM »

Obama sold out to big pharma, that was discussed at length at the time.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #2496 on:** August 25, 2016, 03:18:20 PM »

Quote from: Emo EMAW on August 25, 2016, 02:59:33 PM

Quote from: MakeItRain on August 25, 2016, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 25, 2016, 09:42:49 AM
Blaming business for exploiting the failures of government is pretty stupid.

It's right up there with calling someone who opposes corporate welfare a hypocrite for preparing their tax return in compliance with the law.

Are you conceding that I'm blaming Mylan for the ACA not having price controls? I didn't even hint at that. I'll blame Mylan for greedily increasing their profits by 600% by placing citizens in direct danger of death. I'll blame Mylan for fleecing insurance companies who will in turn pass that cost on to all of us. I'll blame Mylan for being tax dodgers. What do you want the government to do to make them pay their taxes?

How did they place them in direct danger of death? They still have the epipens, albeit at an increase in cost.

People can't afford them, emo. We have a kid here who has a expired one because she can't afford a new one. Also several businesses like mine, used to have them on hand but we can't afford them anymore. I had an ex girlfriend who had her life saved because of an epipen and she didn't even know she had a life threatening allergy. She got stung by an insect and went into anaphylaxis, we happened to have an epipen because those are good to have and it slowed the effect of her anaphylaxis until the ambulance got there. She did code in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, but they were able to revive her. Without that epipen she almost certainly would have died before the ambulance came.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #2497 on:** August 25, 2016, 03:29:09 PM »

They can afford them.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #2498 on:** August 25, 2016, 03:34:04 PM »

Oh, okay. LOL.

CNS · « **Reply #2499 on:** August 25, 2016, 03:36:59 PM »

Don't those things expire in like 3 months?